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54 minutes ago, Thai Spice said:

John, this is a mini revolution in the making...

Not about law technicalities.

This young generation is realizing that in 2047 they will simply be absorbed by China. 

Remember, when you fight for freedom ...etc.....

 

If you have a look back at post 167, you will see someone suggesting the officer should be charged with murder.  😀

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49 minutes ago, Thai Spice said:

John, this is a mini revolution in the making...

Not about law technicalities.

This young generation is realizing that in 2047 they will simply be absorbed by China. 

Remember, when you fight for freedom ...etc.....

 

Of course it is about law technicalities. 

The handover was in 1997.... over 20 years ago...  2047 is just over 27 years down the track.

Absorbed by China in 2047.... err.... I would say that China has already done that.

As for fighting for freedom... what freedom are the residents of Hong Kong fighting for???

Free to travel overseas.... free to own their own residence....vehicles.... have a bank account.... access to medical.....etc...etc.

cheers

 

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What we agreed on with mates and colleagues in HK or ex HK expats is that none of us ever thought those young Honkies would be able to turn in fighters, and resist like they are doing now. And they become pretty well organized as well.

I don't condone violence, but sadly it has been proven over and over that pacific resistance doesn't achieve much, and government will only start to seriously look at the issue if things turn ugly (example Yellow Jackets in Paris)

So, yes I support them 100%.

 

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Time these dissidents were pulled into line by the Government. They are achieving sweet buggar all.... they are turning everyday citizens against them who wanted change but were prepared to use the means of peaceful protests and negotiation.

All this violence is to no avail.... all it is doing is playing into the Chinese Government's hands. If these people truly believe that this is the way to go..... get the masks off.... be open with who they are and what they stand for... because at the moment they are nothing but violent hooligans who stand for nothing but mayhem.

cheers

  

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41 minutes ago, roobob said:

Time these dissidents were pulled into line by the Government. They are achieving sweet buggar all.... they are turning everyday citizens against them who wanted change but were prepared to use the means of peaceful protests and negotiation.

All this violence is to no avail.... all it is doing is playing into the Chinese Government's hands. If these people truly believe that this is the way to go..... get the masks off.... be open with who they are and what they stand for... because at the moment they are nothing but violent hooligans who stand for nothing but mayhem.

cheers

  

Remember the Gillets Jaune...

But relax, I am not interested in discussing anything with you.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Thai Spice said:

Remember the Gillets Jaune...

But relax, I am not interested in discussing anything with you.

 

 

Err...I did not quote you..... I just posted on the topic that I am the OP of..... is that ok with you??

Maybe it is time you relax and BMs can put whatever view they like...even ones opposed to you.

cheers

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4 hours ago, roobob said:

but were prepared to use the means of peaceful protests and negotiation

So what has this peaceful approach achieved in the last 20 years? Does anyone actually believe that China will take any notice of a peaceful protest. Didnt they just ignore a UN resolution on the disputed south china sea islands, sending more ships and expanding their take over. 

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21 minutes ago, biggles said:

So what has this peaceful approach achieved in the last 20 years? Does anyone actually believe that China will take any notice of a peaceful protest. Didnt they just ignore a UN resolution on the disputed south china sea islands, sending more ships and expanding their take over. 

It achieved to at least get the Chinese to talk about things .... did not result with the violence, mayhem and deaths that is occurring now.

What has the latest violence achieved... except mayhem, destruction and deaths..... but mainly giving the Chinese an excuse to bring in the military if necessary.

cheers

 

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Here is one of the reasons why I dont think Bejing would dare to use PLA troops in HK. 

If Beijing puts troops in Hong Kong, Washington should suspend the city’s trade status, US commission says

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3037805/if-china-puts-troops-hong-kong-us-should-end-citys-trade

At the moment, Beijing still needs HK as financial and trade hub.

And concerning a curfew...no way. How can they enforce it if 10,000 demonstrators challenge it  ? Shoot them ?

This is not Thailand. 

 

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Another view..... interesting that these "peaceful" protesters who wear masks were reported shown on video by throwing a rock at a 70yo street cleaner and then pouring petrol on him and setting him on fire which resulted him passing away later.

A US committee of some kind has said that the US should suspend the cities trade status is a joke...… why.....it gets down to money ...and the investment by US and China between each other will still be a major consideration of what action will be taken.

