Evil Penevil Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, code_slayer_bkk said: A Thai gal came over last night .. we were talking and of course the Wuhan virus came up ... It was her belief that the Wuhan Virus was started in the USA .... that the Americans have caused this .... The article below debunks that myth. It's a long article, but worth reading. LINK It's understandable that interest groups in China and Thailand will try to shift the blame from China to the U.S. While Americans aren't a negligible tourist group for Thailand, Chinese are much more important. In 2019, tourists from the People's Republic were solidly in first place as a source nation with 10,626,511 visitors to Thailand. The U.S. ranked eighth with 1,167,845. If you ran a tourist business in Thailand that derived most of its income from Chinese tourists, would you want people in Thailand to blame China for the coronavirus? Evil Trolls are spreading conspiracy theories that a U.S. Army reservist is "COVID-19 patient zero."China is amplifying that disinformation. BY DAN PATTERSON APRIL 30, 2020 / 11:33 AM / CBS NEWS A brigade of trolls is spreading conspiracy theories about a U.S. Army reservist, falsely claiming that she is "COVID-19 patient zero" and responsible for starting the coronavirus pandemic. Maatje Benassi is a civilian security officer stationed at Fort Belvoir in Virginia. Since March she and her husband Matt, also a government employee at the military base, have been targeted in YouTube videos and social media posts that wrongly claim she contracted COVID-19 in October while competing in the Military World Games, which were hosted in Wuhan, China. Neither Benassi or her husband have tested positive for or experienced symptoms of COVID-19. Hundreds of competitors participate in the Military World Games, a multi-sport competition like the Olympics which is held in a different city every four years. Why Benassi was singled out is unknown, but the harassment has changed her life. She told CNN that the trolling is incessant; conspiracy theory followers shared her home address and flooded her social media accounts with threats and menacing posts. "It's like waking up from a bad dream going into a nightmare day after day," she said. Many of the videos targeting Benassi and her husband were viewed hundreds of thousands of times on YouTube after the conspiracy was amplified by Chinese diplomats and state-run media. In February, The Global Times, a site run by the Chinese Communist Party's People's Daily newspaper, alleged that coronavirus was brought to China from a U.S. military base during the World Games. A few weeks later, Lijian Zhou, a Chinese diplomat, reinforced the conspiracy theory in a tweet that speculated, "It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan." The use of state media to amplify online conspiracies is part of a broad strategy to deflect and reframe the coronavirus narrative away from China, said Priscilla Moriuchi, a senior researcher at Recorded Future, a cybersecurity firm that specializes in digital threat assessment. Moriuchi told CBS News that the coronavirus pandemic provided China with an opportunity to present a binary comparison between the Chinese government's response and the West's. Chinese social media posts around the COVID-19 outbreak on Western technology platforms.RECORDED FUTURE "China has leveraged its social media operations to conflate the speed and success of its response to the COVID-19 crisis, exaggerate its international aid efforts, shift the blame for the pandemic away from the Chinese government, and change the narrative from China as the source of the pandemic to China as a global leader in its response," Moriuchi said. The strategic goal of Chinese leadership, said Moriuchi, is to counter a negative story about the country by using social media to elevate pro-China stories, attack enemies, and generate confusion by sharing conspiracy theories — including scapegoating victims like Benassi. Starting in late January, data gathered from Western social media platforms by Recorded Future demonstrates a dramatic increase in COVID-19-related posts by Chinese accounts. In early January, Chinese accounts were posting fewer than 100 times per day. By February 10, the number of posts had spiked to over 3,500 per day. Between January and March, Chinese accounts created over 32,000 posts, nearly half of which mentioned "coronavirus" or "COVID-19" and portrayed China in a positive light. An example of a COVID-19 post by a Chinese state-run "influence account."RECORDED FUTURE An example of a COVID-19 post by a Chinese state-run "influence account."RECORDED FUTURE An example of a COVID-19 post by a Chinese state-run "influence account."RECORDED