COVID 19 GLOBAL

[roomark]

3 hours ago, Stillearly said:

596 dead see page 4

 

 

Priorities...

I wouldn't pay 3p for that shitrag I hope it goes bankrupt and the rest of the shitrags like it.

[Skalliwag]

4 hours ago, lazarus said:

Police: At least 10 killed in shooting rampage in Canada

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/police-at-least-10-killed-in-shooting-rampage-in-canada/ar-BB12Sq7P

Got 16 Apperently,including a cute RCMP officer.

Very odd for here.

Looks as though he was planning it for a while.

 

[code_slayer_bkk]

5 hours ago, Kathmandu said:

Well it's peanuts in the big scheme of things, when you consider the 5th largest economy in the world is agriculture driven and tourist driven. Seasonal and undocumented folks are filling those jobs and driving that part of the economy. We need them as we enter recovery.

Do you really think all of these illegal aliens are picking food in fields ?  

I sure don't .....

[Thai Spice]

Meanwhile in Bali....

Note that this is not my analyse, but it sure raises a few valid and interesting points. Lifted from an Indo forum.

A very interesting post on FB about Bali Herd immunity - not a specialist but some sound, logical thinking - worth a read: 
The link if you wish to read the original: https://www.facebook.com/groups/534295604134915/permalink/553089255588883/

My theory:
I strongly believe Bali has already developed “Herd Immunity”. The majority of Balinese have likely had or been highly exposed to Coronavirus and have developed antibodies and immunity to it.
We’ve travelled across the island and polled many people, there isn’t anyone here who knows a local Balinese person to have had Covid-19 or shows any symptoms at all since mid-March. There are only 10 people in isolation in the main hospital in Bali, mostly all imported cases.
Meanwhile, many are now reporting that Balinese and expats living here were extremely sick in January and February. But we’re healthy now.
What we need to prove that Bali has Herd Immunity:
1. We need the antibody test for all Balinese to show we’ve already been infected and have immunity. 
2. If you can help fund this and get these tests here, we can coordinate and have all Balinese tested through our village Banjar system. We have 99% voter turn out because of our Banjar system.
3. With proven herd immunity, we can open Bali again slowly. With a new tourism that focuses on sustainability, environmental and cultural protection.
Facts:
1. Only 2 people (Foreigners) have died in Bali from Covid-19. The first on March 11. Our hospitals have only had total 89 cases, the majority being foreigners or imported from other parts of Indonesia.
2. We have 2.5 million Chinese Tourists in Bali each year, a huge percentage were in Bali from December 2019 (peak Christmas/NYE) right up until February 5, 2020 (Chinese New Year). 10,000 Chinese tourists remained in Bali during the height of Chinese New Year as they could not get flights back to China when Indonesia banned flights to/from China on February 5.
3. We had direct flights to Wuhan, China up until February 5, 2020.
4. After peak Christmas and NYE, my daughter went back to school on January 6. More than half her classmates were away sick! There were only 12 out of out 26 kids in her class for 2 weeks. Santi fell ill with a hacking cough where she could hardly breathe because she coughed so hard. She still had enough energy to go to school and no fever.
5. She says everyone in her class had this cough. It then passed to the ENTIRE high school, down to elementary school, teachers and parents. At that time, I researched it and determined it was “Walking Pneumonia”. This was January 10-20 timing.
6. China announced the existence of Coronavirus on January 23.
7. On January 27, our extremely good friend died. He was a 65-year-old Balinese male with poor health conditions. He died by not being able to breathe. Immediately following, we had days of massive cremation ceremonies of 10,000-15,000 people packed like sardines in Kerobokan.
8. In January, there was a huge uptick in older people dying in our village. We went to many more cremations at that time (late Jan/early Feb). As these were older people with underlying health issues, it wasn’t shocking or treated as Coronavirus. Nor did we have any ability to test for Coronavirus at that time.
9. From February 14-29, we went into 2 full weeks of island-wide ceremonies called Sugi, Galungan and Kuningan. 4,000,000 Balinese would be huddled together on the floors or bales at temples, drinking communal Holywater, touching each other and going home to their remote villages to stay with their families.
10. For Balinese people, nobody would ever go to the doctor for a dry cough and fever.
11. If old people who had heart, lung or diabetes died, we wouldn’t have though it unusual.
12. And we share EVERYTHING! Especially Holywater at Temple. Can you imagine how dirty that is? Twenty of us Priests make the Holywater in containers that have never been washed with soap, we add bits of offerings that others have made including bits of string and flowers to the water. These individual containers are combined into The Holywater which we them add tap water that’s been smoked and in a ceramic urn that also has never been washed in generations. When I bless people, I bless 100 people with this same water. I splash them and give them this water to drink 3 times.
13. Only 8% of the Indonesian population are over 65 so it's a young population, average age is 29.
14. 76% smoke, mostly men.
15. Our average temperature is 28-30 Celsius
16. 90% of Balinese live in open air family compounds without any air conditioning.
17. Balinese have super strong immune systems as their gut microbiomes are exposed to all sorts of bacterial, dirt, etc. Did you read point #11?
Next steps - please comment below if you can help here:
1. We need the antibody test for all Balinese to show we’ve already been infected and have immunity. 
2. If you can help fund this and get these tests here, we can coordinate and have all Balinese tested through our village Banjar system. We have 99% voter turn out because of our Banjar system.
3. With proven herd immunity, we can open Bali again slowly. With a new tourism that focuses on sustainability, environmental and cultural protection.