The funny thing here … what the original protest was about has already has an outcome...… the thing is now.... these people are no longer protesters... they are now criminals.

cheers

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/hong-kong-protests-spark-call-for-australian-university-students-to-come-home/ar-BBWNmf1?ocid=spartanntp 

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34 minutes ago, roobob said:

Another view..... interesting that these "peaceful" protesters who wear masks were reported shown on video by throwing a rock at a 70yo street cleaner and then pouring petrol on him and setting him on fire which resulted him passing away later.

A US committee of some kind has said that the US should suspend the cities trade status is a joke...… why.....it gets down to money ...and the investment by US and China between each other will still be a major consideration of what action will be taken.

The funny thing here … what the original protest was about has already has an outcome...… the thing is now.... these people are no longer protesters... they are now criminals.

cheers

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/hong-kong-protests-spark-call-for-australian-university-students-to-come-home/ar-BBWNmf1?ocid=spartanntp 

Spot on. Criminals now.I should add the police are just as bad as the protesters now with their actions.Its descending into total chaos

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@roobob asked "freedom of what"....well, what about we start we freedom of expression ?

"The Hong Kong government has taken the unprecedented step of warning 180,000 employees they will face immediate suspension and other disciplinary action if they are arrested taking part in unlawful public activities."

"In a letter addressed to all public servants on Friday, Secretary for the Civil Service Joshua Law Chi-kong said the government had “zero tolerance” for any of its employees joining illegal assemblies or breaching the anti-mask law."

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/3038005/hong-kong-protests-peaceful-friday-turns-violent-again-government

Same happened at Cathay .

 

 

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1 hour ago, Pinoydave said:

This has been so predictable for years....... you can't take away peoples freedoms..... China only exists by brutality..... the people may not win this time but ultimately they will 

Fully agree. The problem is very deep and goes back several decades. HKG has always been ruled by a few tycoons, owning the city and its business and de facto having a very heavy weight in politics.

To put it simply, the rich dont worry...they will stay rich, the poor will stay poor, its the middle class that realizes they have little future, and none at all if they fall under Chinese rule.

There is ZERO hope of ever owning a house. And even owning a 400 sg ft flat is a non reachable dream for many.  Have a look at costs of rents or purchasing such a flat in HKG. 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Thai Spice said:

@roobob asked "freedom of what"....well, what about we start we freedom of expression ?

"The Hong Kong government has taken the unprecedented step of warning 180,000 employees they will face immediate suspension and other disciplinary action if they are arrested taking part in unlawful public activities."

"In a letter addressed to all public servants on Friday, Secretary for the Civil Service Joshua Law Chi-kong said the government had “zero tolerance” for any of its employees joining illegal assemblies or breaching the anti-mask law."

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/3038005/hong-kong-protests-peaceful-friday-turns-violent-again-government

Same happened at Cathay .

 

 

There is no problem with freedom of expression but freedom of expression is not throwing a rock at a 70yo streetcleaner and then pouring petrol on him and setting him alight by these protesters.

You will find that Government workers of many countries..... not only Hong Kong..... will be faced with immediate suspension or other disciplinary action if they are arrested taking part in unlawful public activities..... and so they should... they are breaking the law and even though employed by the Government are not above the law of the common citizen.

cheers

 

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1 minute ago, roobob said:

There is no problem with freedom of expression but freedom of expression is not throwing a rock at a 70yo streetcleaner and then pouring petrol on him and setting him alight by these protesters.

You will find that Government workers of many countries..... not only Hong Kong..... will be faced with immediate suspension or other disciplinary action if they are arrested taking part in unlawful public activities..... and so they should... they are breaking the law and even though employed by the Government are not above the law of the common citizen.

cheers

 

You really integrated very well in a military dictatorship...

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5 minutes ago, roobob said:

There is no problem with freedom of expression but freedom of expression is not throwing a rock at a 70yo streetcleaner and then pouring petrol on him and setting him alight by these protesters.
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I've not seen any news reports that he was set on fire after being hit by a rock.

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1 minute ago, Thai Spice said:

You really integrated very well in a military dictatorship...

lol.... and you are very naïve and one eyed in what is actually going...… to your last post above.....a question..... would a Government employee of the French Government be faced with immediate suspension or other disciplinary action if they are arrested taking part in unlawful public activities??

cheers

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