FUTURE Chinese social media posts around the COVID-19 outbreak on Western technology platforms.RECORDED FUTURE Chinese social media posts around the COVID-19 outbreak on Western technology platforms.RECORDED FUTURE According to the data gathered by Recorded Future, through most of January Chinese state-sponsored social media accounts shared positive stories indicating the country had controlled the virus' spread and that China was transparently collaborating with international health agencies like the WHO. By mid-March, Chinese state-run social media tactics became more aggressive. "China's engaged in a two-front strategy," Moriuchi said. "The first includes allowing state-run media to engage in a starkly more negative campaign around COVID-19 crisis than it has conducted before. Second is permitting a group of media-savvy diplomats to conduct a combative, truth-bending and misleading campaign on Western social media to shift the blame for the crisis away from China." China doesn't need to control the conspiracy, explained Moriuchi, "They just need a conspiracy to exist." Meanwhile, for victims like Maatje Benassi whose lives have been turned upside down by conspiracy theorists and a state-sponsored propaganda machine, there seems to be no end in sight. Edited May 5, 2020 by Evil Penevil 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code_slayer_bkk Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 ^^^^^ Good article Bro .... I need no convincing .... Jeez, over 1M American visitors to Thailand .. that is surprising .. I thought it would be much less ... guess I should get out more .. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code_slayer_bkk Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said: My bold highlights. The question becomes: how many bars can make a profit if their best possible nights are limited to half capacity? Evil They can't ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coxyhog Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11550688/frenchman-wife-fish-market-coronavirus-december-china/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Penevil Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, code_slayer_bkk said: Jeez, over 1M American visitors to Thailand .. that is surprising .. I thought it would be much less ... guess I should get out more .. lol Top 25 arrivals by nationality[edit] Reference: statistics for the period 1998–2016,[46] 2017[47]–2018.[48] Rank Country or territory 2019[50] 2018 2017 2016 2015 2014 2013 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 * ASEAN 10,626,511 10,284,050 9,119,941 8,658,051 7,886,136 6,641,772 7,282,266 6,281,153 5,594,577 4,534,235 3,968,579 3,971,429 3,520,051 3,389,342 1 China 10,994,721 10,535,955 9,805,753 8,757,466 7,934,791 4,636,298 4,637,335 2,786,860 1,721,247 1,122,219 777,508 826,660 907,117 949,117 2 Malaysia* 4,166,868 4,097,604 3,354,800 3,533,826 3,423,397 2,613,418 3,041,097 2,554,397 2,500,280 2,058,956 1,757,813 1,855,332 1,540,080 1,591,328 3 India 1,995,516 1,596,772 1,411,942 1,193,822 1,069,149 932,603 1,050,889 1,013,308 914,971 760,371 614,566 536,964 536,356 459,795 4 South Korea 1,887,853 1,796,596 1,709,070 1,464,218 1,372,995 1,122,566 1,295,342 1,263,619 1,156,283 885,445 758,227 889,210 1,183,652 1,092,783 5 Laos* 1,845,375 1,750,658 1,612,647 1,409,456 1,233,138 1,053,983 976,639 975,999 891,950 715,345 655,034 621,564 513,701 276,207 6 Japan 1,806,340 1,656,100 1,544,328 1,439,629 1,381,690 1,267,886 1,586,425 1,373,716 1,277,893 993,674 1,004,453 1,153,868 1,277,638 1,311,987 7 Russia 1,483,453 1,260,889 1,346,219 1,089,992 884,085 1,606,430 1,746,565 1,316,564 1,054,187 644,678 336,965 324,120 277,503 187,658 8 United States 1,167,845 1,123,248 1,056,124 974,632 867,520 763,520 823,486 768,638 681,748 611,792 627,074 669,097 681,972 694,258 9 Singapore* 1,056,836 1,067,309 1,028,077 966,909 937,311 844,133 955,468 831,215 682,364 603,538 563,575 570,047 604,603 687,160 10 Vietnam* 1,047,629 1,027,430 934,497 830,394 751,091 559,415 725,057 618,670 496,768 380,368 363,029 338,303 237,672 227,134 11 Hong Kong 1,045,198 1,015,688 820,894 749,694 669,165 483,131 588,335 473,666 411,834 316,476 318,762 337,827 367,862 376,636 12 United Kingdom 994,018 987,456 994,468 1,003,386 946,919 907,877 905,024 873,053 844,972 810,727 841,425 826,523 859,010 850,685 13 Cambodia* 907,506 821,216 854,431 686,682 487,487 550,339 481,595 423,642 265,903 146,274 96,586 85,790 99,945 117,100 14 Germany 857,487 758,238 849,283 835,506 760,604 715,240 737,658 682,419 619,133 606,874 573,473 542,726 544,495 516,659 15 Taiwan 789,923 687,701 572,964 522,231 552,624 394,149 502,176 394,475 394,225 369,220 362,783 393,176 427,474 475,117 16 Australia 