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1 hour ago, fforest said:

BALI POLICE INVESTIGATING VANDALIZED COVID-19 BILLBOARDS

 

https://thebalisun.com/bali-police-investigating-vandalized-covid-19-billboards/

It's not me.

But there is definitively a popular movement starting to go against all this Covid shit.  

But for most they just learn to "navigate" around it, and continue to live their life.  Same as I do.

There has never been any panic here, except maybe for the Aussie crowd. 

 

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8 hours ago, Thai Spice said:

It's not me.

But there is definitively a popular movement starting to go against all this Covid shit.  

But for most they just learn to "navigate" around it, and continue to live their life.  Same as I do.

There has never been any panic here, except maybe for the Aussie crowd. 

 

Same for me ....

In the deep South I wonder if anyone ever took it seriously .. maybe the first week ... and all of the big places to shop ... but, all the local shops, restaurants and bars everything was normal .. no masks, no social distancing, doubling and tripling up on motorbikes, etc. .....  normal life just went on .

I have been in BKK the last 3 - 4 days ... just got back from 7/11 and none of the customers had a mask on ... only the gals behind the counters ... a couple of outdoor bars and restaurants close to where I live and no one has a mask on .... social distancing in BKK is non-existent.

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I know there is a desire to keep politics out of this thread however when politicians are making "decisions", sometimes it is not possible.

Donald Trump reveals ‘major virus breakthrough’

 

Donald Trump has revealed a “major therapeutic breakthrough” for coronavirus at a press conference this morning.

 

He said American authorities have secured emergency approval of blood plasma from
recovered coronavirus patients as a treatment against the disease that has killed over
176,000 in the US.

Mr Trump said the approval is a “historic breakthrough”.

“This is a powerful therapy that transfuses very, very strong antibodies from the blood of
recovered patients to help treat patients battling a current infection. It’s had an incredible
rate of success,” he said.

The plasma is believed to contain powerful antibodies that can help fight off the disease
faster and help protect people from being seriously hurt by it.


 

 

 

While the treatment has already been used on patients in the United States and other
nations, the extent of its effectiveness is still debated by experts and some have warned that
it could carry side effects.

“Convalescent plasma probably works — though it still needs to be proven in clinical trials
— but not as a rescue treatment for people who are already severely ill,” Len Horovitz, a
pulmonary specialist at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City, told AFP.

He said that plasma would likely work much better right after a person was exposed to the
virus, when the body is trying to neutralise the infection.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/donald-trump-to-reveal-major-virus-breakthrough/news-story/dba669603b2c6b854a322b342efda718

 

Doctors I get my information from, including a specialist for a US health care provider who has treated over 2,000 Covid-19 patients say there has not been any double blind randomised trials with a sufficiently large cohort of "convalescent plasma" to draw definite conclusions (this was before the announcement).

He and his fellow doctors concur that Covid-19 has several phases.

Week 1 (from the onset of symptoms). The viral phase when a person is fighting the virus. It is during this phase that antiviral treatments including convalescent plasma would be most effective.

Week 2. The “cytokine storm” phase. When a person with a competent immune system should have cleared the virus but may suffer a severe inflammatory response to damage, especially in the lungs. Antiviral therapies, including  convalescent plasma, are pointless during this phase however a patient may benefit from steroids like dexamethasone which "tone down" the inflammatory response. This is when breathing difficulties and/or pneumonia can occur.

Week 3. The hypercoagulability phase. During this phase victims may experience blood clots from micro clots which block blood flow to organs like the kidneys and liver to large clots "the size of hot dogs" in major blood vessels. Heart attacks and strokes may occur during this phase. Unwise to treat with plasma which may be rich in  platelets and clotting factors during this phase.

There are several other possible phases to this delightful disease called Covid-19 including the "long haulers" who three months and more later are still suffering from the effects.

 

A less enthusiastic (than the DT announcement) article on convalescent plasma.

Evidence lags behind excitement over blood plasma as a coronavirus treatment

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02324-2

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, fygjam said:

Week 1 (from the onset of symptoms). The viral phase when a person is fighting the virus. It is during this phase that antiviral treatments including convalescent plasma would be most effective.

The FDA has only authorised its use in the first 3 days of hospitalisation so that should tie in with your doctors' views.

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Practical approach. In the US it's no big deal to contract COVID-19...unless you do.

CDC drops 14-day self-quarantine recommendation for out-of-state, international travelers

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Friday dropped its recommendation for travelers to quarantine for 14 days upon returning from trips overseas or out of state during the coronavirus pandemic. 

