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1 minute ago, forcebwithu said:

I've not seen any news reports that he was set on fire after being hit by a rock.

Have a look at the link posted above.

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4 minutes ago, roobob said:

lol.... and you are very naïve and one eyed in what is actually going...… to your last post above.....a question..... would a Government employee of the French Government be faced with immediate suspension or other disciplinary action if they are arrested taking part in unlawful public activities??

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No, they wont. Otherwhile we wouldn't have a subway system, a railway system, anymore ...

Open your eyes... Recently french fire fighters clashed violently with riot police . 5th Dec a major demo is planned by French railway, etc...

It is called democracy.

 

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Or this one when fire fighters turned their back to the Mayor and walked away during an official ceremony ...

 

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26 minutes ago, roobob said:

Have a look at the link posted above.

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It wasn't the street cleaner that was set on fire. Different person, different day.

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6 minutes ago, forcebwithu said:

It wasn't the street cleaner that was set on fire. Different person, different day.

Correct.

 

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10 minutes ago, forcebwithu said:

It wasn't the street cleaner that was set on fire. Different person, different day.

You are correct... my wrong with my reading......but that does not excuse these law breaking protesters..... in fact it just enhances that their illegal actions are deplorable.

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30 minutes ago, roobob said:

@Thai Spice  ...…  anarchy and violence is not democracy.

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But democracy was born out of anarchy...

And BTW, HK demos is far, far.from anarchy !

 

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44 minutes ago, Thai Spice said:

But democracy was born out of anarchy...

And BTW, HK demos is far, far.from anarchy !

 

Not in my opinion.... anarchy it is.

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7 hours ago, Thai Spice said:

Fully agree. The problem is very deep and goes back several decades. HKG has always been ruled by a few tycoons, owning the city and its business and de facto having a very heavy weight in politics.

To put it simply, the rich dont worry...they will stay rich, the poor will stay poor, its the middle class that realizes they have little future, and none at all if they fall under Chinese rule.

There is ZERO hope of ever owning a house. And even owning a 400 sg ft flat is a non reachable dream for many.  Have a look at costs of rents or purchasing such a flat in HKG. 

 

 

I disagree. When I lived there a few decades ago, my Chinese business partner literally swam the Pearl river to escape and landed in Hong Kong with 1 wet shirt, period. When I met him a few years later, he had a thriving business and was quite wealthy.

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Look at the similarities....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-50424469

"There's a danger in France of reducing democracy to a small political game, where only those who want to be elected are playing, and the people are watching," he told me. "The gilets jaunes have again put this huge majority of people at the front of the stage."

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But even without changing the government's operation or agenda, the yellow vests have achieved a different political effect: a group of people who say they used to feel invisible have found a way to make their voices heard.

"For me personally, nothing much has changed," Stéphanie said. "But it was a great human adventure. We rediscovered generosity, solidarity; people woke up. We found a real family"

 

 

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6am here on a Sunday morning in the 852. 

This place is beyond f***d for many years now. The world's first 3 sided civil war is more than in an embryonic stage. 

I have a network of very diverse titans who have been here more than 40 years. Google this name...Steve Vickers. Shared a few bottles of nice Italian Red on Friday night and got some truly unreal insights from the guy who is about as close to the heartbeat as one can get. 

This place is beyond f***d! My call,....the real carnage is coming at HK Polytech University....only a matter of time now, and that time is nearer than anyone would like to think.

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On 11/16/2019 at 4:49 AM, Thai Spice said:

 

To put it simply, the rich dont worry...they will stay rich, the poor will stay poor, its the middle class that realizes they have little future, and none at all if they fall under Chinese rule.

 

 

Hate to contradict you, but nobody is more concerned and worried about the evolution of this deal than the wealthy elite. Nobody!

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Here is my least favorite moment of the  week.....a pregnant lady just going about her business trying to get to work on time.

You even look at the popo the wrong way now and they will beat the bejeezuz out of you. But same goes for the ninja....you even look at them funny and they will beat the shit out of you. Both sides more than battle fatiqued!