768,668 801,637 817,091 791,631 805,946 831,854 900,460 930,241 829,855 698,046 646,705 694,473 658,148 549,547 17 France 745,290 749,643 739,853 738,763 681,097 635,073 611,582 576,106 515,572 461,670 427,067 398,407 373,090 321,278 18 Indonesia* 709,613 644,043 574,764 535,625 469,226 497,592 594,251 447,820 370,795 286,072 227,205 247,930 237,592 219,783 19 Philippines* 500,704 432,578 380,886 339,486 310,975 304,813 321,571 289,566 268,375 246,430 217,705 221,506 205,266 198,443 20 Myanmar* 376,368 368,170 365,590 341,641 259,678 206,794 172,383 129,385 110,671 90,179 79,279 71,902 72,205 62,769 21 Sweden 287,383 311,959 323,669 332,866 321,663 324,865 341,398 364,681 373,856 355,214 350,819 392,274 378,387 306,085 22 Canada 274,160 276,543 258,392 244,268 227,306 211,059 229,897 219,354 194,356 168,393 169,482 180,900 183,440 183,094 23 Italy 272,289 280,161 264,429 265,532 246,066 219,875 207,192 200,703 185,869 168,203 170,105 159,513 171,328 150,420 24 Netherlands 241,663 236,300 222,077 235,708 221,657 211,524 218,765 208,122 198,891 196,994 205,412 193,541 194,434 180,830 25 Switzerland 192,156 207,596 209,434 208,967 206,454 201,271 199,923 191,147 170,044 155,761 148,269 143,065 146,511 140,741 * ASEAN nation I posted the above chart from Wikipedia to keep things in perspective. While tourist arrivals from China, India and Russia have indeed "skyrocketed" (that much beloved punter-board verb about the price of girls' fees and lady drinks), arrivals from the U.S. have increased 68% since 2006. The increase in arrivals from France has been a whopping 132%. The number of arrivals from the U.K., Australia and Germany have also grown, but not so substantially. Evil Edited May 5, 2020 by Evil Penevil 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfc2007 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 The numbers from TAT are simply laughable. They were reporting last year that tourism was up, yet hotel groups in all the major destinations reported tourist numbers were down massively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code_slayer_bkk Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 (edited) ^^^^^ You know Bro .... I have read the same thing a number of times last year .... from what I read the hotels were in not to good of shape here ... then @Evil posts these stats .. which I believe .... simply because I know @Evil is not full of shit .... or the people that compiled the numbers are wrong .... Makes me wonder what the "deal " is .... When I am out and about in BKK .. before all the shit hit the fan .... Nana and Soi Cowboy always had what seemed to me a bunch of Asian tourists ( especially Soi Cowboy ) ... not that many farangs seem to be out and about ... then other parts of town I don't see that many ( or none at all ) farangs .... I really cannot tell the difference between the Chinese and Thais ( even by their hair cuts ) .. except when some one just spits on the ground anywhere .. then I think they are Chinese ... Have you ever spent any time in China? I have a lot ... those f***kers love spitting .... Edited May 5, 2020 by code_slayer_bkk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Thai Spice said: Mate, CNN and THINKING ..? 😂😂😂😂😂🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈 Critical thinking? The breathing/air mask study was conducted at university. It was clearly presented in the video for viewers to understand. The fact that was done by CNN is neither "here nor there" in the context of the topic, or its relevance to the current discussion. Here is the link to the story from the university (+video below) : http://www.fau.edu/newsdesk/articles/mechanical-cough-coronavirus.php You will like the video as there is a dummy blowing smoke. Think about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post galenkia Posted May 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Evil Penevil said: What media sources do you deem credible? Which TV network, Web site and/or newspaper is credible? Evil Daily Sport 👍 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roomark Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, galenkia said: Daily Sport 👍 Builders Bible back in the day 🤣🤣🤣 Every brew time in the on site hut .. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfc2007 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 34 minutes ago, code_slayer_bkk said: ^^^^^ You know Bro .... I have read the same thing a number of times last year .... from what I read the hotels were in not to good of shape here ... then @Evil posts these stats .. which I believe .... simply because I know @Evil is not full of shit .... or the people that compiled the numbers are wrong .... Makes me wonder what the "deal " is .... When I am out and about in BKK .. before all the shit hit the fan .... Nana and Soi Cowboy always had what seemed to me a bunch of Asian tourists ( especially Soi Cowboy ) ... not that many farangs seem to be out and about ... then other parts of town I don't see that many ( or none at all ) farangs .... I really cannot tell the difference between the Chinese and Thais ( even by their hair cuts ) .. except when some one just spits on the ground anywhere .. then I think they are Chinese ... Have you ever spent any time in China? I have a lot ... those f***kers love spitting .... She said the occupancy rate in November, a peak month for Chiang Mai, dropped to 70% from 90% last year https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/1807339/bleak-outlook-for-chiang-mai-hotels Nobody, and I mean nobody, takes TAT seriously. Their numbers should be treated with the same contempt as the Chinese numbers on Covid-19. The worst thing about this Covid-19 crisis is that it succeeded an absolutely dire year for tourism in Thailand. No doubt the TAT will still declare a 'small reduction' in tourist numbers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coxyhog Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 15 minutes ago, galenkia said: Daily Sport 👍 You used to get a lot of ads in there for mongers to try.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacedog Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Just seen on the BBC news a passenger on board an Aer Lingus flight complaining about lack of social distance, the flight was practically full from Belfast to Heathrow. WTF does he expect a special aircraft all to himself on a £40 ticket. If he was that bothered about social distancing then he should stay at home in his bubble as per government instructions. I have had enough of it now. We are committing economic suicide, the repercussions will be felt for a long long time after this episode has finally finished. Our civil liberties and freedoms are being taken away. Being told that the new norm is going to be masks and gloves social distancing for up to 1 year. Also going to start tracking people via Apps on their phone. is this Berlin pre the fall of the wall. We lived in a free society where people can obtain and absorb the information in order to make balanced decisions. Being told to wear masks.gloves and not to go out to visit family and friends or risk being fined . Not only that encouraging the public to let the authorities know about people who they think break the lockdown is dystopian. I will not wear a mask or gloves. The numbers that are coming out of various countries suggest that this is one massive overreaction. Instead of locking down the whole population, plans need to be put in place for a full lifting of the lockdown while looking after people who are in the high risk category. The UK population is over 60 million there are 190000 cases and 29000 deaths. Current worldwide deaths 260000 if all the figures are to be believed. Over 400000 each year die of malaria spread over far fewer countries that have Covid 19. We are not barred from travelling to these countries, we don’t lock these countries down shutting down their economy’s in the process. No people make a balanced decision and travel whether for business or pleasure. (I know malaria is not contagious) Enough is Enough we are not solitary creatures, we need companionship we need to meet family and friends and have social lives. Once your freedoms and liberties are removed they are very difficult to get back. Do we really want the new norm enforcing the population to walk round in gloves masks and 2 meters apart. The long term affects of this don’t bear thinking about. Public transport will become uneconomical 15 people on a bus, 100 people on a 200 seat airplane. Stop being brainwashed look at the facts out there and make some balanced choices. Many people will not agree with my thoughts I accept that. However serious questions need to be asked re the current lockdown. I can’t wait for the time I am able to travel to Thailand and play some golf and have a beer with my mates, I fear it will be a few more months yet though. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code_slayer_bkk Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Spacedog said: Just seen on the BBC news a passenger on board an Aer Lingus flight complaining about lack of social distance, the flight was practically full from Belfast to Heathrow. WTF does he expect a special aircraft all to himself on a £40 ticket. If he was that bothered about social distancing then he should stay at home in his bubble as per government instructions. Some f***king people ... just seem to bitch about anything ... f**k me ... grow a pair and suck it up .