Horizondave Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, galenkia said: No matter how good the forum,the bar still has to be attractive to customers. But is helps massively in getting people through the door. I agree on your second statement and it is a good vehicle to direct traffic to an establishment but relying on that forum could prove dangerous especially if, like some forums, personalities take over and piss of many members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Fondles Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Thai Spice said: Besides that, did Scooters promoted the new place in their existing ones ? Like "A new Scooters branch is now open on W.S. .." I dont think so, maybe they feared to cannibalize the existing ones ? Doubtful as geographically in completely different locations. Don't know if they did any promotion in their actual existing sites but they did on their various social media accounts which covers all location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jambo Posted July 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, galenkia said: No matter how good the forum,the bar still has to be attractive to customers. But is helps massively in getting people through the door. That is absolutely correct. The forum got people through the door but it was the fact that they like what they found and returned time and time again. We were a good team. Larry galvanised the forum and was the best meeter and greeter in Pattaya and Phil followed on Ben was a great "Mine Hoste" and my best friend ; Alan a great Chef and I ran the office and spent hours counting the takings. We had a great line up of girls, good service staff and you would be lucky to find a seat after 7.30 at the weekends. Then Ben started playing Poker. 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galenkia Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Horizondave said: I agree on your second statement and it is a good vehicle to direct traffic to an establishment but relying on that forum could prove dangerous especially if, like some forums, personalities take over and piss of many members. Seems most of the people pissing off people on Secrets forum did not even use the bar,so you do have a valid point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyman Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 The bar itself is a winner IMO but they're going to need a big PR push to raise the profile of the place if it's going to reopen. Having a good product isn't any good if nobody knows about it, and because of its location, not many people do. Best of luck to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stillearly Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, Jambo said: That is absolutely correct. The forum got people through the door but it was the fact that they like what they found and returned time and time again. We were a good team. Larry galvanised the forum and was the best meeter and greeter in Pattaya and Phil followed on Ben was a great "Mine Hoste" and my best friend ; Alan a great Chef and I ran the office and spent hours counting the takings. We had a great line up of girls, good service staff and you would be lucky to find a seat after 7.30 at the weekends. Then Ben started playing Poker. Ben's no longer associated with the Bar / Hotel now , so what do you think is the issue ? Is it true it's now closed until 1st Sept as mentioned earlier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Smooth Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Damn! Guess I'll miss walking into an empty bar next month and have a couple of quiet beers while listening to Lulu singing, "To Sir With Love". Hey, if I'm the only guy in the joint, then they better be taking requests! I think one of the major differences between Scooters/Secrets and the other Scooter locations, is that in those other spots, they were a part of the local scene that was visible for all to see who happened by. They compliment the areas they are located at. The WS location however, is a place that you "gotta go there to get there", as it's location isn't really connected to the main nightlife area it claims to be attached to. It is instead separated from it's WS anchor, pretty much hidden away and out of sight, as having to go down an alley will only attract a very small crowd when where they are standing on WS before deciding to head down that alley, lays before them a feast for the senses. A dazzling kaleidoscope of neon lights, music, food smells, drink, women walking back and forth, and the promise of "come hither" delights with a plethora of ladies lined up in front of their respective venues enticing passers by with cheap happy hour drink prices. WS is one of the great human parades on nightly display anywhere in the world and people are naturally attracted to people watching. The other Scooter locations don't have to compete with that as they are a part OF IT! Makes for a tough go for Scooters/Secrets when it is where it is. Maybe by September and into the high season things might change, but after reading these recent posts, it doesn't appear likely. I guess I'll have to venture into a different bar while in Pattaya. Can anyone recommend another place to go to? I'm open to suggestions! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizondave Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Krapow said: Yea, it's how I discovered the Rockhouse, via the Pattaya Live forum. And also, as you say, from my last few times of viewing PL, it wouldn't give me much incentive to go there, quite the reverse in fact. But, I don't run PL or the Rockhouse, the bar has successfully been going for years, so what do I know ... The Rockhouse still does well and I remember we used to regularly get told we were not the biggest spenders, that was reserved for others who came into the bar at the peak times which were usually passed my bed time. Location of the Rockhouse is probably better and the forum may not have had such a large impact on the majority of it's patronage. I can understand how a forum can (should) offer a higher patronage across it's threshold but it should have had an ability to attract many others who were not interested in a forum. I am sure the majority of members who have signed up previously to forums have never set foot in the associated bar, that certainly was the case with the Rockhouse (or so we were told) As Tommy said the forums were massive in their day but staying competitive, creative, innovative is the way forward, maybe the forums just didn't keep up with what was required to maintain membership as well as the main inroad to it's parent bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy dee Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 43 minutes ago, Horizondave said: The Rockhouse still does well and I remember we used to regularly get told we were not the biggest spenders, that was reserved for others who came into the bar at the peak times which were usually passed my bed time. Location of the Rockhouse is probably better and the forum may not have had such a large impact on the majority of it's patronage. I can understand how a forum can (should) offer a higher patronage