For the first time in my 25 plus years here, there is a genuine concern for personal safety when near conflict zone and the kicker is a spot can be business as normal one minute, and insta war zone the next. Just not cool....

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Police have besieged a university campus in Hong Kong occupied by protesters who have been fighting back with arrows and petrol bombs

Officers have warned that they could use live ammunition if protesters do not stop attacking them using such weapons.

FFS, this is supposed to be a first world police chief ?

The puppets at government and police are making every mistake possible in handling the situation.  The idea is to defuse the tension, not add to it ....

Things seems to turn worse and worse...

 

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And visibly I am not the only one to claim that it is the cops who are aggravating the situation :

 

LIVE

Hong Kong protests: radicals arrested as they attempt to escape from university campus

  • Protesters trapped inside Polytechnic University make several attempts to flee
  • Tear gas fired in Jordan and Tsim Sha Tsui, as lunchtime protest returns to Central
The PolyU campus is littered with trash. Photo: Felix WongThe PolyU campus is littered with trash. Photo: Felix Wong
SCMP Reporters
 

SCMP Reporters  

 

 
 
 

Hundreds of masked radicals and police officers remain locked in a stand-off at a Hong Kong university following more than 24 hours of unprecedented clashes, which saw live rounds being fired at two locations.

Radicals who stayed at the Polytechnic University campus in Hung Hom, despite repeated warnings to leave, started a massive fire at the school entrance to fend off police,   and detained a few at around 5.30am on Monday.

After 8am, the mob decided collectively to leave the campus en masse, but were quickly met by rounds of tear gas fired by police at several entrances. Some managed to escape, while others were forced to retreat.

, police urged everyone to leave the campus or risk “taking part in a riot”, and also vowed to resort to lethal weapons if protesters continue to attack officers. Those that did leave were arrested immediately. 
 

Follow our live coverage as events continue to unfold.

Reporting by Ng Kang-chung, Sum Lok-kei, Danny Mok, Karen Zhang, Chris Lau, Chan Ho-him, Brian Wong, Kathleen Magramo, Lilian Cheng, Martin Choi, Alvin Lum and Jeffie Lam.

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7:49PM
Police address incident of protesters taken away on train

At the police press conference earlier, Senior Superintendent Kong Wing-cheung of the Police Public Relations Branch addressed rumours that officers had taken away some protesters on Sunday by train.

He said at the time some 10 rioters were trying to escape from the Polytechnic University area and entered the tracks. Officers then took a train from Mong Kok to Hung Hom station where they caught the group. “They were taken away via train to a nearby station and then transferred to police stations for further handling,” Kong said.

 
Updated at 7:52PM
7:40PM
Mody Road march

On Mody Road, hundreds of people march among vehicles towards Polytechnic University, chanting “Go to PolyU; Save the students.”

Police fire tear gas on Science Museum Road, when the crowd gets there. The protesters retreat down Mody Road.

 

Hundreds of people are marching along Mody Road towards Polytechnic University, chanting "Go to PolyU, Save the students".

Video: SCMP/Karen Zhang

 
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Updated at 7:52PM
7:36PM
The current situation

Here is a brief overview of the outbreaks of unrest which are still going on. Today’s disturbances are centred around Tsim Sha Tsui and nearby Hung Hom.

On Chatham Road South in east Tsim Sha Tsui, tear gas is being fired at the junction with Cameron Road, while riot police sweep through in an attempt to clear roadblocks.

Meanwhile, a battle near Tsim Sha Tsui Police Station remains active. Police are aiming tear gas almost non-stop at protesters, who shield themselves behind umbrellas. A water cannon has arrived.

Hundreds of radical protesters are still on the campus of Polytechnic University, and police have called for them to hand themselves in. Outside the campus, crews from several ambulances are tending to injured people.

 
Updated at 7:37PM
7:29PM
Amnesty International Hong Kong says police ‘fanning the flames’

Tam Man-kei, director of Amnesty International Hong Kong criticises police’s strategy on handling the PolyU situation. 

“By laying siege to Polytechnic University and firing tear gas and rubber bullets at people trying to flee, police are yet again fanning the flames of violence when they should be trying to defuse it,” he says.