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galenkia Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, coxyhog said: You used to get a lot of ads in there for mongers to try.... Dont forget the nipple count 😀 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code_slayer_bkk Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, Spacedog said: The UK population is over 60 million there are 190000 cases and 29000 deaths. Current worldwide deaths 260000 if all the figures are to be believed. Over 400000 each year die of malaria spread over far fewer countries that have Covid 19. We are not barred from travelling to these countries, we don’t lock these countries down shutting down their economy’s in the process. No people make a balanced decision and travel whether for business or pleasure. (I know malaria is not contagious) Enough is Enough we are not solitary creatures, we need companionship we need to meet family and friends and have social lives. Once your freedoms and liberties are removed they are very difficult to get back. Do we really want the new norm enforcing the population to walk round in gloves masks and 2 meters apart. The long term affects of this don’t bear thinking about. Public transport will become uneconomical 15 people on a bus, 100 people on a 200 seat airplane. I truly believe you cannot trust the stats .... I am a pretty solitary person .. but, I even need to get out and about .. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 (edited) Vaccination, or no vaccination...that is the question? Seems the anti-social distancing, anti-mask movement in the US has a new member of their coalition... (WaPo has paywall so I posted the entire article. There's a video about vaccines in the link if you can get through.) ________________________________________________________________________Anti-vaccination leaders seize on coronavirus to push resistance to inoculation May 5, 2020 As scientists around the world race to develop a vaccine for the coronavirus, the pandemic is also stoking a surge of activity among activists who argue that such a vaccine must be resisted. Leaders of the anti-vaccination movement, who in recent years have seen their efforts frustrated as U.S. states have adopted stricter laws promoting the inoculation of children, are seizing on the anxiety and social unrest generated by the virus and the government attempts to contain it. Anti-vaccination protesters have been a visible presence in recent weeks at rallies to end the lockdowns that continue in many states. But beyond the rallies and hand-painted signs, the movement’s chief organizers have launched a less confrontational but more far-reaching information campaign. Incorporating the rhetoric honed over years to sow fear of childhood vaccines, they maintain that mandated quarantines are new evidence of government officials’ zeal to control individual health-care choices. “One of the main tenets of the marketing of mandatory vaccination has been fear. And never have we seen fear exploited in the way that we do now with the coronavirus infection,” Andrew Wakefield, the former British doctor and founder of the modern anti-vaccine movement, said at a three-day teleconference last week. “I think what we have reached is a situation where — I hope we’ve reached a situation where — the public are now sufficiently skeptical. ” As the pandemic kills nearly 2,000 people every day in the United States, Wakefield — whose medical license was revoked after he published a study, since identified as fraudulent, that linked autism with the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine — said the coronavirus is “no worse” than seasonal influenza. “We are seeing a destruction of the economy, a destruction of people and families … and unprecedented violations of health freedom,” Wakefield said, speaking to viewers on a screen split with a poster advertising his new film agitating against vaccines. “And it’s all based upon a fallacy. ” The new push by prominent anti-vaccine activists — including Wakefield and Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who also spoke at the conference — worries vaccination proponents, who are already contending with a steep drop in vaccination rates as families anxious about contracting the coronavirus stay away from pediatricians’ offices. “I’ve watched the leaders of the anti-vaccine movement scare parents for years. And in this moment, when parents are more scared than ever, they’re profiting off of it,” said Erica DeWald, director of advocacy at the nonprofit group Vaccinate Your Family. “Basically, the anti-vaccine leaders are telling their followers, ‘This is not real, this is not a concern for you, if you’re healthy, if you eat well, if you sleep enough, you will be fine. And this is once again a gateway for the government to force vaccines on to you and your children.’ ” The range of views within the movement on the current pandemic was on display last week at the “Health Freedom Summit,” where Wakefield and Kennedy spoke. The virtual conference, portions of which were viewed by The Washington Post, featured dozens of speakers and devoted one full day to the coronavirus. Limited access to the seminars and materials was offered free, with full access for $69. Alana Newman, who hosted the online summit, said in an interview that she organized it with a friend using her savings and that outside groups or funders were not involved. She said she became concerned that the coronavirus case numbers were being exaggerated by the news media and that the virus may have been designed and released in order to benefit vaccine makers. “We’re just trying to do what’s best for our kids,” said Newman, who lives in southwest Louisiana. “We’re not making a billion dollars off this. ” Some speakers promoted unproven treatments or preventive measures, such as zinc, vitamin supplements and sun exposure. Others speculated that the symptoms attributed to the virus could have other causes, such as plutonium falling to earth from destroyed satellites. Still, others warned without evidence of forcible inoculations of unwilling Americans with an eventual coronavirus vaccine. A recurrent focus of the presenters was Microsoft founder and philanthropist Bill Gates, who has been a prominent voice on public health policy amid the pandemic and is funding efforts to track, treat and ultimately cure the disease. Gates has been the target of conspiracy theories that he helped create the pandemic and plans to use it for financial gain and to develop a worldwide system of human surveillance. Kennedy touched on the latter subject in his talk, discussing what he said were Gates’s efforts to develop “an injectable chip” and “subdermal biometric tattoos” that would enable the tracking of human movements. “A health authority, the police, whatever, will be able to read your health records,” he said. “It’s like a bar code. ” After sharing a story about friends who had been surfing in Malibu the previous day, when beachgoers were being ticketed by the police for violating state quarantine restrictions, Kennedy mused on a dark future. “Are we headed for a world where Microsoft is going to be able to follow us?” he said. “What if we live in a world where the police will not have to go to the beach, where they will be able to follow on your cellphone or your biometrics, and see that you went to the beach, and then just take $1,000 out of your salary from the cryptocurrency that your payroll check is going into?” He ended with a plea for listeners to share their emails with his advocacy group, Children’s Health Defense. In an interview, Kennedy said he was not arguing that Gates helped engineer the virus, but does believe the Seattle billionaire is “using this emergency, this crisis, to promote his interests.” Kennedy said there are legitimate concerns that initiatives such as contact tracing for coronavirus infections could lead to a more sweeping “surveillance state,” and that the negative consequences of quarantine measures are not being balanced against their benefits to public health. “People keep saying, ‘We have to listen to the science,’ but what does that mean?” Kennedy said. “Does that mean we have to listen to virologists and ignore economists?” Physician Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, said anti-vaccination activists’ response to the pandemic and social distancing measures jibes with the movement’s history of accusing the government of tyrannical health initiatives. “I think this is consistent with their anti-government stance,” said Offit, who has written extensively about the movement and the history of vaccination policies. “I can promise you that even when this [coronavirus] vaccine comes out, even if it’s perfect and it’s wonderfully safe, they will still say it’s causing things that it doesn’t cause. ” Louisiana state Rep. Danny McCormick (R), who also spoke at the conference and led a rally in Baton Rouge on Saturday demanding the lifting of quarantine restrictions, said people are newly receptive to warnings of government intrusion as they suffer through the battered economy. “Government overreach has destroyed the greatest economy in the history of the world in a matter of weeks,” said McCormick, who is pushing a bill that would require schools to inform parents of their right to opt out of vaccines. “That’s of great concern to people. ” While it is hard to determine the extent to which the broader public will welcome such messages, one measure can be found in the audience for the Health Freedom Summit at which McCormick spoke. Newman, the conference organizer, said it had more than 30,000 registrants.https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/05/05/anti-vaxxers-wakefield-coronavirus-vaccine/ Edited May 5, 2020 by lazarus a stab in the dark... 