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Thai Spice

Growing western fruit in the Java jungle

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Discussing with my best friend who just retired and is in France at the moment, he told me he has planted some vegetables and herbs in his garden and asked me “Why you don’t try to grow something like that over there ?”

Meaning in my mini garden in Bali. I laughed at the idea, as planting anything or gardening is really not my thing, but thinking about it we should maybe give it a try at the jungle house ?

I mean in Europe the trend is all on exotic fruit etc…., well why here not try to plant something exotic for them like pears, prunes, peaches, abricots ?  When I see the prices and the shit taste of what is available in local supermarkets (and it was same in HKG), it is maybe worth giving it a try.

Now the idea is not going industrial but starting with a few trees of each and see what happen. Will it grow, will it be possible to commercialize it ? Worst case it all dies, best case if nobody likes it here well, we eat the fruit ourselves.

Let’s be clear, I am not gonna turn in a Expat farming pensioner (VPI style).  !  I will just raise the idea, try to get the necessary seeds or plants and ask brother in law and the Miss to take care.  I have no clue how long it takes for a tree to start bearing fruit, no idea where to source the plants, so ATM this is just a idea dropped from the sky.

So, if anybody has any comment, idea or suggestion about this, like the chances of it to grow or not under tropical climate etc…., your comments are all welcome.

I think it was done in French Indochina by some colons, so I am pretty sure it IS possible technically.

 

I open a separate topic for this, as I want to keep it separate from my regular Indo one.

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1 hour ago, Thai Spice said:

Discussing with my best friend who just retired and is in France at the moment, he told me he has planted some vegetables and herbs in his garden and asked me “Why you don’t try to grow something like that over there ?”

 

 

Meaning in my mini garden in Bali. I laughed at the idea, as planting anything or gardening is really not my thing, but thinking about it we should maybe give it a try at the jungle house ?

 

 

I mean in Europe the trend is all on exotic fruit etc…., well why here not try to plant something exotic for them like pears, prunes, peaches, abricots ?  When I see the prices and the shit taste of what is available in local supermarkets (and it was same in HKG), it is maybe worth giving it a try.

 

 

Now the idea is not going industrial but starting with a few trees of each and see what happen. Will it grow, will it be possible to commercialize it ? Worst case it all dies, best case if nobody likes it here well, we eat the fruit ourselves.

 

 

Let’s be clear, I am not gonna turn in a Expat farming pensioner (VPI style).  !  I will just raise the idea, try to get the necessary seeds or plants and ask brother in law and the Miss to take care.  I have no clue how long it takes for a tree to start bearing fruit, no idea where to source the plants, so ATM this is just a idea dropped from the sky.

So, if anybody has any comment, idea or suggestion about this, like the chances of it to grow or not under tropical climate etc…., your comments are all welcome.

 

 

I think it was done in French Indochina by some colons, so I am pretty sure it IS possible technically.

 

 

 

I open a separate topic for this, as I want to keep it separate from my regular Indo one.

 

 

I am shocked your lady hasn't planted anything. 

In Khon Kaen at my accommodation Porn has planted Papaya, Egg Plant, Chinese Vegetables, Tomatoes, Holy Basil, Bananas, Chilies, Sweet Basil, Mangoes and Pomegranate.

 I am very keen on her putting potatoes in but need to take the potato seeds from the UK as haven't seen them locally in Khon Kaen.

Good luck as it is very satisfying to eat your own veg, fruit etc when dinner time comes.

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I would think if you can source the plants, trees and or seeds locally, then they'll probably grow just fine. If you were thinking of importing the plants or seeds, it's doubtful you can get them through customs as most countries have very strict laws in that regard to protect the local flora from invasive, foreign plants, and insects that may hitch a ride.

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19 minutes ago, forcebwithu said:

I would think if you can source the plants, trees and or seeds locally, then they'll probably grow just fine. If you were thinking of importing the plants or seeds, it's doubtful you can get them through customs as most countries have very strict laws in that regard to protect the local flora from invasive, foreign plants, and insects that may hitch a ride.

Yep, agreed. Will do some searching and inquiry about what is available locally. 

Of course imports would be better, but sure there must be some restrictions.

 

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27 minutes ago, Horizondave said:

I am shocked your lady hasn't planted anything. 

In Khon Kaen at my accommodation Porn has planted Papaya, Egg Plant, Chinese Vegetables, Tomatoes, Holy Basil, Bananas, Chilies, Sweet Basil, Mangoes and Pomegranate.

 I am very keen on her putting potatoes in but need to take the potato seeds from the UK as haven't seen them locally in Khon Kaen.

Good luck as it is very satisfying to eat your own veg, fruit etc when dinner time comes.

