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Pattaya Go-go bars, beer bars & restaurants (News closures and Updates)


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51 minutes ago, Jambo said:

The one growth sector has been with the so called Gentlemans Clubs which are simply hostess bars by a different name. They have been springing up all around Town but away from the high priced rental scene. They seem to have been surviving even when there only customers are expats. Modern, airconditioned with realistic drink prices and lots of very friendly hostesses. 

I think the days of the GoGo's paying expensive rents and silly money to dancers and charging outrageously high prices for drinks and particularly lady drinks will be largely be at an end.

Yep. This is accurate and more up to date.

Rents in LK Metro are increasing though, prior to the current closure.

The WS GoGo business model if it survives at all, even in a limited way will be with korean, japs wtc.

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6 hours ago, dcfc2007 said:

There's no doubt in my mind that when the vaccination programme across the world is finished, tourists will travel again, countries will fling open their borders, and before we know it this will just be a bad memory.

The Thai tourism industry has survived coups, tsunamis, floods, and the brink of civil war. No reason it won't survive this in my opinion.

Argument by assertion means little as it is just opinion based on f**k all.

No one knows the future.

What you write above was believed by many in Pattaya before this all started - ie more specifically by many who owned/ ran bars. If their customers are "Western sex pests' - what are you ? What are the bar owners ?

Or are you just have a pathetic potty mouth.

A Thai Tourism industry that emerges after all of this may not feature so much of the bar scene, but again none of us know. None of us know how this fucking virus is going to f**k us up.

Thailand looked like it had the virus under control for a long time, now thats questioned.

None really knows how the vaccine will pan out either.

But opinions are still like arseholes - everyone has one.

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2 hours ago, Jambo said:

Keep going.

Except you cannot much further because for every bar or GoGo like the ones you have listed there were 10 who would have said

"Never known it so quiet"

"Whatever happened to the high season"

And

"Only three customers in so had one drink and left" which was a very common comment, or very similar, in this forum.

The one growth sector has been with the so called Gentlemans Clubs which are simply hostess bars by a different name. They have been springing up all around Town but away from the high priced rental scene. They seem to have been surviving even when there only customers are expats. Modern, airconditioned with realistic drink prices and lots of very friendly hostesses. 

I think the days of the GoGo's paying expensive rents and silly money to dancers and charging outrageously high prices for drinks and particularly lady drinks will be largely be at an end. Why pay 170 baht for a beer and 250 baht for a lady drink in a GoGo when you can get both for less than half away from the main drag. 

There will always be the odd exceptions with regard to GoGo's that reopen and may do well if for not better reason than two thirds of their competitors will have closed for ever. Infact, the permanant closure of very significant numbers of GoGo's may be the only way the remainder will survive.

If Pattaya was so dead then how do you explain the fact that there were more bars opening than ever before. There are more bar areas than ever before. In fact look at the tree town area, 5 years there was pretty much nothing there, now there must be 30 bars in that area and the little side sois.

I'm not denying that some bars and some bar areas were struggling, and like I said, the demographics were changing. But many of the bars were doing ok, the may not have been making as much as they were in the glory years, but they were doing ok.

You make some very valid points about gentleman's clubs and lady drinks etc. I much prefer gentleman's clubs to gogo bars, and it wouldn't bother me if  95% of the gogo bars shut in Pattaya. I just think it is very premature to say that 'pattaya is finished'. Like I said, the tourism industry in Thailand has come through many disasters before.

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1 hour ago, Zeb said:

Argument by assertion means little as it is just opinion based on f**k all.

No one knows the future.

What you write above was believed by many in Pattaya before this all started - ie more specifically by many who owned/ ran bars. If their customers are "Western sex pests' - what are you ? What are the bar owners ?

Or are you just have a pathetic potty mouth.

A Thai Tourism industry that emerges after all of this may not feature so much of the bar scene, but again none of us know. None of us know how this fucking virus is going to f**k us up.

Thailand looked like it had the virus under control for a long time, now thats questioned.

None really knows how the vaccine will pan out either.

But opinions are still like arseholes - everyone has one.

