Murchie Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 20 hours ago, forcebwithu said: ^^^ In the article you linked to, this disturbing video. Is Scotland now a police state where police can enter homes without a warrant. Police officers are legally allowed to enter Britons' homes if 'that person reasonably suspects that an offence under regulation 5(1) is taking place on the premises,' according to legislation. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9123839/Coronavirus-Scotland-Three-people-charged-assaulting-police.html?adobe_mc=TS%3D1610270692|MCAID%3D2EB7327E053122C6-60000109A0000D2C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) Well today I decided that even Soi Bukow has now joined in with the rest of the city in having that deserted/ desolate look.... What worries me is we are way ahead of last year as far as business desperation goes.........Last year people started only talking about the China virus about January 20th...And nothing even closed till March....Look where we are and its only January 10th......We have 4 or 5 months to go till the Northern Summer months.... Edited January 10, 2021 by fforest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Bazle said: We can do no more than guess. My guess would be second quarter 2022. Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esco Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 11 hours ago, fforest said: Well today I decided that even Soi Bukow has now joined in with the rest of the city in having that deserted/ desolate look.... What worries me is we are way ahead of last year as far as business desperation goes.........Last year people started only talking about the China virus about January 20th...And nothing even closed till March....Look where we are and its only January 10th......We have 4 or 5 months to go till the Northern Summer months.... Which northern summer months are you referring to? It could be 40 degrees in Europe with everyone vaccinated, but as long as Thais aren't all vaccinated forget about tourism returning here. Hopefully local tourism will be allowed again soon although that won't save central Pattaya I'm afraid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Esco said: Which northern summer months are you referring to? Countries north of the equator have summer and winter opposite of countries south of the equator....So the mass lockdowns are working in reverse too....Winter=lockdown Summer=relax lockdown... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esco Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, fforest said: Countries north of the equator have summer and winter opposite of countries south of the equator....So the mass lockdowns are working in reverse too....Winter=lockdown Summer=relax lockdown... Could be but it won't change a thing here. The Thais are not going to let people in en mass just because they've relaxed the lockdowns in Europe and the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Esco said: Could be but it won't change a thing here. The Thais are not going to let people in en mass just because they've relaxed the lockdowns in Europe and the US. I don't care about mass tourism......I just want to be able to take a swim in our condos pool, and use the gym.....Its all locked up tighter than Fort Knox right now... Edited January 11, 2021 by fforest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code_slayer_bkk Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) On 1/9/2021 at 7:42 PM, forcebwithu said: ^^^ In the article you linked to, this disturbing video. Is Scotland now a police state where police can enter homes without a warrant. Cuomo the Governor of NY has a bill that he is proposing that if you are suspected of carrying the china virus they can pull you out of your home and detain you in a "facility" they ( the NY government ) deem suitable ... Kinda like the Nazi internment camps .... Edited January 11, 2021 by code_slayer_bkk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 22 hours ago, Scotty said: It was still 1900 baht on Thursday doing it in person, is it the agent increasing the fee ? Ask yourself who the Agent has to pay then it becomes clearer where the increase has come from. 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 26 minutes ago, code_slayer_bkk said: Cuomo the Governor of NY has a bill that he is proposing that if you are suspected of carrying the china virus they can pull you out of your home and detain you in a "facility" they ( the NY government ) deem suitable ... Kinda like the Nazi internment camps .... Wonder if the same would apply to Cuomo if he were suspected of being infected. Too often our elected officials are keen on passing laws that they conveniently exclude themselves from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 23 hours ago, fforest said: The one and only business I see doing better in the last year in Pattaya is food delivery....For a while 7-11 employment had increased because of the need for the dumb temp head zappers....But now they have been replaced by the do-it-yourself temp hand zappers...That most people ignore... I ignore the contact sheets with the tele numbers but I always stick my hand over the temp zapper because I can immediately see the result. More than once in the past I took to task the living robot with the hand gun not looking at the result of taking my temperature and therefore not telling it to me. I know temperature is not an infallible indicator but I kind of find it reassuring when it ranges between 36.0 - 36.3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Jambo said: Ask yourself who the Agent has to pay then it becomes clearer where the increase has come from. 