across it's threshold but it should have had an ability to attract many others who were not interested in a forum. I am sure the majority of members who have signed up previously to forums have never set foot in the associated bar, that certainly was the case with the Rockhouse (or so we were told) As Tommy said the forums were massive in their day but staying competitive, creative, innovative is the way forward, maybe the forums just didn't keep up with what was required to maintain membership as well as the main inroad to it's parent bar. you are right dave.. but they couldnt keep up. in fact fb was carrying, at one time, more horny pics than any board wanted to. 5 yrs ago it reached the stage where bms were showing the girls pics that other had taken, the girls got into sm, and along with fb getting massive, the forums have become chat rooms, like this one, but could not be relied on to launch and keep a bar flowing. things are changing again tho. fb, now the king of swing, is charging fortunes to share your posts with "friends". you post from secrets and have x number of followers, well unless u pay them 10- dollars, only x/15 will see that post. its how they will make their money. so there will be a change again, but not sure what it is. i think it will be a return to forums and web pages. and see people using fb to drive traffic to the web pages, and people working to make their web pages interesting enuf that users come again and again with a fb post only becoming a reminder and not THE post 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krapow Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I always preferred forums to Thai related Facebook groups. I was in few Thai/Pattaya Facebook groups, but quickly left them all bar a scuba diving one. Forums like this are way better for me ... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stillearly Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Krapow said: I always preferred forums to Thai related Facebook groups. Forums like this are way better for me ... Same here , I don't follow any Thai related FB pages , all your friends can see what you "like" and comments you make , okay if you have a fake FB Page specifically for Thailand , but I was always worried about cross contamination..... so best to view only and not follow for me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Ben was never a favorite person of mine. I well remembered him from the FLB. I liked Larry and Moulie and did stop in once in a while to say hello, mostly to see Moulie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RR007 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 5 hours ago, Stillearly said: Is it true it's now closed until 1st Sept as mentioned earlier Would imagine thats a date thats been plucked out of thin air. Its gone dead and buried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizondave Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Painter said: Were you shaking with rage or crying when you took the photos, really fuzzy photos mate lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Painter Posted July 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2019 20 minutes ago, Horizondave said: Were you shaking with rage or crying when you took the photos, really fuzzy photos mate lol I was trying to use a phone in the rain, with a battery that was threatening to die, whilst balancing an umbrella as it was precipitating! Sorry they're not up to my usual high standards!! 5 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazle Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 7 hours ago, Stillearly said: Is it true it's now closed until 1st Sept as mentioned earlier The date for this is probably as firm as the date the staff will get paid. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryL Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 9 hours ago, Horizondave said: Well sounds a little dangerous to have a bar that relies on a forum, the bar for me should have been successful in it's own right and I would have been happy to have patronage via the forum but surely a business should be more associated with the actual bar product, the business offering. Thai Visa ran a bar in Hua Hin but that didn't last long, I think the forum is still doing well so forums are not really related to how well an associated bar is doing and in the same vein a bar should be looking at a business plan that doesn't revolve (or rely) around a forum. Just my personal thoughts. Maybe somebody took their eye off the ball. New owner never had eye on ball 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nampla69 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Painter said: I was trying to use a phone in the rain, with a battery that was threatening to die, whilst balancing an umbrella as it was precipitating! Sorry they're not up to my usual high standards!! You have high standards young man since when ??????? Heard this rumour few days ago ............ sad where we first met Darkling remember Merv he said this is !!! .................. hope life is good Si Namps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy dee Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 I am sure danny will be able to confirm that the hotel side is still open? i know he isnt in the bar side but that the hotel was being looked at as a separarate entity.. Danny?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Shambles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 5 hours ago, tommy dee said: I am sure danny will be able to confirm that the hotel side is still open? i know he isnt in the bar side but that the hotel was being looked at as a separarate entity.. Danny?? Hi Tommy, Secrets Hotel is totally separate from the Bar, ring fenced if you like as are all its employees. In other words, business as normal. Got to get back to writing my memoirs "Secrets - an inside straight". 2 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesitisdakid Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jambo said: Hi Tommy, Secrets Hotel is totally separate from the Bar, ring fenced if you like as are all its employees. In other words, business as normal. Got to get back to writing my memoirs "Secrets - an inside straight". I would like a signed copy of that please 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy dee Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 34 minutes ago, Jambo said: Hi Tommy, Secrets Hotel is totally separate from the Bar, ring fenced if you like as are all its employees. In other words, business as normal. Got to get back to writing my memoirs "Secrets - an inside straight". think u deserved that chance to confirm as i am sure u have bookings and dont want their bums twitching when they hear about the bar 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Fondles Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 1 hour ago, tommy dee said: think u deserved that chance to confirm as i am sure u have bookings and dont want their bums twitching when they hear about the bar I understand your angle but to me it seemed perfectly what was closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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