The CDC updated its guidelines on its website. Though the two-week recommendation was changed, the federal agency did caution travelers that they can still contract the novel coronavirus while traveling...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/travel-during-covid19.html?_ga=2.133940109.260146334.1598272317-1339891309.1597421424

. . .

story: https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-drops-14-day-recommended-quarantine-travelers

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This is an example of the type of behavior that will significantly delay travel by Americans to other countries.  🤦‍♂️       Link

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Dozens Of Coronavirus Cases Spread Across
7 States Linked To Sturgis Motorcycle Rally

TOPLINE

More than 70 coronavirus cases diagnosed in seven states across the West and Midwest have been linked to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, which attracted more than 460,000 vehicles over a 10-day period earlier this month, and at least one state health official expects this is just the start of cases linked to the event.

Annual Sturgis Motorcycle Rally To Be Held Amid Coronavirus Pandemic
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KEY FACTS

The South Dakota Department of Health said Monday that forty people have thus far tested positive for Covid-19 after attending the rally, including three out-of-state residents.

The three cases the DOH reported Monday are from residents of North Dakota, Washington and Minnesota.

Seven confirmed coronavirus infections reported in Wyoming appear to be connected to rally events, according to the Wyoming Department of Health, with cases detected among Wisconsin residents as well.

Minnesota health officials announced on Friday that 15 confirmed cases were associated with the Sturgis rally, and CNN reported Monday afternoon that number had swelled to 27.

"Unfortunately, I think this is just the beginning of the cases we will see from Sturgis," said Kris Ehresmann, the director of infectious diseases at the Minnesota Department of Health.

As of Friday, at least seven Covid-19 cases in Nebraska had been tied to the rally, according to Kim Engel, director of the Panhandle Public Health District.

KEY BACKGROUND:

The annual 10-day motorcycle began Aug. 7 and ran until Aug. 16. The fear among many health experts, even prior to the start of the gathering, was that it would become a super-spreader event. Photos and video footage from the rally revealed relatively few attendees were wearing masks or other forms of face coverings. South Dakota's Health Department announced last week that individuals could have been exposed to the virus at a tattoo parlor where an employee tested positive. In addition, three bars in Sturgis (The Knuckle Saloon, Broken Spoke Saloon and One Eyed Jack's Saloon) were visited by at least one infected individual. According to CNN, the Sturgis city council approved the event in June despite a survey finding that 60% of residents were against it. 

CRUCIAL QUOTE: 

"Thousands of people attended that event and so it's very likely that we'll see more transmission. Obviously it takes a while for people to develop symptoms and get tested and for us to get those results," said Kris Ehresmann.

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1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

More than 70 coronavirus cases diagnosed in seven states across the West and Midwest have been linked to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, which attracted more than 460,000 vehicles over a 10-day period earlier this month,

460,000 vehicles , say 2 pax per vehicle, around 920,000 people...

And 70 caught a virus .... even if it was 700 ...

How many accidents, heart attacks, alcohol induced problems during that event ?

Another example of dramatizing B.S. by the media ...

 

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23 minutes ago, Thai Spice said:

460,000 vehicles , say 2 pax per vehicle, around 920,000 people...

And 70 caught a virus .... even if it was 700 ...

How many accidents, heart attacks, alcohol induced problems during that event ?

Another example of dramatizing B.S. by the media ...

 

"...'round & 'round it goes...when it stops nobody knows..."

 

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The Indonesian island of Bali will remain closed to foreign visitors for the rest of 2020 after authorities postponed a plan to welcome back international tourists from Sept. 11 as the coronavirus continues to spread.

 
 

“The Indonesian government couldn’t reopen its doors to foreign travelers until the end of 2020 as we remain a red zone,” Bali Governor Wayan Koster said in a statement. “The situation is not conducive to allowing foreign tourists to come to Indonesia, including to Bali.”

 
 

After some success in containment early on, Bali’s infection rate jumped in June as migrant workers returned home and testing increased. The island had 4,576 confirmed cases as of Monday and 52 deaths, while Indonesia as a whole has more than 155,000 confirmed cases and 6,759 deaths, government data show.

 
 

Bali has been open to local travelers since the end of July, and as many as 2,500 people have been arriving through its airport every day without causing a spike in infections, Koster said. The local government will focus on increasing the number of domestic visitors to help the tourism industry and economy recover, he said.

Over 6 million foreign tourists visited Bali last year, accounting for more than a third of Indonesia’s total. The government warned in April that the pandemic could wipe out more than $10 billion of Indonesia’s tourism revenue this year, a forecast that is likely to worsen now because it assumed there would be some recovery in the second half.

