Chinese crap products, i've had enough !!!

[Zambo]

32 minutes ago, KhunDon said:

The Chinese DO NOT pay their employees 1 months paid holiday each year, especially not employees who have only worked for them for 1 year, which, as you admitted, would have been ALL your 900 employees  

And you admitted to working your employees 4 hours longer each day then the normal working day. 

https://www.e-days.com/holiday-compliance-guide/apac/china

Me thinks I did strike a nerve and my “bias” is shared by half the world regarding how the Chinese government treat their own people. Or worse, how they let foreigners treat their people. 
You must have been wearing blinkers all the time you spent in China FFS!

“First, the Communist Government had nothing to do with our hiring as we used private agency's”

Are you for real! Everything done in China is done under the supervision of the communist government. Including the backhanders given to local officials by those “agents” you refer too to be able to hire workers and operate any business.

 

1 or 900 makes no difference, it’s how you treat them. 
Stop 😭😭😭

Its about extra salary not holiday

In China, it is customary to pay a 13th-month salary during the month of the Lunar New Year or Spring Holiday.

We pay this 13th month bonus in Taiwan and Singapore.

[KhunDon]

37 minutes ago, Zambo said:

Its about extra salary not holiday

In China, it is customary to pay a 13th-month salary during the month of the Lunar New Year or Spring Holiday.

We pay this 13th month bonus in Taiwan and Singapore.

Customary, but not mandated by Chinese labour laws and as I understand it, only for employees who have been employed for more than one year. 

[Mrmango]

1 hour ago, KhunDon said:

 

https://www.e-days.com/holiday-compliance-guide/apac/china

If you bothered to read my post I said that I had my business in China in the 90's while your site lists the supposed "Rules" for current employee wages.

1 hour ago, KhunDon said:

Me thinks I did strike a nerve and my “bias” is shared by half the world regarding how the Chinese government treat their own people. Or worse, how they let foreigners treat their people. 
You must have been wearing blinkers all the time you spent in China FFS!

Nerve? All you did is show your prejudge toward China.

When I lived in Jomtiem Beach, my Dentist worked 12 hors a day, 6 days a week, with her husband who is a MD who worked the dame hours.

That was standard working hours in Asia at the time.

1 hour ago, KhunDon said:

“First, the Communist Government had nothing to do with our hiring as we used private agency's”

Are you for real! Everything done in China is done under the supervision of the communist government. Including the backhanders given to local officials by those “agents” you refer too to be able to hire workers and operate any business.

You obviously have no experience with China and your statement is obviously false. They NEVER tried to have any interference with my business.

1 hour ago, KhunDon said:

 

1 or 900 makes no difference, it’s how you treat them. 

And I have treated every employee with respect my entire life.

[Mrmango]

11 minutes ago, KhunDon said:

Customary, but not mandated by Chinese labour laws and as I understand it, only for employees who have been employed for more than one year. 

Thank you for admitting I was correct.

[KhunDon]

58 minutes ago, Mrmango said:

Thank you for admitting I was correct.

Once again you interpreted what I said incorrectly. 
Read what I wrote or get a responsible adult to read it to you. 
“CUSTOMARY BUT NOT MANDATED by Chinese government laws, and only for employees of more than a year. You wrote the employees left after a year, to go home. 

You employed workers in mid 90’s and the government enacted their new labour laws in 1995 and that law was a standard working week of 40 hours, you said that your employees worked and I quote “When I had my factory there in the 90's I paid them $90USD a month, 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, including a dorm room and food.”

Am I to assume that you paid them overtime for the extra 32 hours a week? 
I can bet money that you didn’t. 

I don’t like the Chinese communist government, that’s obvious, I think they are a corrupt pile of steaming 💩but yet again you seem to mix the Chinese Government with the Chinese people. Not once have I said anything bad about the people, just the government and the way it treats huge swathes of the population, which you’re blind to. 
 

WTF does a self employed dentist who keeps everything he earns in Thailand, got to do with Chinese factory workers FFS!

Edited July 13, 2024 by KhunDon

[KhunDon]

“If you bothered to read my post I said that I had my business in China in the 90's while your site lists the supposed "Rules" for current employee wages”

I did read your post and my post was based on the 1995 labour rules on pay and hours, as is my previous post.   

You told us you employed them in 1995, the same years your workers worked an extra 32 hours a week over the legal requirement. 

The Chinese government also enacted new minimum wage rules in 2004 but I expect you’d taken your money and run by then. 😉

 

 

[KhunDon]

This is the Chinese government that you seem to applaud. 
NOTE,  I WROTE GOVERNMENT not people. 

https://www.voanews.com/a/china-human-rights-record-comes-under-un-scrutiny/7451961.html#

https://www.opendoors.org/en-US/persecution/countries/china/
 

https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/china/tibet/
 

https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/countries/china/chinese-persecution-of-the-uyghurs
 

I could list many, many more atrocities committed by the Chinese government, but I suspect you’re only interested in money made by you in China and are blind to what the Chinese communist government does to those that disagree with them. 