[lazarus]

40 minutes ago, code_slayer_bkk said:

Do you really think all of these illegal aliens are picking food in fields ?  

I sure don't .....

Some info...

"...the Department of Agriculture estimates that about half of the nation's farmworkers are unauthorized, while 15 percent of those in construction lack papers – more than the share of legal immigrants in either industry. In the service sector, which would include jobs such as fast food and domestic help, the figure is about 9 percent..."

 

 

These U.S. industries can't work without illegal immigrants

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrants-us-jobs-economy-farm-workers-taxes/

[fygjam]

45 minutes ago, Thai Spice said:

Meanwhile in Bali....

Note that this is not my analyse, but it sure raises a few valid and interesting points. Lifted from an Indo forum.

A very interesting post on FB about Bali Herd immunity - not a specialist but some sound, logical thinking - worth a read: 
The link if you wish to read the original: https://www.facebook.com/groups/534295604134915/permalink/553089255588883/

My theory:
I strongly believe Bali has already developed “Herd Immunity”. The majority of Balinese have likely had or been highly exposed to Coronavirus and have developed antibodies and immunity to it.
We’ve travelled across the island and polled many people, there isn’t anyone here who knows a local Balinese person to have had Covid-19 or shows any symptoms at all since mid-March. There are only 10 people in isolation in the main hospital in Bali, mostly all imported cases.
Meanwhile, many are now reporting that Balinese and expats living here were extremely sick in January and February. But we’re healthy now.
What we need to prove that Bali has Herd Immunity:
1. We need the antibody test for all Balinese to show we’ve already been infected and have immunity. 
2. If you can help fund this and get these tests here, we can coordinate and have all Balinese tested through our village Banjar system. We have 99% voter turn out because of our Banjar system.
3. With proven herd immunity, we can open Bali again slowly. With a new tourism that focuses on sustainability, environmental and cultural protection.
Facts:
1. Only 2 people (Foreigners) have died in Bali from Covid-19. The first on March 11. Our hospitals have only had total 89 cases, the majority being foreigners or imported from other parts of Indonesia.
2. We have 2.5 million Chinese Tourists in Bali each year, a huge percentage were in Bali from December 2019 (peak Christmas/NYE) right up until February 5, 2020 (Chinese New Year). 10,000 Chinese tourists remained in Bali during the height of Chinese New Year as they could not get flights back to China when Indonesia banned flights to/from China on February 5.
3. We had direct flights to Wuhan, China up until February 5, 2020.
4. After peak Christmas and NYE, my daughter went back to school on January 6. More than half her classmates were away sick! There were only 12 out of out 26 kids in her class for 2 weeks. Santi fell ill with a hacking cough where she could hardly breathe because she coughed so hard. She still had enough energy to go to school and no fever.
5. She says everyone in her class had this cough. It then passed to the ENTIRE high school, down to elementary school, teachers and parents. At that time, I researched it and determined it was “Walking Pneumonia”. This was January 10-20 timing.
6. China announced the existence of Coronavirus on January 23.