🤣 I’d guess it’s 50/50 split on the increase 🙃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esco Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Today 0 new cases reported for Banglamung. The 18 cases in Sri Racha are linked to a local brewery. There's a press conference scheduled in 15 mins by the governor of Chonburi. Fingers crossed it will contain some good news. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esco Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 hours ago, fforest said: I don't care about mass tourism......I just want to be able to take a swim in our condos pool, and use the gym.....Its all locked up tighter than Fort Knox right now... And how does that relate to summer in the northern hemisphere lol. What we need is infections under control locally, and we appear to be heading that way as per previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code_slayer_bkk Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 3 hours ago, forcebwithu said: Wonder if the same would apply to Cuomo if he were suspected of being infected. Too often our elected officials are keen on passing laws that they conveniently exclude themselves from. Nope ... they are the "ruling" class now with the introduction of a virus ... we have conveniently become surfs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code_slayer_bkk Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) Nothing kills Iggy ! Edited January 11, 2021 by code_slayer_bkk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, code_slayer_bkk said: Nothing kills Iggy ! Tony can't say the same... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 21 hours ago, Scotty said: I’d guess it’s 50/50 split on the increase 🙃 Guess again. 🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcharliemofo Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Piss poor photos as I took stills from irovers webcam. 19.40 and LK is totally dead. There's got to be more casualties if or when this shite blows over. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esco Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 35 minutes ago, mrcharliemofo said: Piss poor photos as I took stills from irovers webcam. 19.40 and LK is totally dead. There's got to be more casualties if or when this shite blows over. No better time to buy a bar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Esco said: No better time to buy a bar. Normally yes.....But we are only one year into operation shit show, no telling what extremes they want to take things... Edited January 14, 2021 by fforest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfc2007 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 9 hours ago, Esco said: No better time to buy a bar. Especially if you can negotiate a deal on the rent. You would need to be prepared to make a loss for at least the first 6 months, possibly up to 12-18 months. But might never get the opportunity to buy in a prime location again. I notice the Thais are continuing to build condo projects, develop tourist sites, they aren't stupid. They know that when this all blows over, the tourists will be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jambo Posted January 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2021 4 hours ago, dcfc2007 said: Especially if you can negotiate a deal on the rent. You would need to be prepared to make a loss for at least the first 6 months, possibly up to 12-18 months. But might never get the opportunity to buy in a prime location again. I notice the Thais are continuing to build condo projects, develop tourist sites, they aren't stupid. They know that when this all blows over, the tourists will be back. "When this all blows over, the tourists will be back." Where were all the tourists before Covid? It is easy to forget that for a couple of years prior to Covid, Pattaya had no real high season at all and that there were just far too many bars/GoGo's chasing the same diminished customer base. The continued high value of the baht was resulting in customers coming less often and spending less when they did. The baht continues to be far too strong for western tourists. Buy a bar now means putting it in mothballs for the whole of this year at the optomistic best. When Thailand eventually opens up to any meaningful influx of tourists I very much doubt that they will becoming from "western" countries. The chinks do not spend money in our bars/GoGo's. Thailand needs to come to terms with the fact that Covid is NEVER going to go away. There will always be some positive cases from tourists irrespective of world wide vaccination. If they do not accept that then they will retain quarantine periods and then you can forget mass tourism. As for condo projects. Surely any building going on now was the result of decisions/planning undertaken well prior to Covid. Pattaya and Jomtien is absolutely surrounded by new completed constructions conspiculously absent of any purchasers. Sadly, I do not think the Pattaya we have loved and enjoyed to the full will ever return to