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A historic breakthrough?

Until it isn't....

FDA chief apologizes for overstating plasma effect on virus

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/fda-commissioner-overstated-effects-virus-therapy-72595122

WASHINGTON -- Responding to an outcry from medical experts, Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Stephen Hahn on Tuesday apologized for overstating the life-saving benefits of treating COVID-19 patients with convalescent plasma.

Scientists and medical experts have been pushing back against the claims about the treatment since President Donald Trump’s announcement on Sunday that the FDA had decided to issue emergency authorization for convalescent plasma, taken from patients who have recovered from the coronavirus and rich in disease-fighting antibodies.

Trump hailed the decision as a historic breakthrough even though the treatment’s value has not been established. The announcement on the eve of Trump’s Republican National Convention raised suspicions that it was politically motivated to offset critics of the president's handling of the pandemic...

 

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50 minutes ago, Stillearly said:

The Indonesian island of Bali will remain closed to foreign visitors for the rest of 2020 after authorities postponed a plan to welcome back international tourists from Sept. 11 as the coronavirus continues to spread.

 
 

“The Indonesian government couldn’t reopen its doors to foreign travelers until the end of 2020 as we remain a red zone,” Bali Governor Wayan Koster said in a statement. “The situation is not conducive to allowing foreign tourists to come to Indonesia, including to Bali.”

 
 

After some success in containment early on, Bali’s infection rate jumped in June as migrant workers returned home and testing increased. The island had 4,576 confirmed cases as of Monday and 52 deaths, while Indonesia as a whole has more than 155,000 confirmed cases and 6,759 deaths, government data show.

 
 

Bali has been open to local travelers since the end of July, and as many as 2,500 people have been arriving through its airport every day without causing a spike in infections, Koster said. The local government will focus on increasing the number of domestic visitors to help the tourism industry and economy recover, he said.

Over 6 million foreign tourists visited Bali last year, accounting for more than a third of Indonesia’s total. The government warned in April that the pandemic could wipe out more than $10 billion of Indonesia’s tourism revenue this year, a forecast that is likely to worsen now because it assumed there would be some recovery in the second half.

Bali government wanted to re open, but Jakarta remembered them that kind.of decision can only be taken by the central government. So the Bali governor had to come back on his "decision".

Today I had a chat with the owner of the resort, and she said it is unlikely we will see international tourists before April 2021...

There was also some discussion about the financial aspect of the pandemonium for hospitals, who receive an important sum of money from the government for every Covid patient treated, and there is a rumor that the "play" with that. 

Confirmed what I said "avoid hospitals at any cost at the moment" 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Thai Spice said:

460,000 vehicles , say 2 pax per vehicle, around 920,000 people...

And 70 caught a virus .... even if it was 700 ...

 

 

 

Problem is more people become spreaders, many unwittingly carrying the virus, and they're not from Sturgis. They go back to their hometown and infect 10 people, who then infect 20 people.

It's like compounding interest if you will.

Now if I was chilling in Indo I probably wouldn't be too concerned either...not yet. :default_diablo:

8 hours ago, Thai Spice said:

How many accidents, heart attacks, alcohol induced problems during that event ?

I don't have a link. Do you?

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43 minutes ago, Kathmandu said:

Problem is more people become spreaders, many unwittingly carrying the virus, and they're not from Sturgis. They go back to their hometown and infect 10 people, who then infect 20 people.

It's like compounding interest if you will.

Now if I was chilling in Indo I probably wouldn't be too concerned either...not yet. :default_diablo:

I don't have a link. Do you?

Yes, I agree with the exponential spreading.

No worries at all here, that's the advantage of a sleepy,  pensioners beach town !

No link, I couldn't be bothered to look for one.  As you know, I look / read this stuff from afar and with a smile !

 

 

 

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There are starting to be more & more infections linked to the Sturgis motorcycle rally held earlier this month in the US.

Sturgis Motorcycle Rally Linked To More Than 100 Infections In At Least 8 States

"A motorcycle rally held earlier this month in South Dakota has been linked to at least 122 coronavirus cases across eight states, health officials said, marking an increase in infections associated with the rally from just last week..."

Full article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/08/25/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-linked-to-more-than-100-infections-in-at-least-8-states/#64ee8aef11b7

. . .

Know any superspreaders?

“Any one of us could unknowingly be a superspreader.”

How superspreading is fueling the pandemic — and how we can stop it

We now know that, on average, people with the novel coronavirus infect about two other people and most actually pass the virus to just one other person, or to no one else at all.

