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On 12/28/2019 at 9:19 AM, tommy dee said:

i just bought tanks yesterday  matey.  suggest u buy now.  our regualr builders yard was 3100 for a 1000 litre tank.. others are asking 4500 and i reckon they will b asking more soon.  as longas you have a pump all u need is a 300  banht HD ballcock, the rest is simple piping.  doin one tomorrow as a prototype

Are you putting any kind of filter on your collection system?

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there is nothing they can do.  no water is no water.  what they will do is reduce water pressure,  try to protect industry that needs it and say lots of prayers.  next will be zoning where each area only gets water once every 2 days or so.  the water will eventually become brown from the pipes, certainly woldnt be drinking tap water right now from the water company.

there is no magic fix tho.  if you own a house, install strage tanks, more than u have now, and a filtration system too.   we will all still be here after the hot season, just maybe less clean ')

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35 minutes ago, tommy dee said:

there is nothing they can do.  no water is no water.  what they will do is reduce water pressure,  try to protect industry that needs it and say lots of prayers.  next will be zoning where each area only gets water once every 2 days or so.  the water will eventually become brown from the pipes, certainly woldnt be drinking tap water right now from the water company.

there is no magic fix tho.  if you own a house, install strage tanks, more than u have now, and a filtration system too.   we will all still be here after the hot season, just maybe less clean ')

Trucking in water ? Barges with water ?

Both feasible, but requires serious planning and organization (😁😁😁) and is costly.

Or charter / rent a floating desalinisation plant. It all exist and is used during humanitarian catastrophes.

https://www.waterworld.com/drinking-water/treatment/article/16215174/floating-desalination-vessel-nearing-first-commercial-roll-out

http://www.environor.com/floating-desalination-vessel-fdv/

Google for floating or mobile desalinisation plant / vessel. 

Of course, probably not Pattaya city hall first priority.

 

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48 minutes ago, Thai Spice said:

Trucking in water ? Barges with water ?

Both feasible, but requires serious planning and organization (😁😁😁) and is costly.

Or charter / rent a floating desalinisation plant. It all exist and is used during humanitarian catastrophes.

https://www.waterworld.com/drinking-water/treatment/article/16215174/floating-desalination-vessel-nearing-first-commercial-roll-out

http://www.environor.com/floating-desalination-vessel-fdv/

Google for floating or mobile desalinisation plant / vessel. 

Of course, probably not Pattaya city hall first priority.

 

30K metres a day.. thats your processors max...thats enuf for 2 processing facotires.  i guess they could buy a hundred and keep it working that way :)

FYI  Pattaya central, not outskirts, uses 200K metres of water a day, thats no industry, no dark side etc   

 

and would u drink the water in pattaya bay?  

 

 

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Just now, tommy dee said:

30K metres a day.. thats enuf for 2 processing facotires.  i guess they could buy a hundred and keep it working that way 🙂

FYI  Pattaya central, not outskirts, uses 200K metres of water a day, thats no industry, no dark side etc   

 

 

Set priorities.

Set limits, rotation per sector, close non vital places, etc...

The water from the desal plant is in addition to (reduced) take from the lake.

Of course if they wait till the lake runs dry before starting to think....

Anyway...

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2 minutes ago, Thai Spice said:

Set priorities.

Set limits, rotation per sector, close non vital places, etc...

The water from the desal plant is in addition to (reduced) take from the lake.

Of course if they wait till the lake runs dry before starting to think....

Anyway...

SORRY MATEY, I KNOW YOU dont live here  but the lakes are EMPTY.. what you see is what has to remain in them  ( ask an engineer).  our water currently comes from piped in supplies from rivers that are themselves nearly dry.    idf it was a ssimple as you write, then it would be done.  but the units you showed produce about enough for 2 factories that produce power..  and cant ever be turned off.  the pattaya region uses 350K metres a day  incl outskirts..  ,  trucking in is a joke, but u knew that.  bowsers will still sell water but u wont know where it comes from msot fo the time.  city hall has been on this issue internally for months.  we were told years ago there was a contigency plan.  who knows.  but it wont be 100 desalination vessels regurgiating what ever is in the bay.  maybe you can lay on a pipe from your gaff, do an elon musk thingy 😉 

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I'm disappointed (but not at all surprised) that there aren't measures in place already to conserve water. I bet 95% of the people in my condo development know nothing of the problem, and so will be doing nothing to ease up on consumption. 

It seems to be the Thai way - address a problem only when it hits you in the face, even though you've seen it coming. 

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32 minutes ago, Bazle said:

I'm disappointed (but not at all surprised) that there aren't measures in place already to conserve water. I bet 95% of the people in my condo development know nothing of the problem, and so will be doing nothing to ease up on consumption. 

It seems to be the Thai way - address a problem only when it hits you in the face, even though you've seen it coming. 

An immediate ban on people washing their bum before an injection for starters!

 

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if they sorted things out properly in city and dub big holes and made then into hug holding tanks then put in tbms to bore tunnels under city with out digging up roads and put pumping stations in along was they could get all the rain water and put it back and plus invest in a filter plant to then it would sort thsi.but this is thailand they dont want to or say it coast to much to do.so thsi will happen every year.