I'm a sex pest and bar owners are pimps, just ask Bruce Mangosteen. Stop getting offended so easily ffs. The tourism industry in Thailand hasn't featured on the bar scene for years and years. That reminds me of a sex pest in soi 4 who said that if they closed nana plaza the tourism industry in Bangkok would collapse.... What a statement.

 

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Just had a nice and fish and chips dinner on the dark side with coffee cup n all. 

It was very quiet though. You have to wonder how long even the best run places are able to survive with this ridiculous non-alcohol rule. 

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9 minutes ago, Esco said:

Just had a nice and fish and chips dinner on the dark side with coffee cup n all. 

It was very quiet though. You have to wonder how long even the best run places are able to survive with this ridiculous non-alcohol rule. 

Just made me decide to have fish and chips tonight and a few drinks. Haven't had a drink this year and been on a strict diet to aid my liver etc as I have just had a blood test this morning.

I will relax tonight.

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3 hours ago, dcfc2007 said:

If Pattaya was so dead then how do you explain the fact that there were more bars opening than ever before. There are more bar areas than ever before. In fact look at the tree town area, 5 years there was pretty much nothing there, now there must be 30 bars in that area and the little side sois.

I'm not denying that some bars and some bar areas were struggling, and like I said, the demographics were changing. But many of the bars were doing ok, the may not have been making as much as they were in the glory years, but they were doing ok.

You make some very valid points about gentleman's clubs and lady drinks etc. I much prefer gentleman's clubs to gogo bars, and it wouldn't bother me if  95% of the gogo bars shut in Pattaya. I just think it is very premature to say that 'pattaya is finished'. Like I said, the tourism industry in Thailand has come through many disasters before.

Not sure about "more bar areas than ever before" , years ago Soi 2 was huge , as was the area where Central is now and the one that was on Beach Road before you got to walking Street on the street side can't remember the name , plus all the side Sois on the way to WS were busy , as was Soi 7 and 8 ..

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I don't know how they can possibly attract investors with deep enough pockets (and willing to take on the level of inherent risk) who can provide the amount of financing that would be necessary to even scratch the surface of what would be needed to "make over" Pattaya into a "family destination". 

Come on FFS !!! I don't see that happening. They have been talking about "family destination" for years. In my view that ain't happening, if so at a snails pace. Any families that do make it there will take a look around them and think WTF ???

They will head back home, tell all their friends (who were considering an inexpensive place to take the kids on a dream vacation) that the place looks like Hiroshima after the bomb dropped. Then they will call up their travel agent who sold them the package and cuss them out. One thing for sure, they won't be returning a second time.

Pattaya was a small fishing village until the Vietnam War started. Then it grew into the worlds biggest whore house. Over 50 fucking years ago. Does anyone really think they are going to be able to shake that label ? It's change some here and there, sure. But really it is what it is and always will be.

You can't put lipstick on a pig !

And you know what, I'm glad about that. 

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3 hours ago, Glasseye said:

I don't know how they can possibly attract investors with deep enough pockets (and willing to take on the level of inherent risk) who can provide the amount of financing that would be necessary to even scratch the surface of what would be needed to "make over" Pattaya into a "family destination". 

Come on FFS !!! I don't see that happening. They have been talking about "family destination" for years. In my view that ain't happening, if so at a snails pace. Any families that do make it there will take a look around them and think WTF ???

They will head back home, tell all their friends (who were considering an inexpensive place to take the kids on a dream vacation) that the place looks like Hiroshima after the bomb dropped. Then they will call up their travel agent who sold them the package and cuss them out. One thing for sure, they won't be returning a second time.

Pattaya was a small fishing village until the Vietnam War started. Then it grew into the worlds biggest whore house. Over 50 fucking years ago. Does anyone really think they are going to be able to shake that label ? It's change some here and there, sure. But really it is what it is and always will be.

You can't put lipstick on a pig !

And you know what, I'm glad about that. 

Yeah, they tried it in Vegas...had to go back to vices to make money.

Besides, if Pattaya loses its "last chance" destination label for desperate (lazy) Thais lovelies...