anything like its former self. 2 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 16 minutes ago, Jambo said: "When this all blows over, the tourists will be back." Where were all the tourists before Covid? It is easy to forget that for a couple of years prior to Covid, Pattaya had no real high season at all and that there were just far too many bars/GoGo's chasing the same diminished customer base. The continued high value of the baht was resulting in customers coming less often and spending less when they did. The baht continues to be far too strong for western tourists. Buy a bar now means putting it in mothballs for the whole of this year at the optomistic best. When Thailand eventually opens up to any meaningful influx of tourists I very much doubt that they will becoming from "western" countries. The chinks do not spend money in our bars/GoGo's. Thailand needs to come to terms with the fact that Covid is NEVER going to go away. There will always be some positive cases from tourists irrespective of world wide vaccination. If they do not accept that then they will retain quarantine periods and then you can forget mass tourism. As for condo projects. Surely any building going on now was the result of decisions/planning undertaken well prior to Covid. Pattaya and Jomtien is absolutely surrounded by new completed constructions conspiculously absent of any purchasers. Sadly, I do not think the Pattaya we have loved and enjoyed to the full will ever return to anything like its former self. Excellent summary of things..... Another thing I have been watching for years is Gambling/ Casinos.......I think there is a movement underway to take-out the underground casinos in Thailand and give that income to the big boys...I don't think morality has any thing to do with the recent crackdowns... I hate to say it but Pattaya is ripe for a Sihanoukville part 2 with all these empty condos and almost empty shopping malls.......It would not take much to get another Sihanoukville disaster going in Pattaya.... China just needs to open the floodgates on easy cheap flights after gambling is legalized and the old Pattaya will be just a memory..... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfc2007 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 36 minutes ago, Jambo said: "When this all blows over, the tourists will be back." Where were all the tourists before Covid? It is easy to forget that for a couple of years prior to Covid, Pattaya had no real high season at all and that there were just far too many bars/GoGo's chasing the same diminished customer base. The continued high value of the baht was resulting in customers coming less often and spending less when they did. The baht continues to be far too strong for western tourists. Buy a bar now means putting it in mothballs for the whole of this year at the optomistic best. When Thailand eventually opens up to any meaningful influx of tourists I very much doubt that they will becoming from "western" countries. The chinks do not spend money in our bars/GoGo's. Thailand needs to come to terms with the fact that Covid is NEVER going to go away. There will always be some positive cases from tourists irrespective of world wide vaccination. If they do not accept that then they will retain quarantine periods and then you can forget mass tourism. As for condo projects. Surely any building going on now was the result of decisions/planning undertaken well prior to Covid. Pattaya and Jomtien is absolutely surrounded by new completed constructions conspiculously absent of any purchasers. Sadly, I do not think the Pattaya we have loved and enjoyed to the full will ever return to anything like its former self. It's true that western sex pests were thin on the ground prior to covid, and sois like soi 7 and 8 were already well in demise before covid. However, that doesn't mean tourism in general was down, but the demographics had shifted. The amount of Chinese and Indian tourists were exploding every year. All the big condo developments like Unixx and the Base were full of Chinese and Indian tourists. The number of Thai tourists and even those from other SEA nations was steadily rising as well. However, as you say, these demographics don't visit naughty bars. But there are still plenty of sex pests that do visit, but again the demographic there has changed, those coming are younger than ever before. They are more inclined to party in places like soi 6 and hit the clubs at night than have a day drinking session on Soi New Plaza. The bars and businesses that adapted were thriving and I know many places that were busy, even in the depths of low season. I can think of places like ladylove, ibar, vice city, paradise agogo etc that were heaving almost every night of the week. There's no doubt in my mind that when the vaccination programme across the world is finished, tourists will travel again, countries will fling open their borders, and before we know it this will just be a bad memory. I can remember people saying that Pattaya was finished in 2010 when the red shirts torched much of downtown Bangkok and the country was put under martial law and curfew. The Thai tourism industry has survived coups, tsunamis, floods, and the brink of civil war. No reason it won't survive this in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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