Thai Spice Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 John, this is a mini revolution in the making... Not about law technicalities. This young generation is realizing that in 2047 they will simply be absorbed by China. Remember, when you fight for freedom ...etc..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john luke Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 54 minutes ago, Thai Spice said: John, this is a mini revolution in the making... Not about law technicalities. This young generation is realizing that in 2047 they will simply be absorbed by China. Remember, when you fight for freedom ...etc..... If you have a look back at post 167, you will see someone suggesting the officer should be charged with murder. 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted November 12, 2019 Author Share Posted November 12, 2019 49 minutes ago, Thai Spice said: John, this is a mini revolution in the making... Not about law technicalities. This young generation is realizing that in 2047 they will simply be absorbed by China. Remember, when you fight for freedom ...etc..... Of course it is about law technicalities. The handover was in 1997.... over 20 years ago... 2047 is just over 27 years down the track. Absorbed by China in 2047.... err.... I would say that China has already done that. As for fighting for freedom... what freedom are the residents of Hong Kong fighting for??? Free to travel overseas.... free to own their own residence....vehicles.... have a bank account.... access to medical.....etc...etc. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Result : demos were only on weekends, and now it simply escaladed... https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3037453/hong-kong-protests-city-braces-third-straight-day-travel And as the HKG Chief Executive is simply a marionette of Bejing with no decisional power, I cant see this getting better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Yesterday and last night (Wed) I like when the young student fronts the university rector and asks him questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 What we agreed on with mates and colleagues in HK or ex HK expats is that none of us ever thought those young Honkies would be able to turn in fighters, and resist like they are doing now. And they become pretty well organized as well. I don't condone violence, but sadly it has been proven over and over that pacific resistance doesn't achieve much, and government will only start to seriously look at the issue if things turn ugly (example Yellow Jackets in Paris) So, yes I support them 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just had a video call with a Brit mate there. His comment "its mayhem, no way I can go to work, so I am heading to bar 109 check out the wild survivors" Best choice, anybody who knows 109 and its reputation will agree. A safe haven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted November 14, 2019 Author Share Posted November 14, 2019 Time these dissidents were pulled into line by the Government. They are achieving sweet buggar all.... they are turning everyday citizens against them who wanted change but were prepared to use the means of peaceful protests and negotiation. All this violence is to no avail.... all it is doing is playing into the Chinese Government's hands. If these people truly believe that this is the way to go..... get the masks off.... be open with who they are and what they stand for... because at the moment they are nothing but violent hooligans who stand for nothing but mayhem. cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, roobob said: Time these dissidents were pulled into line by the Government. They are achieving sweet buggar all.... they are turning everyday citizens against them who wanted change but were prepared to use the means of peaceful protests and negotiation. All this violence is to no avail.... all it is doing is playing into the Chinese Government's hands. If these people truly believe that this is the way to go..... get the masks off.... be open with who they are and what they stand for... because at the moment they are nothing but violent hooligans who stand for nothing but mayhem. cheers Remember the Gillets Jaune... But relax, I am not interested in discussing anything with you. Edited November 14, 2019 by Thai Spice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted November 14, 2019 Author Share Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Thai Spice said: Remember the Gillets Jaune... But relax, I am not interested in discussing anything with you. Err...I did not quote you..... I just posted on the topic that I am the OP of..... is that ok with you?? Maybe it is time you relax and BMs can put whatever view they like...even ones opposed to you. cheers Edited November 14, 2019 by roobob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggles Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 4 hours ago, roobob said: but were prepared to use the means of peaceful protests and negotiation So what has this peaceful approach achieved in the last 20 years? Does anyone actually believe that China will take any notice of a peaceful protest. Didnt they just ignore a UN resolution on the disputed south china sea islands, sending more ships and expanding their take over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted November 14, 2019 Author Share Posted November 14, 2019 21 minutes ago, biggles said: So what has this peaceful approach achieved in the last 20 years? Does anyone actually believe that China will take any notice of a peaceful protest. Didnt they just ignore a UN resolution on the disputed south china sea islands, sending more ships and expanding their take over. It achieved to at least get the Chinese to talk about things .... did not result with the violence, mayhem and deaths that is occurring now. What has the latest violence achieved... except mayhem, destruction and deaths..... but mainly giving the Chinese an excuse to bring in the military if necessary. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Vandalism is a necessary tactic, say HK vanguard https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/11/article/vandalism-is-a-necessary-tactic-say-protesters/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) Here is one of the reasons why I dont think Bejing would dare to use PLA troops in HK. If Beijing puts troops in Hong Kong, Washington should suspend the city’s trade status, US commission says https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3037805/if-china-puts-troops-hong-kong-us-should-end-citys-trade At the moment, Beijing still needs HK as financial and trade hub. And concerning a curfew...no way. How can they enforce it if 10,000 demonstrators challenge it ? Shoot them ? This is not Thailand. Edited November 15, 2019 by Thai Spice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted November 15, 2019 Author Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) Another view..... interesting that these "peaceful" protesters who wear masks were reported shown on video by throwing a rock at a 70yo street cleaner and then pouring petrol on him and setting him on fire which resulted him passing away later. A US committee of some kind has said that the US should suspend the cities trade status is a joke...