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Time for another bi-weekly update on the shrinking Mabprachan Reservoir. For this update the Google Earth screenshot below has markers that identify where a picture was taken. It will also give you a good idea of how much water has been lost from the reservoir. Satellite image is from Nov 5, 2018.
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Best estimate, down another 1/2 m from the last update on 26 December. 
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Pic 2: Pretty soon the pumping station will be sucking more sand than water.
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This water intake has been left high and dry for some time now.
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Pic 3: The water in the channel is now shallow enough to walk across, but the problem is you'd be up to your knees in mud.
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Pic 4: Hard to see in this pic, but you can now walk, or in my case ride a mtn bike to the island without getting wet. 
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Pic 5: A small waterfall where once was a lake.
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Pic 6: You can now walk to the fishing camp that once required a boat to access. 
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Pic 9: View from the north side of what's left of the reservoir.
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Pic 11: Standing near the north end of what remains of the main body of water in the reservoir. I'll mark how far the water has receded in future updates.
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Pic 12: Rode out to a point near the middle of the reservoir that used to underwater.
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Pic 13: Another path you can walk or ride out into the middle of the reservoir.
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Pic 14: View from the end of that path.
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Pic 16: Looks like they increased the height of the retaining wall of the pond.
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1 hour ago, tommy dee said:

living close as I do, wea re all speculating in my local, how long ti will be until they discover bodies with weights tied to them 😉

I'd say that is rather unlikely with the sea so near. Besides that, the first ones should have been found by now (not all bodies end up at the deepest point).

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Seventeen days since the last update so time for another shrinking Mabprachan Reservoir update. Here's the Google Earth overview of the route this morning with markers where the pictures were taken (Satellite image Nov 5, 2018).
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Down another .5m since 11 January.
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Pic 4: The lake now supports two modes of transportation.
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Pic 6: I think we'll soon be able to see just how deep the channel is to the pumping station.
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Pic 7: What remains in this pocket of water is too small for the big blue pump. They're now using a smaller pump just on the other side of the big pump.
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Pic 8: As it turns out I didn't need to use the rickety log bridge. There was a land bridge on the other side of the pump in the above picture that allowed me to ride my mtn bike to the other side.
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Pic 9: All that's left of the lake in parts is a marsh.
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Pic 11: The lake has receded enough so I could ride my mtn bike across the lake bed to the other side.
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Pic 12: The fishing camp is now high and dry.
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For comparison, the fishing camp on 11 November, view is from the other side of the camp in the above picture.
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Pic 13: Last time the water was this low was September, 2015. That year it was only one month until the start of the rainy season. This year we're eight months from any appreciable amount of rain.
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Same view from September, 2015.
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Pic 18: This is the view of the current northern edge of the main body of water left in the reservoir.
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Pic 20: Let's see how far out I can get on the bike.
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Pic 21: The ground is a bit soft and mushy in spots, but still rideable.
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Pic 22: Made it to the other side.
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Pic 23: Not much water left to pump into the retaining pond on the edge of the reservoir.
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At the current rate of water consumption, my guess is we have at most two months of water left in the reservoir.
The Chonburi government really needs to act now to protect what little remains of the main water supply for Pattaya, and pigs may fly.

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Did a bit of internet sleuthing and found this document with a list of reservoirs and their users. Turns out there are nine that provide water to Pattaya.

Wish I could task a satellite for real time imagery, but as I'm retired CIA I guess I'll have to do it the old fashion way with feet on the ground to get pics of the current water levels.

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added Nong Kho Reservoir
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More internet sleuthing led me to an article in the Bangkok Post from 2014 that made for interesting reading.
Running taps a pipe dream in Pattaya

And from that article...
"Mr Wanchai said East Water only delivers raw water to treatment plants run by the PWA in Pattaya. At that point, the company’s responsibility ends, and it is up to the PWA to take care of the infrastructure which processes the raw water and delivers it to people’s homes."

"Pattaya water is sourced from five different natural reservoirs, while the PWA also has the contract to buy raw water from East Water in case water from the reservoirs is not enough to meet demand.
Mr Wanchai from East Water explained that Chon Buri usually suffers more shortages than neighbouring Rayong province since the water reservoir in the area is small and unable to feed the whole town at the same time."

Looking at the the East Water website I found this image of the water grid. Keep in mind this grid doesn't show the infrastructure PWA uses to source water from the reservoirs under their control.
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Even more interesting was the Water Volume of a Reservoir that shows the current storage volume as of 20 January. Not looking good for us.
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There's also another page called the Weekly Water Situation. Even though it says weekly, the last report was as of 17 January. Lots of pretty graphs in the situation report. The one that caught my eye was this one that lists water volume as of the 17th at 88.29 Million Cubic Meters (MCM). If I'm reading the chart correctly the target for this month was 240 MCM, but at 88 MCM that puts us in the Severe Water Shortage Warning band.
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The weekly water situation report as of 31 January has been posted on the EW site (link). In the week since their last update the reservoirs are down about 6 million cubic meters. Assuming the trend is linear that means we have about seven weeks before we hit the minimum storage volume of 31 MCM.

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10 hours ago, forcebwithu said:

The weekly water situation report as of 31 January has been posted on the EW site (link). In the week since their last update the reservoirs are down about 6 million cubic meters. Assuming the trend is linear that means we have about seven weeks before we hit the minimum storage volume of 31 MCM.

A dry Songkran?

 

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I pass 5 car wash on taking my son to school 5 days a week and all are still operating.

I am not suggesting that the government shut them down ( it the guys living ).

But if I run one I would be very concerned.

JDM

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