7. On January 27, our extremely good friend died. He was a 65-year-old Balinese male with poor health conditions. He died by not being able to breathe. Immediately following, we had days of massive cremation ceremonies of 10,000-15,000 people packed like sardines in Kerobokan.
8. In January, there was a huge uptick in older people dying in our village. We went to many more cremations at that time (late Jan/early Feb). As these were older people with underlying health issues, it wasn’t shocking or treated as Coronavirus. Nor did we have any ability to test for Coronavirus at that time.
9. From February 14-29, we went into 2 full weeks of island-wide ceremonies called Sugi, Galungan and Kuningan. 4,000,000 Balinese would be huddled together on the floors or bales at temples, drinking communal Holywater, touching each other and going home to their remote villages to stay with their families.
10. For Balinese people, nobody would ever go to the doctor for a dry cough and fever.
11. If old people who had heart, lung or diabetes died, we wouldn’t have though it unusual.
12. And we share EVERYTHING! Especially Holywater at Temple. Can you imagine how dirty that is? Twenty of us Priests make the Holywater in containers that have never been washed with soap, we add bits of offerings that others have made including bits of string and flowers to the water. These individual containers are combined into The Holywater which we them add tap water that’s been smoked and in a ceramic urn that also has never been washed in generations. When I bless people, I bless 100 people with this same water. I splash them and give them this water to drink 3 times.
13. Only 8% of the Indonesian population are over 65 so it's a young population, average age is 29.
14. 76% smoke, mostly men.
15. Our average temperature is 28-30 Celsius
16. 90% of Balinese live in open air family compounds without any air conditioning.
17. Balinese have super strong immune systems as their gut microbiomes are exposed to all sorts of bacterial, dirt, etc. Did you read point #11?
Next steps - please comment below if you can help here:
1. We need the antibody test for all Balinese to show we’ve already been infected and have immunity. 
2. If you can help fund this and get these tests here, we can coordinate and have all Balinese tested through our village Banjar system. We have 99% voter turn out because of our Banjar system.
3. With proven herd immunity, we can open Bali again slowly. With a new tourism that focuses on sustainability, environmental and cultural protection.

 

And yet

Premier Mark McGowan has called a Rio Tinto contractor who recently travelled to Bali and has now tested positive to COVID-19 "selfish and irresponsible".

April 18, 2020 — 3.16pm

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/wa-premier-blasts-rio-tinto-contractor-who-has-tested-positive-after-bali-trip-20200418-p54l28.html

PS. At present there is NO RELIABLE antibody rapid screening test for Covid-19.

 

[Lemondropkid]

3 hours ago, roomark said:

Priorities...

I wouldn't pay 3p for that shitrag I hope it goes bankrupt and the rest of the shitrags like it.

 I'm not a Sun man like BM Stillearly 😉- enjoy the Saturday Times like BM Galenkia 🤑

Its a real concern that this crisis will see the end of some newspaper print editions. The Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden has been urging us buy papers for the good of the country

“Newspapers are at heart of the British media and essential to its vibrant mix. People across the country are rising to the coronavirus challenge and I suggest we all add one small thing to our to-do list: buy a paper.”

