COVID 19 GLOBAL

[Rompho Ray]

3 minutes ago, lazarus said:

There is no constitutional right to carry a disease, travel freely, or be required to prove absence of a heath condition.

That's not an answer to any of the remarks I made.  If you're conceding the point, just say that and we can stop wasting time.

Edited April 12, 2020 by Rompho Ray

[lazarus]

1 minute ago, Rompho Ray said:

From your text:  any citizen of the United States

How do you propose to establish that someone is a citizen of the United States, as required by the Constitution clause YOU QUOTED?

ID not required.

see:  https://www.eac.gov/sites/default/files/eac_assets/1/6/Federal_Voter_Registration_ENG.pdf

 

[Rompho Ray]

1 minute ago, lazarus said:

ID not required.

see:  https://www.eac.gov/sites/default/files/eac_assets/1/6/Federal_Voter_Registration_ENG.pdf

 

That's a state function, nothing to do with the federal Constitution.  

[lazarus]

7 minutes ago, Rompho Ray said:

That's not an answer to any of the remarks I made.  If you're conceding the point, just say that and we can stop wasting time.

Voting is a constitutional right.  It varies in application by state.

The requirement for other types of IDs in the context of COVID-19 -- referenced in a previous post -- is not protected by a specific constitutional right, however distasteful for many.

Follow along if you can.

Edited April 12, 2020 by lazarus

[Rompho Ray]

Just now, lazarus said:

Voting is a constitutional right .

For US citizens, as your own source correctly stated.

1 minute ago, lazarus said:

The requirement for other types of IDs in the context of COVID-19 -- referenced in a previous post -- is not protected by a specific constitutional right, however distasteful for many.

Reference the "previous post" so I can follow your scatterbrained "thought" process.

1 minute ago, lazarus said:

Follow along if you can.

I've refuted everything you posted, so I'm satisfied so far.

[Ivan the terrible]

11 hours ago, Horizondave said:

I would also hazard a guess (just a guess) that 19 NHS workers dying is not a normal situation occurring as part of their duties when dealing with their patients.

to be fair they could have acquired it in the community rather than whilst working....much more work required to seperate correlation from causation

[Mrmango]

1 hour ago, lazarus said:

A bit like (in the US) the push to require IDs to vote. From what I understand it's a constitutional right.

From what I remember, the US Constitution says no such thing.

[Thai Spice]

F.F.S.   Mangosteen back , and now we are on to American politics ?

Can't you boys open another thread for that ? Like in the political section ?

 

[Rompho Ray]

2 minutes ago, Mrmango said:

From what I remember, the US Constitution says no such thing.

The right to vote for American citizens is stipulated in several places, such as the 26th Amendment.  The fact that the right is circumscribed by requirements such as citizenship and age implies that some proof of the Constitutional requirements would be permissible. 

Unfortunately, liberals can only read the parts of the Constitution they like.  The parts they don't like apparently look like some version of "blah blah blah blah", or perhaps sound in their minds like the grownup voice trumpet sound from the Charlie Brown cartoons.

[Rompho Ray]

Just now, Thai Spice said:

F.F.S.   Mangosteen back , and now we are on to American politics ?

Your memory is clearly short.

Not sure where "lazarus" is coming from here, maybe everything but his brain got resurrected this time.

[Mrmango]

33 minutes ago, lazarus said:

Not necessary.

SEC. 2. No voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure shall be imposed or applied by any State or political subdivision to deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color.

source: https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=100&page=transcript

 

First, that is a statue, not a constitutional guaranteed right

Second, the law has nothing to do with voter law. It protects unequal treatment of people with different races and colors.

You cannot say that all blacks must have ID's but whites do not need them, but saying that everybody, regardless of race, must have one is ok. 

[Rompho Ray]

6 minutes ago, Mrmango said:

First, that is a statue, not a constitutional guaranteed right...etc.

As usual for liberals, the part that he DIDN'T emphasize is the important part:  on account of race or color.  Requiring an ID to vote would only be contrary to this statute if, for example, only minorities were asked for an ID (as you pointed out).  This is of course an idiotic notion, accounting for why liberals claim it.

Anyway, absent "lazaarus" returning from the dead yet again with some reason why this exchange is on-topic, I'm done with it.  

Edited April 12, 2020 by Rompho Ray

[galenkia]

10 minutes ago, Thai Spice said:

F.F.S.   Mangosteen back , and now we are on to American politics ?