Where will they go? Some bra factory in Samut Sakhon? 

Ooops...already staffed by Burmese.

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3 hours ago, Stillearly said:

Not sure about "more bar areas than ever before" , years ago Soi 2 was huge , as was the area where Central is now and the one that was on Beach Road before you got to walking Street on the street side can't remember the name , plus all the side Sois on the way to WS were busy , as was Soi 7 and 8 ..

''Best Friends'' m8, I think......

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4 hours ago, Stillearly said:

Not sure about "more bar areas than ever before" , years ago Soi 2 was huge , as was the area where Central is now and the one that was on Beach Road before you got to walking Street on the street side can't remember the name , plus all the side Sois on the way to WS were busy , as was Soi 7 and 8 ..

I'd put money on it that prior to covid 19 there were more bars in Pattaya than ever before. Where some bar areas struggled others got bigger and busier. Soi 7 and 8 were on the decline whereas Soi LK metro and Soi Chaiyapoon were on the up.

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6 hours ago, Nightcrawler said:

Please note, that this topic is about closures and updates of bars and GoGos around town and not the ethics of Pattaya foreign visitors. 

Please stick to the topic. 

How exactly was my post not on the topic of Pattaya bars?

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4 hours ago, dcfc2007 said:

I'd put money on it that prior to covid 19 there were more bars in Pattaya than ever before. Where some bar areas struggled others got bigger and busier. Soi 7 and 8 were on the decline whereas Soi LK metro and Soi Chaiyapoon were on the up.

Soi LK Metro is small in comparison to Soi 7 and 8 combined though. I remember 15 odd years ago these sois were party central every night. The bars are still there for the most part just no more girls or customers sadly. 

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one of the issues now is that many have contracts due to renew in jan feb, with the stupid key money.  those places will fold, as will many who have thrown the keys in.  but the buildings will remain.  albeit empty.  end result will be that landlords will have to compete for tenants with lower rents, which is good.  places like tree town and the like are simply pop ups on land that was vacant.  that land initslef will eventually be developed, and those little busnesses are onyl there for pocket money for the owners, 

tourism and tourists will without change as a result of covid.  nothing will be the same 

 

but we have expats, who are a diminishing but reliable market

 

and then we have Temp  Pats.  the snowbirds who came en mass from around the world to escape winters/  this in itself is an overlooked group but huge.  sadly also on hold thanks to immigration rules.  this market is a major player for the bars and the like.  the Temp pat saves and looks forward to his 3-6 months here and was a good spender.

 

My customers vary from hotels to restaurants, hosptials to supermakrets.  all are suffering greatly, hence my own business dilemna.  the supermarket groups, as an example, have all cut a massive amount of middle management and budgets.  

 

a true example of how things are tho.. are the banks.  look how many brnaches have closed.  loads.

I am looking at the hope of a 3 STAGE RECOVERY.  1)  the allowing of booze sales, maybe by march, so business can at least open.   2) domestic torusim revamped.. maybe same time.. so the city gets footfall, and then tourism from ther world allowed by maybe july (with restictions)  which would see a slow gain as many countires have it worse, and many people have run out of savings too.  plus globally many employers wont be looking at holidays for staff when they re open.  so for real tourism.. I reckon a year at least.

Grim huh?

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2 hours ago, Nightcrawler said:

New closures and updates. Try reading the title. 

And how many posts are specifically about new closures and updates? Majority of posts are about the bar industry in general. You don't need to over mod the forum.

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2 hours ago, tommy dee said:

one of the issues now is that many have contracts due to renew in jan feb, with the stupid key money.  those places will fold, as will many who have thrown the keys in.  but the buildings will remain.  albeit empty.  end result will be that landlords will have to compete for tenants with lower rents, which is good.  places like tree town and the like are simply pop ups on land that was vacant.  that land initslef will eventually be developed, and those little busnesses are onyl there for pocket money for the owners, 

tourism and tourists will without change as a result of covid.  nothing will be the same 

 

but we have expats, who are a diminishing but reliable market

 

and then we have Temp  Pats.  the snowbirds who came en mass from around the world to escape winters/  this in itself is an overlooked group but huge.  sadly also on hold thanks to immigration rules.  this market is a major player for the bars and the like.  the Temp pat saves and looks forward to his 3-6 months here and was a good spender.