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2020/04/18/culture-secretary-urges-public-to-buy-a-paper-as-press-faces-crisis/

[dcfc2007]

23 minutes ago, Lemondropkid said:

 I'm not a Sun man like BM Stillearly 😉- enjoy the Saturday Times like BM Galenkia 🤑

Its a real concern that this crisis will see the end of some newspaper print editions. The Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden has been urging us buy papers for the good of the country

“Newspapers are at heart of the British media and essential to its vibrant mix. People across the country are rising to the coronavirus challenge and I suggest we all add one small thing to our to-do list: buy a paper.”

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2020/04/18/culture-secretary-urges-public-to-buy-a-paper-as-press-faces-crisis/

Personally I have no sympathy whatsoever for the gutter press and mainstream media.

[code_slayer_bkk]

Better yet....how could Fauci state in January, 2017 that “no doubt, Trump will be confronted with a surprise infectious disease”.

[Spacedog]

Can’t believe this country. Just wheeled out that maggot Tony Blair on the BBC for his expert opinion on the Covid virus and exit strategy. This man should be standing trial for war crimes for the ridiculous wars he dragged the country through. I never want to see this bloke again unless he is in the dock in front of a judge and jury.

[roomark]

1 hour ago, dcfc2007 said:

Personally I have no sympathy whatsoever for the gutter press and mainstream media.

Or me truly ...f**k the lot of them.

[fygjam]

46 minutes ago, code_slayer_bkk said:

Better yet....how could Fauci state in January, 2017 that “no doubt, Trump will be confronted with a surprise infectious disease”.

Definitely worth 2 hats.

Fauci continued saying

"...will tell the next administration that there's no doubt in anyone's mind that they will be faced with the challenges that their predecessors were faced with..."

Perhaps he was thinking of

• the 2003 SARS-1 (now called clasic SARS) outbreak.
• the 2009 H1N1 pandemic.
• the 2012 MERS outbreak.

It's a bugger when placed into context a (erroneous) quote fuks up a conspiracy.

But see for yourself

 

 

 

[tko]

17 hours ago, fygjam said:

I think there might be an agenda behind that article.

On the source pjmedia

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and on the author Matt Margolis

 

The numbers are from open sources, and indicate how localized the US problem is.  Here's another one:

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/

Click the "DEATHS" tab on the first "Coronavirus in the States" image. 

[Ivan the terrible]

5 hours ago, Thai Spice said:

Meanwhile in Bali....

Note that this is not my analyse, but it sure raises a few valid and interesting points. Lifted from an Indo forum.

A very interesting post on FB about Bali Herd immunity - not a specialist but some sound, logical thinking - worth a read: 
The link if you wish to read the original: https://www.facebook.com/groups/534295604134915/permalink/553089255588883/