The Missus has lived for to long away from the farming life, 2 years in SGP, 15 in HKG, so I guess she lost interest.  It is brother in law and her son who handle the cultures. 

And I dont think it will return. Organizing and a bit of supervising yes, but hands in the soil.....not too much.

 

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1 minute ago, Thai Spice said:

Yep, agreed. Will do some searching and inquiry about what is available locally. 

Of course imports would be better, but sure there must be some restrictions.

 

There are packet seeds for sale in most supermarkets, nearly all the products growing in the ground in Khon Kaen were sourced locally. Only potatoes were not available when looking.

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Yes, we will check with the guys who supplied the Dragon fruit trees, chili plants, etc.... 

Maybe they have a source.

First will be to have everybody agree on the idea to give it a try...

 

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1 hour ago, Horizondave said:

I am very keen on her putting potatoes in but need to take the potato seeds from the UK as haven't seen them locally in Khon Kaen.

 

Best of luck.

 

Growing potatoes requires cool climate. Potatoes grow best in temperature of 15-20(°C).
Nevertheless, it has the ability to adapt to a wide range of climate conditions. The potato grows
best in well-drained soils and pH is optimal between 4.8 to 5.8.

 

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@Thai Spice I think its a great idea.. 

Try the standard veg and fruits for the first year.

I would try for European tomatoes and maybe beef tomatoes too, maybe also French garlic and onions..

Now proper mushrooms would also go down very well but do need a bit of prep work.

You see fruit trees are for the long haul maybe 3 or 4 years before you get anything and if its not really your thing then i'd stick to fruits as its a good result and reward.

If you want i can post out plenty of assorted seeds for you.. 👍🏼

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Was in Wilko today in my local town and they were selling so many seed packets I was impressed. 

Had everything down to swede and parsnips but regulars like tomatoes and green beans. Wasn't looking for them but just happened to be there for something else when I spotted them, I saw some things for Porn to add to her garden when she flies back for a holiday.

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12 hours ago, Horizondave said:

I am very keen on her putting potatoes in but need to take the potato seeds from the UK as haven't seen them locally in Khon Kaen.

Don't use potato seeds as the results of those are unpredictable and slow, the first year you will get only one small potato. To grow potatoes, you use potatoes of the variety you wish to grow and put them in the ground when they are sprouting or, if you can get them, seed potatoes. If circumstances are good, you can harvest a decent meal for a couple of persons per planted potato. Keep some for next year, but don't put them in the same ground. If you are luckier than you deserve, the second harvest will still be decent, but there will be no third harvest from that ground in ten years. If you only grow potatoes on the same ground every fourth year and fertilize properly, you can harvest potatoes for the rest of your life.

The only people interested in potato seeds (which grow in poisonous berries) are people trying to breed new varieties of potatoes.

 

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If you want to know more, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato

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38 minutes ago, Freee!! said:

Don't use potato seeds as the results of those are unpredictable and slow, the first year you will get only one small potato. To grow potatoes, you use potatoes of the variety you wish to grow and put them in the ground when they are sprouting or, if you can get them, seed potatoes. If circumstances are good, you can harvest a decent meal for a couple of persons per planted potato. Keep some for next year, but don't put them in the same ground. If you are luckier than you deserve, the second harvest will still be decent, but there will be no third harvest from that ground in ten years. If you only grow potatoes on the same ground every fourth year and fertilize properly, you can harvest potatoes for the rest of your life.

The only people interested in potato seeds (which grow in poisonous berries) are people trying to breed new varieties of potatoes.

 

EDIT:

If you want to know more, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato

You can buy potatoes from Poundland that go in the ground, they are already sprouting.

When I was living in Khon Kaen it was sometimes difficult to get man farang (potatoes) even in Tesco.  As my wife makes wonderful chips I was always on the look out for them.

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@Thai Spice The fruit trees you mentioned will grow, but not produce fruit worth eating if any at all. Most of those trees need certain low(ish) temperatures for a few weeks to activate the conditions needed to produce fruit, the temperature required varies from species to species. This is why the fruit are not grown in the tropics and need to be imported. They will make very nice ornamental trees but not producing fruit trees.

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10 minutes ago, Chang_Paarp said:

@Thai Spice The fruit trees you mentioned will grow, but not produce fruit worth eating if any at all. Most of those trees need certain low(ish) temperatures for a few weeks to activate the conditions needed to produce fruit, the temperature required varies from species to species. This is why the fruit are not grown in the tropics and need to be imported. They will make very nice ornamental trees but not producing fruit trees.

Thanks Chang. I feared that ....

Havent looked into it since yesterday, but it was one of my questions.

"Why nobody ever tried it, there must be a reason.

