RR007 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Was all over the news last night apparently the legislation was passed in 2016 but will be introduced in May this year Having read all the articles this will fan an explosive black market for rolling tobacco from outside the EU....... So in short from May because we're in transistion period we still abide to EU law meaning sale is withdrawn....... However obviously 1st Jan 2021 it can go back on sale but not in the entire eurozone. You wont be able to buy in super cheap places like Bulgaria (as I did last summer) Poland Romania etc etc....note banned for sale but not illegal Baccy coming in from the Emirates will be like gold dust make no mistake. Menthol cigarettes are gone as well https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7845451/Menthol-cigarettes-banned-UK-2020.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR007 Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 Suppose the nearest place to get around it would be Tenerife ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondropkid Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I'm a non-smoker so not really followed this story but to my outsider's eye the story doesn't seem clear cut. Are all forms of rolling tobacco being banned, or just those that contain menthol? (admittedly I'm ignorant as to whether there is such a thing) Some of the pieces I've just been reading suggest the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR007 Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Lemondropkid said: I'm a non-smoker so not really followed this story but to my outsider's eye the story doesn't seem clear cut. Are all forms of rolling tobacco being banned, or just those that contain menthol? (admittedly I'm ignorant as to whether there is such a thing) Some of the pieces I've just been reading suggest the latter. I read it as all rolling tobacco to be honest. Am guessing this will surface pretty quickly elsewhere so will keep an eye on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR007 Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 No I think its all rolling tobacco. Note the full stop at start of screenshot after "2020" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondropkid Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, RR007 said: No I think its all rolling tobacco. Note the full stop at start of screenshot after "2020" Thanks I saw that, but then found more specific text " UK Menthol ban will include click dual flavoured cigarettes New tobacco laws will see flavoured cigarettes banned next year. Menthol cigarettes are currently in a four-year phasing-out period, which started in May 2016 and will be completed by May 20, 2020. The ban will also see the production of click dual cigarettes – such as Sterling Dual – that change from normal to menthol, stopped. Deborah Arnott, chief executive of Action on Smoking and Health, said the new rules will mean that “no person may produce or supply cigarettes or hand rolling tobacco with: (a) a filter, paper, package, capsule or other component containing flavourings; (b) a filter, paper or capsule containing tobacco or nicotine; or (c) a technical feature allowing the consumer to modify the smell, taste, or smoke intensity of the product.” Source from the anti-smoking group ASH https://ash.org.uk/media-and-news/ash-daily-news/ash-daily-news-for-9-october-2019/ Edited January 3, 2020 by Lemondropkid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR007 Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 yes i agree looks like its specifically menthol related gear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondropkid Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just now, RR007 said: yes i agree looks like its specifically menthol related gear Still not feel 100% sure, but that seems to be the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krapow Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) Those that sell the blackmarket tabacco at the likes of Kilburn High Road or the various markets will be loving this. Edited January 3, 2020 by Krapow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stillearly Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 3 hours ago, RR007 said: Suppose the nearest place to get around it would be Tenerife ?? Isn't that Spain ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy dee Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 EU laws, no longer a concern to the UK. f me sideways, half the people I know are omn old holborn or golden virgin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR007 Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stillearly said: Isn't that Spain ? Edited January 3, 2020 by RR007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR007 Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 ^^^ So yes wouldnt have mattered anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR007 Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 33 minutes ago, tommy dee said: EU laws, no longer a concern to the UK. f me sideways, half the people I know are omn old holborn or golden virgin. lol theres a bloody great thread within Liverpool going on. They are having a meltdown lol. It is as Lemondropkid says I think just menthol related baccy and Cigs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 If there's no baccy then there's no need for shop to stock rolling papers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lirchenfeld Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) Under EU law it is only a ban against adding menthol and other flavours to tobacco. If there is a ban rolling tobacco in general it is a locale UK law, that has nothing to do with the EU. The directive says : [...] 2) Ban on cigarettes and RYO with characterising flavours Cigarettes and RYO tobacco products may no longer have characterising flavours such as menthol, vanilla or candy that mask the taste and smell of tobacco(***). In the case of products with more than a 3% market share (e.g. menthol), the ban will apply as of 2020. A procedure for determining whether a tobacco product has a characterising flavour has been established, and an independent advisory panel will be set up to assist the Commission and Member States in this respect. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_16_1762 [...] (***) Other products, such as cigars, cigarillos and snus are exempt from this ban. Edited January 3, 2020 by Lirchenfeld 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lantern Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I'd imagine if it was all tobacco products then the tobacco lobby would be going ballistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyes4thais Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I don't care anymore, they cant smoke next to me in the pub, so i could not give a monkeys! I did not read article, But i would think it is logical to ban rolled tobacco because it is MORE dangerous and is widely used by the younger generation because it is affordable. Forcing smokers to buy expensive tailor made would encourage many more to quit. Win win. A friend of mine smoked roll up all his life, He died last yrs at 60. Menthol gives a false impression of being safer, and again attracts the younger generation, so a logical decision to ban it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelers4Life Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 ...and the smugglers shall prosper! Asian, Russian mobsters, and your various other rogue groups etc. have a very, very lucrative illegal industry here in the States smuggling cigarettes and loose tobacco from the southern States to the New York City area. Example: a pack of cigarettes cost about $5.25 USD in Virginia / a pack of cigarettes cost about $13.00 USD in New York City 1 tractor trailer (their preferred method of transport) can hold approx. 800 cases each containing 600 packs of cigarettes (480,000 packs) 480,000 packs x $5.25 a pack = $2,520,000 USD --- Sell them in NYC at a reduced rate of $10 a pack ($4,800,000 USD) and you have just made a profit of approx. $2,280,000 USD for 1 truckload. Illegal tobacco trafficking has a higher profit margin than cocaine, heroin, marijuana, or guns. according to the ATF here. No worries! You will get your loose tobacco from somewhere. 😀 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalliwag Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 It’s odd to someone smoke here now. Im trying to think of the last person I saw having a cigarette here,and I’m struggling to think of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR007 Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 6 hours ago, Lantern said: I'd imagine if it was all tobacco products then the tobacco lobby would be going ballistic. They did and extensively lobbied against it. Definately looks though like just all menthol cigs and flavoured rolling baccy. Still bound to hit a lot I'd imagine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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