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dcfc2007 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Tim Moore, economics director at IHS Markit, said the data "highlights that the downturn in the UK economy during the second quarter of 2020 will be far deeper and more widespread than anything seen in living memory". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52542943 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, code_slayer_bkk said: A Thai gal came over last night .. we were talking and of course the Wuhan virus came up ... It was her belief that the Wuhan Virus was started in the USA .... that the Americans have caused this .... Actually the most cases in Australia were found to have originated from the US and the Australian Prime Minister actually made a statement about that. https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-most-cases-in-australia-from-usa-scott-morrison/5b04121e-a597-4aaf-a1a7-04be02f9d376 cheers Edited May 5, 2020 by roobob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coxyhog Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, roobob said: Actually the most cases in Australia were found to have originated from the US and the Australian Prime Minister actually made a statement about that. https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-most-cases-in-australia-from-usa-scott-morrison/5b04121e-a597-4aaf-a1a7-04be02f9d376 cheers Maybe the participants in the military games in Wuhan got infected & drought it back to the US,from where it spread to who knows where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfc2007 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 But the whole aviation sector is living a new reality. When lockdown restrictions ease and flight schedules are increased again there will be fewer passengers, fewer and probably more expensive flights and sadly thousands of cabin crew, pilots and ground staff will have lost jobs. It will take years for the aviation sector to bounce back to where it was before the pandemic. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52539905 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, coxyhog said: Maybe the participants in the military games in Wuhan got infected & drought it back to the US,from where it spread to who knows where. Maybe not..? Only the Grim Reaper really knows... ____Disaster in motion: 3.4 million travelers poured into US as coronavirus pandemic erupted "...Travel data of passengers arriving in the United States from China during the critical period in December, January and February, when the disease took hold in that country, shows a stunning 759,493 people entered the U.S. Those travelers from China included more than 228,000 Americans returning home and hundreds of thousands of Chinese nationals arriving for business, academics, tourism or to visit family..." https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/disaster-motion-34-million-travelers-poured-us-coronavirus/story?id=69933625 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, coxyhog said: Maybe the participants in the military games in Wuhan got infected & drought it back to the US,from where it spread to who knows where. Maybe mate.... just saying what was expressed from our PM. cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrmango Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 6 hours ago, lazarus said: Old saying... "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." My way... "You can lead an old goat to information, but you can't make him think." The way I remember it: You can lead a horse to drink, but you cannot make him water... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, dcfc2007 said: But the whole aviation sector is living a new reality. When lockdown restrictions ease and flight schedules are increased again there will be fewer passengers, fewer and probably more expensive flights and sadly thousands of cabin crew, pilots and ground staff will have lost jobs. It will take years for the aviation sector to bounce back to where it was before the pandemic. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52539905 Disagree…. they are taking a hit now...… but will bounce back a lot quicker than some think. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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