 

My customers vary from hotels to restaurants, hosptials to supermakrets.  all are suffering greatly, hence my own business dilemna.  the supermarket groups, as an example, have all cut a massive amount of middle management and budgets.  

 

a true example of how things are tho.. are the banks.  look how many brnaches have closed.  loads.

I am looking at the hope of a 3 STAGE RECOVERY.  1)  the allowing of booze sales, maybe by march, so business can at least open.   2) domestic torusim revamped.. maybe same time.. so the city gets footfall, and then tourism from ther world allowed by maybe july (with restictions)  which would see a slow gain as many countires have it worse, and many people have run out of savings too.  plus globally many employers wont be looking at holidays for staff when they re open.  so for real tourism.. I reckon a year at least.

Grim huh?

I think that's a pretty decent shot a timeline though I would hope they allow booze sales before March. More countries are imposing restrictions than lifting them which is depressing.

The biggest factor in how quickly Thailand and Pattaya opens to tourists is going to be the speed and efficiency of its own vaccination programme.

This recent outbreak has brought that forward a few months at least. But it's still difficult to see a scenario in which mainstream tourism resumes on a scale anywhere near like pre-covid levels until 2022.

 

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3 hours ago, tommy dee said:

I am looking at the hope of a 3 STAGE RECOVERY.  1)  the allowing of booze sales, maybe by march, so business can at least open.   2) domestic torusim revamped.. maybe same time.. so the city gets footfall, and then tourism from ther world allowed by maybe july (with restictions)  which would see a slow gain as many countires have it worse, and many people have run out of savings too.  plus globally many employers wont be looking at holidays for staff when they re open.  so for real tourism.. I reckon a year at least.

Grim huh?

I totally agree with your comment about tourism in Pattaya never being the same again.

We watched with amusement the mobs of Chinks wandering down Walking Street led by their flag waving commissar. They don't eat in our restaurants or drink in our bars or b/fine our girls. Well wait until Thailand lets them flood back in without any restrictions:

None of us know what is going to happen. Keep all the restrictions on the sale of alcohol for an extended period then many of the bars and GoGO's will go into hibernation maybe never to reopen under the same ownership.

Maintain the restrictions particularly the absolute quarantine period killer then maybe the end of mass tourism ad infinitum. Thai Government and the Thai population have to accept the fact that tourism and some continual Covid cases are inevitable and are here for ever. If not, it is quite conceivable that quarantine restrictions for "western" countries will also be here for ever because vacination programs are not going to eradicate Covid just lower the death count to politically acceptable levels. China of course will have no such continued restrictions.

Then again,

What do I know? 🤣

Maybe Thailand will legalise gambling with licenced Casino's and turn Pattaya into Las Pattaya. That would pull in all the Chinese for sure. Don't laugh.....................it could happen.

 

 

 

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45 minutes ago, Jambo said:

That would pull in all the Chinese for sure. Don't laugh.....................it could happen.

It did in Sianoukvilke, went from a small beach side town to a big city in a short period of time after the Chinese opened their casinos

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Once a sleepy, entrancing seaside resort in southwest Cambodia, Sihanoukville is sleepy again, bereft of Chinese nationals and tourists who have left following the closure of dozens of casinos in the city. This was a result of a government ban on all online and arcade gambling operations in the kingdom, which came into effect in January.

Fears of a coronavirus outbreak virtually completed the exodus, with reports of only 10 to 20 percent of Chinese nationals remaining, and few tourist arrivals from mainland China.

Many Asian places are feeling the pain of being too China-dependent in current times, but Sihanoukville has taken the cake as probably the most wretched. Its problem isn’t overtourism but development that destroys its status as a tourism jewel, critics say. It also isn’t so much about China dependency as it is about China centricity that squeezes out locals and other nationalities.

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