My theory:
I strongly believe Bali has already developed “Herd Immunity”. The majority of Balinese have likely had or been highly exposed to Coronavirus and have developed antibodies and immunity to it.
We’ve travelled across the island and polled many people, there isn’t anyone here who knows a local Balinese person to have had Covid-19 or shows any symptoms at all since mid-March. There are only 10 people in isolation in the main hospital in Bali, mostly all imported cases.
Meanwhile, many are now reporting that Balinese and expats living here were extremely sick in January and February. But we’re healthy now.
What we need to prove that Bali has Herd Immunity:
1. We need the antibody test for all Balinese to show we’ve already been infected and have immunity. 
2. If you can help fund this and get these tests here, we can coordinate and have all Balinese tested through our village Banjar system. We have 99% voter turn out because of our Banjar system.
3. With proven herd immunity, we can open Bali again slowly. With a new tourism that focuses on sustainability, environmental and cultural protection.
Facts:
1. Only 2 people (Foreigners) have died in Bali from Covid-19. The first on March 11. Our hospitals have only had total 89 cases, the majority being foreigners or imported from other parts of Indonesia.
2. We have 2.5 million Chinese Tourists in Bali each year, a huge percentage were in Bali from December 2019 (peak Christmas/NYE) right up until February 5, 2020 (Chinese New Year). 10,000 Chinese tourists remained in Bali during the height of Chinese New Year as they could not get flights back to China when Indonesia banned flights to/from China on February 5.
3. We had direct flights to Wuhan, China up until February 5, 2020.
4. After peak Christmas and NYE, my daughter went back to school on January 6. More than half her classmates were away sick! There were only 12 out of out 26 kids in her class for 2 weeks. Santi fell ill with a hacking cough where she could hardly breathe because she coughed so hard. She still had enough energy to go to school and no fever.
5. She says everyone in her class had this cough. It then passed to the ENTIRE high school, down to elementary school, teachers and parents. At that time, I researched it and determined it was “Walking Pneumonia”. This was January 10-20 timing.
6. China announced the existence of Coronavirus on January 23.
7. On January 27, our extremely good friend died. He was a 65-year-old Balinese male with poor health conditions. He died by not being able to breathe. Immediately following, we had days of massive cremation ceremonies of 10,000-15,000 people packed like sardines in Kerobokan.
8. In January, there was a huge uptick in older people dying in our village. We went to many more cremations at that time (late Jan/early Feb). As these were older people with underlying health issues, it wasn’t shocking or treated as Coronavirus. Nor did we have any ability to test for Coronavirus at that time.
9. From February 14-29, we went into 2 full weeks of island-wide ceremonies called Sugi, Galungan and Kuningan. 4,000,000 Balinese would be huddled together on the floors or bales at temples, drinking communal Holywater, touching each other and going home to their remote villages to stay with their families.
10. For Balinese people, nobody would ever go to the doctor for a dry cough and fever.
11. If old people who had heart, lung or diabetes died, we wouldn’t have though it unusual.
12. And we share EVERYTHING! Especially Holywater at Temple. Can you imagine how dirty that is? Twenty of us Priests make the Holywater in containers that have never been washed with soap, we add bits of offerings that others have made including bits of string and flowers to the water. These individual containers are combined into The Holywater which we them add tap water that’s been smoked and in a ceramic urn that also has never been washed in generations. When I bless people, I bless 100 people with this same water. I splash them and give them this water to drink 3 times.
13. Only 8% of the Indonesian population are over 65 so it's a young population, average age is 29.
14. 76% smoke, mostly men.
15. Our average temperature is 28-30 Celsius
16. 90% of Balinese live in open air family compounds without any air conditioning.
17. Balinese have super strong immune systems as their gut microbiomes are exposed to all sorts of bacterial, dirt, etc. Did you read point #11?
Next steps - please comment below if you can help here:
1. We need the antibody test for all Balinese to show we’ve already been infected and have immunity. 
2. If you can help fund this and get these tests here, we can coordinate and have all Balinese tested through our village Banjar system. We have 99% voter turn out because of our Banjar system.
3. With proven herd immunity, we can open Bali again slowly. With a new tourism that focuses on sustainability, environmental and cultural protection.

yes...you need a quality approved  antibody test(not some chinese crap) and test and truthfully report the results from  a large cohort of   a representative random sample from the population from which you can then  extrapolate 

[Ivan the terrible]

4 hours ago, fygjam said:

 

And yet

Premier Mark McGowan has called a Rio Tinto contractor who recently travelled to Bali and has now tested positive to COVID-19 "selfish and irresponsible".

April 18, 2020 — 3.16pm

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/wa-premier-blasts-rio-tinto-contractor-who-has-tested-positive-after-bali-trip-20200418-p54l28.html

PS. At present there is NO RELIABLE antibody rapid screening test for Covid-19.

 

The US  have approved a couple I believe ...northw.. /nordw..  something like that from the Cuomo presser this am 

[Ivan the terrible]

3 hours ago, Lemondropkid said:

 I'm not a Sun man like BM Stillearly 😉- enjoy the Saturday Times like BM Galenkia 🤑

Its a real concern that this crisis will see the end of some newspaper print editions. The Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden has been urging us buy papers for the good of the country

“Newspapers are at heart of the British media and essential to its vibrant mix. People across the country are rising to the coronavirus challenge and I suggest we all add one small thing to our to-do list: buy a paper.”