Can't you boys open another thread for that ? Like in the political section ?

 

Every thread ends up with American politics being brought into it. 

It will kill this forum. 

[Rompho Ray]

1 minute ago, galenkia said:

Every thread ends up with American politics being brought into it. 

It will kill this forum. 

I agree.  Rip it out root and branch.

[Thai Spice]

1 minute ago, Rompho Ray said:

I agree.  Rip it out root and branch.

Go sleep, I asked mods already to delete or move all this Yankee shit.

Bonne nuit.

 

[Nickrock]

2 minutes ago, Thai Spice said:

Go sleep, I asked mods already to delete or move all this Yankee shit.

Bonne nuit.

 

At this time I will leave it here but any more political comment in here then you will have ignored my warning 

[Ivan the terrible]

18 minutes ago, galenkia said:

Every thread ends up with American politics being brought into it. 

It will kill this forum. 

it wont but it should be moved asap

[Krapow]

Sigh!

[Ivan the terrible]

Just now, Krapow said:

Sigh!

95% good now

[fygjam]

The moving finger writes; and, having writ, moves on:
nor all thy piety nor wit shall lure it back to cancel
half a line, nor all thy tears wash out a word of it.
-- Omar Khayyam

I guess Omar never posted on an internet forum!

 

[Ivan the terrible]

3 minutes ago, fygjam said:

The moving finger writes; and, having writ, moves on:
nor all thy piety nor wit shall lure it back to cancel
half a line, nor all thy tears wash out a word of it.
-- Omar Khayyam

I guess Omar never posted on an internet forum!

 

i dont think Omar had another section to put it in ..for fear of...

[Lemondropkid]

6 hours ago, Rompho Ray said:

A quick web search shows that this statistic is not usually published.  I can only wonder why.

Data is available in the UK from our Office of National Statistics for deaths of staff in the NHS.- they even branch off into which were suicides, so pretty granular and publicly available

Not something I'd choose to pore over myself at the present time.

I know myself what's happening first hand from friends and family working on the front line. Out of 32 London boroughs mine has the 3rd highest death rate, most of which are happening in a hospital 10 minutes walk from me.

A few months down the line, I'll be fascinated by an independent analysis of what we could have done better in the UK. Now just isn't the time.

 

Edited April 12, 2020 by Lemondropkid

[tommy dee]

17 hours ago, Rompho Ray said:

It's true that contact with animals exposes people to these viruses and bacteria.  However, your immune system is supposed to be able to handle contact with unknown antigens, and in fact it probably does that quite regularly.  It's statistical, there are plenty of viruses "normally" floating around in our world that some folks get sick from and others don't.

IMO, part of the problem is that people these days have been trying to live in an antiseptic world.  They clean their living space with germ-killers, and douse themselves with hand-sanitizers and antiseptic soaps.  That makes your immune system weak and sluggish to respond to challenges. 

If people hadn't all tried to live in hospital operating theaters their entire lives, would the virus be as bad as it has been?  I suspect not.

would make less sense to you too if you read up on the design of the virus, and how it differs from other flus etc in the way it attaches itself to us.  you can google it, and then maybe understand how this has got out of control.  lots of really clever people, not you or I or some twat with a youtube channel, have explained it very clearly.

[Horizondave]

4 hours ago, Ivan the terrible said:

to be fair they could have acquired it in the community rather than whilst working....much more work required to seperate correlation from causation

That is a fair point to make although reading the details of the majority of those who died it appears most were believed to have caught the disease directly from contact with covid 19 patients. Only a few did not have direct contact with covid 19 patients. 

I think though it highlights how dangerous this virus is as most of these sadly deceased were wearing protective gear.

Having 9 bus drivers die of covid 19 could also highlight close contact while doing their job although, yes, of course they could have caught the virus elsewhere.

Reality is though that people should understand that any contact, close or nearby to a covid 19 infected person is an unwanted situation. I feel more comfortable when at home than when I am working and I do deliver goods to hospitals as part of my job so being out and about gives us more chance of catching the virus.

Every day NHS workers are placed in a situation where not only are they in the vicinity of covid 19 patients many of them are expected to maintain direct contact with them even if they are wearing PPE.

They have always been heroes  to me but more so right now.

[galenkia]

Some of our amazing NHS staff who have died from the virus. 

RIP