But some go on to infect many, many more, often before they even get symptoms. Many of these transmission chains begin with “superspreading” events, where one person (usually in a crowded indoor space) passes the virus to dozens of others. Early contact tracing studies suggest these events have been a large driver of transmission around the world. By some estimates, 10 percent of people have been causing 80 percent of new infections.

This is one of the reasons experts are worried about large indoor gatherings — more so than outdoor ones — causing large spikes in case numbers....

Full article: https://www.vox.com/21296067/coronavirus-covid-symptoms-superspreaders-superspreading-contagious-bars-restaurants

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Clustering and superspreading potential of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infections in Hong Kong

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-29548/v1

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43 minutes ago, fforest said:

NOT WEARING A MASK IN BALI IS NOW ILLEGAL AND PUNISHABLE BY FINES

https://thebalisun.com/not-wearing-a-mask-in-bali-is-now-illegal-and-punishable-by-fines/

People caught not wearing a mask outside their home in Bali will now be fined Rp. 100 thousand.

 

Next it will be jail without a mask....

Another scam to make money ....

Worst case scenario, the Pecalang (traditional Bali police) will be out for a few days to collect some $$ and then everything will be back to normal.

 

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This Covid thing is a good business for a few selected people....

https://www.thejakartapost.com/amp/news/2020/03/23/covid-19-indonesia-to-provide-financial-incentives-for-frontline-doctors-nurses.html

COVID-19: Indonesia to provide financial incentives for frontline doctors, nurses

"The government is to provide a Rp 15 million (US$886.79) incentive to medical specialists, Rp 10 million to physicians and dentists, Rp 7.5 million to nurses and Rp 5 million to other medical staff members, he added.

We will also provide a total of Rp 300 million for compensation in case of death. This is applies to regions that have declared a state of emergency,” Jokowi said on Monday."

Not bad for a country where the minimum salary is 3 million (in Jakarta)

And then this happens

https://www.thejakartapost.com/amp/news/2020/04/16/doctors-resign-from-covid-19-referral-hospital-in-north-sumatra-over-incentives.html

At least five specialist doctors working at Padang Sidempuan Hospital, a COVID-19 referral hospital in North Sumatra, have resigned from their positions in response to reportedly unpaid incentives"

https://en.tempo.co/read/1366807/health-minister-says-hospitals-not-trying-to-profit-from-pandemic

TEMPO.CO, Jakarta - Indonesian Health Minister Terawan Agus Putranto has refuted allegations that hospitals have been trying to profit from the COVID-19 pandemic, arguing that hospitals have rules of professional conduct and ethics regarding medical services.

 

From the local rumor mill : "stay away from hospitals ! They NEED Covid patients and victims to continue cashing their incentives." Understood, if they dont have any, they will "create" them ...

Anyway, I have zero intention of going anywhere close to any hospital at the moment.

It's all good fun, except for the millions of small people who are victims of the comedy.

 

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On 8/23/2020 at 7:31 PM, code_slayer_bkk said:

Same for me ....

In the deep South I wonder if anyone ever took it seriously .. maybe the first week ... and all of the big places to shop ... but, all the local shops, restaurants and bars everything was normal .. no masks, no social distancing, doubling and tripling up on motorbikes, etc. .....  normal life just went on .

I have been in BKK the last 3 - 4 days ... just got back from 7/11 and none of the customers had a mask on ... only the gals behind the counters ... a couple of outdoor bars and restaurants close to where I live and no one has a mask on .... social distancing in BKK is non-existent.

It is very different in Tak province where I stay until I return to Bangsaray/Pattaya for a week and a half each month for R & R and my sanity.

You still cannot enter any of the three major Shopping Centers without wearing a mask, signing in and having a temperature test. The same in all 7/11's except the signing in has become somewhat optional.

There was also strictly enforced prohibition of travelling outside, or entering, the Region for a period. That has long since ended.

Social distancing was also strictly enforced but now relaxed and largely now totally ignored.

For the first 3 months or so post the start of Covid19 almost 100% of Thai's were wearing masks outside of the shopping centers. That has gradually reduced to probably less than 50%. I now only wear a mask when going shopping. I never believed that wearing a mask made much difference but I did not wish to be the looked at farang embarrassing teerak.

Initially I  thought these measures were way over the top but that view was not shared by Thai's in the province if Sai and her family are representative. The reason I have changed my mind is quite simple. In the whole province there have been just TWO Covid19 cases and they were both visitors from Pattaya. One of Sai's friends who visits regularly is a senior nurse at the large Government Hospital where the two cases were treated and she is certain they would have heard if there were other cases in the province.

Coincidence, luck or prudent good management?

Take your pick.

 

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