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2020/04/18/culture-secretary-urges-public-to-buy-a-paper-as-press-faces-crisis/

the problem is ...you dont know who has touched them ...absorbent, so virus lives up to 24 hrs on surface

[Ivan the terrible]

19 hours ago, tko said:

I found this kind of interesting:

Deaths per capita US as a whole vs just the NYC area (listed as Downstate New York).

US as a whole (including NYC):

• Belgium (470.51)

• Spain (428.68)

• Italy (376.19)

• France (286.53)

• United Kingdom (228.28)

• Netherlands (210.86)

• Switzerland (155.29)

• United States (112.04)

• Ireland (107.34)

• Portugal (67.37)

NYC area:

• Downstate New York (848.45)

• Belgium (470.51)

• Spain (428.68)

• Italy (376.19)

• France (286.53)

• United Kingdom (228.28)

• Netherlands (210.86)

• Switzerland (155.29)

• Sweden (149.61)

• Ireland (107.34)

Article here: https://pjmedia.com/trending/heres-how-much-downstate-new-york-is-skewing-the-united-states-coronavirus-numbers/?utm_source=pjmedia&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl_pm&newsletterad=&bcid=bb7d91b7498b0d30d970b016a036e6a5&recip=26652605

 

figures like this at this stage are meaningless because you dont  know "prevalence"

[Thai Spice]

28 minutes ago, Ivan the terrible said:

figures like this at this stage are meaningless because you dont  know "prevalence"

Meaningless also because you don't know the criteria on which a case is included or not, and those criterias are different from one country to another. 

 

[fygjam]

58 minutes ago, Ivan the terrible said:

The US  have approved a couple I believe ...northw.. /nordw..  something like that from the Cuomo presser this am 

Still sounds like lab based testing.

New York state will undertake the “most aggressive” statewide antibody testing survey in the nation
over the next week, according to Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

Cuomo said they will sample thousands of people across the state to find out if they have
antibodies.

“That will tell us for the first time what percent of the population actually has had the coronavirus
and is now at least short term immune to the virus," he said.

“This will be the first true snapshot of what we’re really dealing with," Cuomo added.

The New York State Department of Health will be running the tests over the next week.

The state will have to work with the White House to assist with the supply chain and coordinate
private labs, Cuomo said.

 

[code_slayer_bkk]

Cuomo .... all I have to say about the guy would be very bad ... so, I will keep my 2 cents to myself ...

 

[fygjam]

4 minutes ago, code_slayer_bkk said:

Cuomo .... all I have to say about the guy would be very bad ... so, I will keep my 2 cents to myself ...

 

Sure it's not overvalued?

 

[Lemondropkid]

1 hour ago, Ivan the terrible said:

the problem is ...you dont know who has touched them ...absorbent, so virus lives up to 24 hrs on surface

True- my weekly contact with the gutter press could be death of me.  

Am conscious of that in shops now, I never pick up the item at the front of the display, but as you said you never know who will have touched them.

I've been as rigorous I can be in following all the protocols, but will keep on getting the weekly rag- I'd take that as low risk. 

[coxyhog]

13 hours ago, Stillearly said:

596 dead see page 4

 

 

Guys let's get our priorities right....what a magnificent chest on the front page!

BTW I never even took the Scum when they were giving it away.

[code_slayer_bkk]

1 hour ago, fygjam said:

Sure it's not overvalued?

 

Up to you

[code_slayer_bkk]

8 hours ago, lazarus said:

Some info...

"...the Department of Agriculture estimates that about half of the nation's farmworkers are unauthorized, while 15 percent of those in construction lack papers – more than the share of legal immigrants in either industry. In the service sector, which would include jobs such as fast food and domestic help, the figure is about 9 percent..."

 

 

These U.S. industries can't work without illegal immigrants

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrants-us-jobs-economy-farm-workers-taxes/

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Mark Twain.