No doubt in the next few years Taiwan will fall under their sword as well with huge loss of life if China follows its stated aim of invading their island territory to make it part of China. 

[Freee!!]

27 minutes ago, KhunDon said:

[...]
No doubt in the next few years Taiwan will fall under their sword as well with huge loss of life if China follows its stated aim of invading their island territory to make it part of China. 

That will happen if Trump will be elected in November this year, it certainly won't happen if Biden will be elected nor when he is (almost inevitably) succeeded by Kamala Harris.

[Mrmango]

4 hours ago, KhunDon said:

You told us you employed them in 1995, the same years your workers worked an extra 32 hours a week over the legal requirement. 

I did not say 1995.

4 hours ago, KhunDon said:

The Chinese government also enacted new minimum wage rules in 2004 but I expect you’d taken your money and run by then. 😉

Of course, I sold the factory in 1992 as I remember.

[Mrmango]

3 hours ago, Freee!! said:

3 hours ago, KhunDon said:

No doubt in the next few years Taiwan will fall under their sword as well with huge loss of life if China follows its stated aim of invading their island territory to make it part of China. 

That will happen if Trump will be elected in November this year, it certainly won't happen if Biden will be elected nor when he is (almost inevitably) succeeded by Kamala Harris.

Please lets keep politics out of this section.

[Mrmango]

3 hours ago, KhunDon said:

This is the Chinese government that you seem to applaud. 
NOTE,  I WROTE GOVERNMENT not people. 

https://www.voanews.com/a/china-human-rights-record-comes-under-un-scrutiny/7451961.html#

https://www.opendoors.org/en-US/persecution/countries/china/
 

https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/china/tibet/
 

https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/countries/china/chinese-persecution-of-the-uyghurs
 

I could list many, many more atrocities committed by the Chinese government, but I suspect you’re only interested in money made by you in China and are blind to what the Chinese communist government does to those that disagree with them. 

No doubt in the next few years Taiwan will fall under their sword as well with huge loss of life if China follows its stated aim of invading their island territory to make it part of China. 

First, please keep politics out of this section and keep the discussion civil.

Second, let me be clear, I have no love for the Chinese Government and I was advised in no uncertain terms by my Chinese partner to NEVER say anything negative about them when in China, and I did not.

You obviously hate me, which is your right, but you also must equally hate Walmart, Apple, Target, etc., etc., etc. that does business with China like I did. 

 

[Mrmango]

4 hours ago, KhunDon said:

I don’t like the Chinese communist government, that’s obvious, I think they are a corrupt pile of steaming 💩but yet again you seem to mix the Chinese Government with the Chinese people. Not once have I said anything bad about the people, just the government and the way it treats huge swathes of the population, which you’re blind to.

Please stop your hate for me block your reasoning. I am, nor ever have been blind to what the Chinese Government does to its people and of course blind to what the US Government does to its people it dislikes.

4 hours ago, KhunDon said:

 
 

WTF does a self employed dentist who keeps everything he earns in Thailand, got to do with Chinese factory workers FFS!

Obviously it shows the prevailing working hours and conditions in Southeast Asia at the time.

[KhunDon]

First, I don’t hate you, I pity you. Hate is just a waste of energy and not something I ever indulge in. 
You went in to China to make money off the backs of its people and that alone is inexcusable. 
 

Second, China is all about politics or hadn’t you noticed. You said yourself that you were advised not to say anything bad about the government, but still knowing that, you decided to go in and make money from the citizens who, like yourself, were not allowed to criticise their own government for fear of serious repercussions. 

Third. “Of course, I sold the factory in 1992 as I remember”

So you did take your money and run then.😉

Fourth. There is absolutely no comparison between a self employed dentist in Thailand and factory workers in communist China.

One is self employed and makes very good money and can choose what hours he works, while the other isn’t and doesn’t. The hours are immaterial. 
 

Fifth. The last time I looked, China is not one of the 11 countries that form SE Asia, so your working hours comparison doesn’t apply, neither does your comparison between Chinese government and the American government. Here’s why, I’ve not yet heard of the US rounding up over 1 million citizens and incarcerating them for years without trial or access to legal counsel. 

I could go on, but it’s time for bed, have a nice day. 👌

Edited July 13, 2024 by KhunDon

[Mrmango]

3 hours ago, KhunDon said:

First, I don’t hate you, I pity you. Hate is just a waste of energy and not something I ever indulge in. 
You went in to China to make money off the backs of its people and that alone is inexcusable. 

Yes or no, Do you pity all of the other Company's that make products in China? Walmart, target, Apple etc?

 

[lazarus]

All the tea in China...

 

[Glasseye]

I recently bought a packet of pens. Turned out to be absolute shit. I should have known better. A Chinese product.

[Zambo]

On 7/14/2024 at 2:14 PM, Glasseye said:

I recently bought a packet of pens. Turned out to be absolute shit. I should have known better. A Chinese product.

But you did know... I guess you bought a packet not because you were starting on a 1000 page novel, but you just wanted to sign a few forms and thought a single pen might not get you there. Hopefully out of the full packet you got your task done and at a reasonable cost.