“It is police’s responsibility to de-escalate this situation, but instead of assisting injured protesters trapped at the university they are unlawfully arresting medics attempting to treat the wounded.”

 

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lol...Of course the protesters are just innocent of all things and are not aggravating the situation by arming themselves with weapons... making, storing and using petrol bombs…. setting fire to buildings...disrupting innocent citizens lives from going about their daily business with violence and destruction that has led to deaths......lol 

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Well, at least Bejing has now made clear that they dont give a shit about the HKG rule of law and juridiction, as well as the Basic Law agreement.

China slams Hong Kong court’s ruling of anti-mask law as unconstitutional, says only Beijing can decide on constitutionality

  • China’s top legislative affairs body says only Beijing has right to decide on issues of constitutionality after High Court rules mask ban contravenes Basic Law
  • Analysts say Beijing is likely to intervene with one saying authorities expected to ‘act very soon’
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Well, the result is there....

It is indeed a minor election, but the result is symbolic. The Pro Bejing party has been swept away, by democratic vote. 

This is not gonna change things overnight but is a major signal of the feelings of the majority concerning the actual pro Bejing puppets governing HKG.

And again, without a very strong and violent movement this would never have happened. 

Hong Kong elections: tsunami of disaffection washes over city as pro-Beijing camp left reeling by record turnout and overwhelming defeat

  • By 9am, pro-democracy camp has won 17 out of 18 district councils, all of which were previously under pro-establishment control

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3039151/hong-kong-elections-tsunami-disaffection-washes-over-city

Them youngsters have done an outstanding job.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3039170/hong-kong-election-takeaways-has-pan-democrat-domination

 

 

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Some would point the finger at the protesters as the main protagonists in instigating the violence, but a bit of searching on the internet calls into question that assumption. Using a keyword search on "hong kong protest timeline" found this article from Amnesty International.

Patterns of repression: Timeline of the 2019 Hong Kong protests

Mass protests arose in Hong Kong in April 2019, worsening from 9 June onward, initially over proposed legislative amendments that would have allowed for extradition to mainland China. The protests have continued at least weekly, and often daily, ever since.

In response, the Hong Kong Police Force has frequently resorted to indiscriminate and unlawful use of less lethal weapons, such as tear gas, and has engaged in a clear pattern of unnecessary and excessive force during arrests of protesters. Police abuses appear to have steadily worsened over the course of the protests.

The vast majority of protesters have been peaceful, but protester violence appears to be escalating alongside excessive use of force by the police.   Protests at Hong Kong’s airport turned violent, and protesters have also broken into the Legislative Council Complex and vandalised Mass Transit Railway (MTR) stations. This violence has been seen to increase alongside the government’s failure to address public demands and the police’s consistent use of excessive force.

Amnesty International has monitored events on the ground and through verifying photographic and video evidence that it has been sent directly and that has been posted online. An Amnesty International field investigation team in early September interviewed people with first-hand information of police abuses, including 21 people arrested during the protests, and also directly observed an indiscriminate and reckless police responses to protests during the evenings of 7 and 8 September.

The overall picture is clear: The Hong Kong Police Force has committed pervasive human rights violations as a state actor in responding to the protests and is not in a position to investigate itself and to remedy the widespread unlawful suppression of protests.

Amnesty International is urgently calling for an effective independent, impartial investigation aimed at delivering truth, justice, and reparation, as there is little trust in existing internal mechanisms and the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC).

 

When peaceful protests are met with tear gas and rubber bullets, escalation of the violence on both sides was inevitable.

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1 hour ago, forcebwithu said:

When peaceful protests are met with tear gas and rubber bullets, escalation of the violence on both sides was inevitable.

The 2014 umbrella movement "Occupy Central" was completely a peacefull "sit in". It was the police who attacked first with teargas grenades.

Later on, the government promised to listen to the revendications of the demonstrators, and when after 2 months the movement was peacefully stopped, first thing the police did was to throw the leaders in jail . Hence the recent movement was "leaderless" to avoid this. 

Next step was to disqualify the few young opposition guys that where elected in LEGCO. 

Google it, plenty documentation about it.

 

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