 

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1 hour ago, Thai Spice said:

Thanks Chang. I feared that ....

Havent looked into it since yesterday, but it was one of my questions.

"Why nobody ever tried it, there must be a reason.

I'd say some people did try and found the results unsatisfying.

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On 6/26/2019 at 4:37 AM, Freee!! said:

Don't use potato seeds as the results of those are unpredictable and slow, the first year you will get only one small potato. To grow potatoes, you use potatoes of the variety you wish to grow and put them in the ground when they are sprouting or, if you can get them, seed potatoes. If circumstances are good, you can harvest a decent meal for a couple of persons per planted potato. Keep some for next year, but don't put them in the same ground. If you are luckier than you deserve, the second harvest will still be decent, but there will be no third harvest from that ground in ten years. If you only grow potatoes on the same ground every fourth year and fertilize properly, you can harvest potatoes for the rest of your life.

The only people interested in potato seeds (which grow in poisonous berries) are people trying to breed new varieties of potatoes.

 

EDIT:

If you want to know more, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato

My wife planted two rows of potatoes she bought in the local market in Mae Sot.  I did not see them go in but I noticed the plants when fully grown. You are quite correct because each plant produced a crop of 6 or more spuds and all looked healthy and tasted good.

When we lived in a house in Khatalo, Pattaya I decided to grow runner beans which I used to grow in the UK. I built a traditional bambo frame the width of the garden and in my mind I could already see the plants growing with their red flowers and me harvesting my own runner beans.

So when my Daughter visited from the UK she brought with her two different varieties of packets of runner beans. I planted two per cane, in case one did not appear, and watered well. After only a few days healthy looking plants appeared and they were soon a few inches high. I came back the next afternoon................Nothing! The whole lot eaten!

If at first you do not succeed - try again.

Same result.

Sai said " I knew that would happen."

Sai planted some Thai vegetables at each pole and within a month the whole lot was covered in produce none of which I like.:default_biggrin:

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One of the actual crops at the jungle. On brother's area. 

Sells for 2,000 IDR / kg  (4,5 b).  Barely covers the seeds and chemicals.

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But for him it is the only income. Plus his wife washing dishes in a local restaurant for 750,000 IDR/month (1,600 b)

 

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7 hours ago, Jambo said:

My wife planted two rows of potatoes she bought in the local market in Mae Sot.  I did not see them go in but I noticed the plants when fully grown. You are quite correct because each plant produced a crop of 6 or more spuds and all looked healthy and tasted good.

When we lived in a house in Khatalo, Pattaya I decided to grow runner beans which I used to grow in the UK. I built a traditional bambo frame the width of the garden and in my mind I could already see the plants growing with their red flowers and me harvesting my own runner beans.

So when my Daughter visited from the UK she brought with her two different varieties of packets of runner beans. I planted two per cane, in case one did not appear, and watered well. After only a few days healthy looking plants appeared and they were soon a few inches high. I came back the next afternoon................Nothing! The whole lot eaten!

If at first you do not succeed - try again.

Same result.

Sai said " I knew that would happen."

Sai planted some Thai vegetables at each pole and within a month the whole lot was covered in produce none of which I like.:default_biggrin:

I know a bit about potatoes. About 35 years ago, my father decided to teach his children a bit about food, so he got some seed potatoes from a farmer (usual supplier of our potatoes at that time and well acquainted as my father also was a teacher of that farmer's son) and put them in the ground in the garden. We had a couple of good meals from them. A couple of years ago I had some potatoes that were unedible because of excessive sprouting, so I put those in the ground in my garden and had another couple of good meals from those.

As for beans, I've read multiple stories over the years how the young plants get eaten by slugs and snails in Thailand, so I am not surprised.

But you can try Chayote, it grows very well in Vietnam (Su su), but also quite well in my garden here in the Netherlands. And for Sai: ฟักแม้ว

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I’ve brought back various seeds from the UK to try and grow stuff like radish and herbs in my garden here in Pattaya, but they never work. It’s either too hot or too wet or the soil doesn’t suit them or the bugs are too rampant – hell, I even find it hard to grow decent watercress on the windowsill in my house, probably the sun is too strong or the house is too hot. Once the temperature gets much above 25° C in Britain for any length of time you quickly start hearing reports on the news about how this is a disaster for crops and farmers, so Thailand’s almost constant 30-35° C isn’t going to do British seeds any favours. Maybe in Italy or the south of France or Greece they have hardier seeds, but I’d forget about trying anything from the temperate northern climes.

If you really wanted to do it I think you’d need to build a sort of reverse greenhouse with air conditioning and darkened glass to reduce the strength of the sunlight, but that would cost far more than simply buying the imported stuff, especially if it’s from China.

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