… why.....it gets down to money ...and the investment by US and China between each other will still be a major consideration of what action will be taken. The funny thing here … what the original protest was about has already has an outcome...… the thing is now.... these people are no longer protesters... they are now criminals. cheers https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/hong-kong-protests-spark-call-for-australian-university-students-to-come-home/ar-BBWNmf1?ocid=spartanntp Edited November 15, 2019 by roobob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flog Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 34 minutes ago, roobob said: Another view..... interesting that these "peaceful" protesters who wear masks were reported shown on video by throwing a rock at a 70yo street cleaner and then pouring petrol on him and setting him on fire which resulted him passing away later. A US committee of some kind has said that the US should suspend the cities trade status is a joke...… why.....it gets down to money ...and the investment by US and China between each other will still be a major consideration of what action will be taken. The funny thing here … what the original protest was about has already has an outcome...… the thing is now.... these people are no longer protesters... they are now criminals. cheers https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/hong-kong-protests-spark-call-for-australian-university-students-to-come-home/ar-BBWNmf1?ocid=spartanntp Spot on. Criminals now.I should add the police are just as bad as the protesters now with their actions.Its descending into total chaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinoydave Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 This has been so predictable for years....... you can't take away peoples freedoms..... China only exists by brutality..... the people may not win this time but ultimately they will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) @roobob asked "freedom of what"....well, what about we start we freedom of expression ? "The Hong Kong government has taken the unprecedented step of warning 180,000 employees they will face immediate suspension and other disciplinary action if they are arrested taking part in unlawful public activities." "In a letter addressed to all public servants on Friday, Secretary for the Civil Service Joshua Law Chi-kong said the government had “zero tolerance” for any of its employees joining illegal assemblies or breaching the anti-mask law." https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/3038005/hong-kong-protests-peaceful-friday-turns-violent-again-government Same happened at Cathay . Edited November 15, 2019 by Thai Spice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Pinoydave said: This has been so predictable for years....... you can't take away peoples freedoms..... China only exists by brutality..... the people may not win this time but ultimately they will Fully agree. The problem is very deep and goes back several decades. HKG has always been ruled by a few tycoons, owning the city and its business and de facto having a very heavy weight in politics. To put it simply, the rich dont worry...they will stay rich, the poor will stay poor, its the middle class that realizes they have little future, and none at all if they fall under Chinese rule. There is ZERO hope of ever owning a house. And even owning a 400 sg ft flat is a non reachable dream for many. Have a look at costs of rents or purchasing such a flat in HKG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galenkia Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) Even Hong-Kong officials are being attacked in Camden London https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-50433799 If I had been there with my Goth crew we could have sorted it 😄 Edited November 15, 2019 by galenkia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, galenkia said: If I had been there with my Goth crew we could have sorted it 😄 Hahaha....you would have scared them ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted November 16, 2019 Author Share Posted November 16, 2019 5 hours ago, Thai Spice said: @roobob asked "freedom of what"....well, what about we start we freedom of expression ? "The Hong Kong government has taken the unprecedented step of warning 180,000 employees they will face immediate suspension and other disciplinary action if they are arrested taking part in unlawful public activities." "In a letter addressed to all public servants on Friday, Secretary for the Civil Service Joshua Law Chi-kong said the government had “zero tolerance” for any of its employees joining illegal assemblies or breaching the anti-mask law." https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/3038005/hong-kong-protests-peaceful-friday-turns-violent-again-government Same happened at Cathay . There is no problem with freedom of expression but freedom of expression is not throwing a rock at a 70yo streetcleaner and then pouring petrol on him and setting him alight by these protesters. You will find that Government workers of many countries..... not only Hong Kong..... will be faced with immediate suspension or other disciplinary action if they are arrested taking part in unlawful public activities..... and so they should... they are breaking the law and even though employed by the Government are not above the law of the common citizen. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 1 minute ago, roobob said: There is no problem with freedom of expression but freedom of expression is not throwing a rock at a 70yo streetcleaner and then pouring petrol on him and setting him alight by these protesters. You will find that Government workers of many countries..... not only Hong Kong..... will be faced with immediate suspension or other disciplinary action if they are arrested taking part in unlawful public activities..... and so they should... they are breaking the law and even though employed by the Government are not above the law of the common citizen. cheers You really integrated very well in a military dictatorship... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, roobob said: There is no problem with freedom of expression but freedom of expression is not throwing a rock at a 70yo streetcleaner and then pouring petrol on him and setting him alight by these protesters. ... I've not seen any news reports that he was set on fire after being hit by a rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted November 16, 2019 Author Share Posted November 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Thai Spice said: You really integrated very well in a military dictatorship... lol.... and you are very naïve and one eyed in what is actually going...… to your last post above.....a question..... would a Government employee of the French Government be faced with immediate suspension or other disciplinary action if they are arrested taking part in unlawful public activities?? cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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