Thai Spice Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, forcebwithu said: ^^^ That's what an AQI index of 156 looks like. Another nail in the coffin. People from the West don't go on holiday to face extreme polution. Specially not in a beach ressort. Except the ones coming from even more polluted places like Chinese or Indian cities.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CampariO Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) Still better than in Melbourne yesterday.... Edited January 7, 2020 by CampariO 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryL Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 minute ago, CampariO said: Still better than in Melbourne yesterday.... wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Thai Spice said: Another nail in the coffin. People from the West don't go on holiday to face extreme polution. Specially not in a beach ressort. Except the ones coming from even more polluted places like Chinese or Indian cities.... This is far from extreme. I think the pic @CampariO posted is a good example of what extreme looks like. It's only when you look at an object in the distance that you would notice the haze in the air. Now if you're here for heavy sports activities it would be a different matter, but for chasing LBFM, eating and shopping the pollution isn't going to have any effect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazle Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, CampariO said: Still better than in Melbourne yesterday.... There were pictures on TV news (here in the UK) of Canberra yesterday, and I think it might have been worse there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazle Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, forcebwithu said: ... for chasing LBFM, eating and shopping the pollution isn't going to have any effect. Perhaps no IMMEDIATE effect but what about the long term damage it is doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryL Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 22 minutes ago, Bazle said: Perhaps no IMMEDIATE effect but what about the long term damage it is doing? eventualy catch lbfm, marriage, lose house, hate thailand. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 30 minutes ago, Bazle said: Perhaps no IMMEDIATE effect but what about the long term damage it is doing? Definitely there is concern for us living here about the longer term damage it's doing to us, but the post I was replying to was about people not choosing to come here on holiday because of the pollution. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, forcebwithu said: This is far from extreme. I think the pic @CampariO posted is a good example of what extreme looks like. It's only when you look at an object in the distance that you would notice the haze in the air. Now if you're here for heavy sports activities it would be a different matter, but for chasing LBFM, eating and shopping the pollution isn't going to have any effect. 21 minutes ago, forcebwithu said: Definitely there is concern for us living here about the longer term damage it's doing to us, but the post I was replying to was about people not choosing to come here on holiday because of the pollution. My point was on Thailand trying to attract "good tourist", not drinking mongerering whorechasers. The "family tourist" will not go to a poluted place... I mean, would YOU expose your kids to that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krapow Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 45 minutes ago, Thai Spice said: My point was on Thailand trying to attract "good tourist", not drinking mongerering whorechasers. The "family tourist" will not go to a poluted place... I mean, would YOU expose your kids to that ? I think the family tourists will be moreso other places than Pattaya though, islands etc. Maybe even Chiang Mai, which if not clued up about time of year, could be even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esco Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 46 minutes ago, Thai Spice said: My point was on Thailand trying to attract "good tourist", not drinking mongerering whorechasers. The "family tourist" will not go to a poluted place... I mean, would YOU expose your kids to that ? This hardly gets reported anywhere outside of Thailand and most tourists won't even notice. I spent 5 days in Jomtien and didnt notice a thing myself. Bright blue skies up in Isaan by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 22 minutes ago, Krapow said: I think the family tourists will be moreso other places than Pattaya though, islands etc. Maybe even Chiang Mai, which if not clued up about time of year, could be even worse. C.M. has the burning problem, I know. Same as some areas of Indonesia, mainly Sumatra and Kalimantan (on Borneo island). The winds blows it to SGP as well. Lucky nothing in Bali. 21 minutes ago, Esco said: This hardly gets reported anywhere outside of Thailand and most tourists won't even notice. I spent 5 days in Jomtien and didnt notice a thing myself. Bright blue skies up in Isaan by the way. Nothing better than the air (and the smell) of the countryside ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john luke Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 View out to sea from area near Naklua Market. No post processing on photographs at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john luke Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) One can hardly make out the Pattaya City Sign from Mikes Mall. Looking the other way, with the sun behind you it is a little better. Edited January 9, 2020 by john luke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazle Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 It looks at least as bad as last year from those pics. Another reason why rain is desperately required - but I guess it'll be a long time coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esco Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 I've downloaded a handy app called AirVisual to see the air quality in your location. It's ok here for now but bad at night because of all the sugar cane burning that's going on. During dinner two days loads of "black snow" came down here. Pattaya looks as bad as Bangkok.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 What's great about the pollution app is it gives the general public an avenue to information about how bad the pollution really is. The cynic in me believes if it wasn't for easy access to the real AQI numbers, the Thai govt would be telling everyone move along, nothing to see, there is no pollution problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, forcebwithu said: What's great about the pollution app is it gives the general public an avenue to information about how bad the pollution really is. The cynic in me believes if it wasn't for easy access to the real AQI numbers, the Thai govt would be telling everyone move along, nothing to see, there is no pollution problem. Question is where does the app gets the data / info from ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Thai Spice said: Question is where does the app gets the data / info from ? Realtime feed of the raw data from monitoring stations around Thailand. The key is it's the raw data so the numbers are not fudged. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esco Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 51 minutes ago, Thai Spice said: Question is where does the app gets the data / info from ? Many stations collecting this data all across Thailand and the rest of the world. Last year you had to get the readings from a Thai gov website who showed the readings of key places across the country, this app simply consolidates all those readings in one handy place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWA Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Same app as above showing HCMC a few days ago. There was another page showing the world rankings with HCMC 7th at that time. What surprised me was a couple of Eastern Europe places in the top ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 16 minutes ago, Esco said: Many stations collecting this data all across Thailand and the rest of the world. Last year you had to get the readings from a Thai gov website who showed the readings of key places across the country, this app simply consolidates all those readings in one handy place. IIRC, the Thai govt was using PM10 for reporting AQI numbers, rather than the more damaging PM2.5. Thus the numbers didn't seem as bad when compared to other countries reporting their PM2.5 numbers. Once the slight of hand was revealed they now use PM2.5. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, KWA said: Same app as above showing HCMC a few days ago. There was another page showing the world rankings with HCMC 7th at that time. What surprised me was a couple of Eastern Europe places in the top ten. Bloody hell, thats bad ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, forcebwithu said: Realtime feed of the raw data from monitoring stations around Thailand. The key is it's the raw data so the numbers are not fudged. 20 minutes ago, Esco said: Many stations collecting this data all across Thailand and the rest of the world. Last year you had to get the readings from a Thai gov website who showed the readings of key places across the country, this app simply consolidates all those readings in one handy place. I recently watched a docu on D.W. on the subject. And one of the key subjects was the location of all those sensors. An example was one located at street level, 50 m from a traffic light in centre of town. That one will always give exagerated bad readings, as it is a place where cars accelerate and polute the most. Of course the opposite would be one in the middle of a parc. So, for sure to have a fair "view" a strategic location of all those sensors is important ? And will influence the results ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Thai Spice said: Question is where does the app gets the data / info from ? 3 hours ago, forcebwithu said: Realtime feed of the raw data from monitoring stations around Thailand. The key is it's the raw data so the numbers are not fudged. From people who have bought air quality monitors. Questions arise like the quality of the monitor when was it last calibrated where is it situated (in the house) the number of contributors to a locations reading https://www.techhive.com/article/3356448/best-indoor-air-quality-monitor.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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