KhunDon Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Horizondave said: My concern is how everybody would go about their business when it takes around 35 mins to charge a vehicle for a short ride distance of about 100 miles, a full charge can take about 8 hours. Everybody would have to have a charging point at their home location for this to work as charging around the country whilst traveling would see a complete gridlock surely. I think the overall aim is to take many cars off the street We are changing one of our cars early next year as it’s 3 years old by then. We have already chosen which model PHEV it will be and where our charge point will go. This will replace a petrol car, which the wife mainly uses to run our son around on local journeys. I’ve even chosen the model of charger (7kw) so a full charge would take around 1.5 hours and give a battery range of 30+ miles, (then the petrol motor kicks in) so around a third of her daily usage. The approximate cost of the charger is £900, but a government grant (£600) reduces the cost to around £300+ for us to pay. The problem will be for those houses that don’t have off street parking or driveways, or who live in hi rise apartments, usually with insufficient parking, where the hell do they charge their vehicles? Even with super fast chargers which are extremely expensive, you will still have people scrabbling around to find a charger every day, rather than filling up at a fuel pump a couple of times a week. The other elephant in the room, is what will the government replace their lost fuel tax receipts with, it will have to be raised by either higher VAT on electricity, or a pay per mile tax, or possibly a mix of the two. Let’s face it, here in the UK at least, governments have been crap at pricing/planning past or present infrastructure projects, (HS2) so the chances of them rolling out the required charging systems on time and on budget, are pretty remote, but that’s just my opinion. Edited February 6, 2020 by KhunDon 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondropkid Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, KhunDon said: The other elephant in the room, is what will the government replace their fuel tax receipts with, it will have to be raised by either higher VAT on electricity, or a pay per mile tax, or possibly a mix of the two That's a brilliant point, circa £28 billion hole to fill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunDon Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, Lemondropkid said: That's a brilliant point, circa £28 billion hole to fill There are approximately 25 million homes in the UK, most of which will be screaming to have Off Peak electric meters fitted, not to mention the business that will want off peak power for their vehicles. 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Can just imagine the "Smart motorways" with no hard shoulder in the UK will become even more of a death trap with dozens of abandoned cars that ran out of charge. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 6 hours ago, bexwell said: You can burn a house down you can't unburn it back up again. Five years ago scientists figured out how to unboil an egg. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondropkid Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, KhunDon said: There are approximately 25 million homes in the UK, most of which will be screaming to have Off Peak electric meters fitted, not to mention the business that will want off peak power for their vehicles. 🤔 Time to buy shares in the manufacturers 😀 Guess one certainty is the government will keep ramping up the petrol fuel duty, probably punitively on the remaining second-hand cars. Edited February 7, 2020 by Lemondropkid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Nobody spoke yet about the O&G industry lobby ? I suppose they will do everything they can for this not to happen or at least to delay it forever ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondropkid Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Thai Spice said: Nobody spoke yet about the O&G industry lobby ? I suppose they will do everything they can for this not to happen or at least to delay it forever ? Don't think the O&G industry has the same leverage in the UK- take the UK government banning fracking (well pausing anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexwell Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 13 hours ago, bexwell said: I used to have a Renault Megane and the electrics on that were a nightmare. But it was brilliant on diesel. 166 mile drive from a cold start, I reset it before I set off. A remapped 1.9dci 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coxyhog Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 On a long motorway run I can get anything up to 32mpg from my 5.5L V8 petrol.Short run & it drops to 18-20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob lt Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, coxyhog said: On a long motorway run I can get anything up to 32mpg from my 5.5L V8 petrol.Short run & it drops to 18-20. So it's all your fault 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coxyhog Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, bob lt said: So it's all your fault Must be,what with my 1550cc bike as well....😈 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob lt Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, coxyhog said: Must be,what with my 1550cc bike as well....😈 My bike is an environmentally friendly 999cc, has 179 bhp though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coxyhog Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, bob lt said: My bike is an environmentally friendly 999cc, has 179 bhp though Ducati? About 89hp more than mine. Edited February 7, 2020 by coxyhog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob lt Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, coxyhog said: Ducati? About 89hp more than mine. Suzuki GSXR1000, cruising at legal speed can do 48 mpg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coxyhog Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Mine is a wonderful converter of fossil fuel to noise without the byproduct of horsepower..... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob lt Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, coxyhog said: Mine is a wonderful converter of fossil fuel to noise without the byproduct of horsepower..... Massey Ferguson sorry Harley Davidson? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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