KWA Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, code_slayer_bkk said: Will they make excuses for a 3rd, 4th and 5th dose? Probably ... because this whole China virus bullshit is a power grab .... Why 2 ? .... When all of the big pharma companies are saying that their current vaccine is 95 % .... All the main vaccines being discussed rely on an initial jab and a booster 4 weeks later and that's where they get their 95% or whatever figures from. 2 doses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Kathmandu said: Isn't it amazing how the Monday morning Quarterbacks are all over this thread? Some people think they're as good as Aaron Rogers, Patrick Mahomes or Jim Plunkett. Edited December 30, 2020 by fygjam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painter Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55280671 AstraZeneca vaccine approved in the UK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washedup Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 The oxford vaccine cant come soon enough..game changer for the world 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 3 hours ago, KWA said: All the main vaccines being discussed rely on an initial jab and a booster 4 weeks later and that's where they get their 95% or whatever figures from. 2 doses. So, tell me, having tested those magic vacines only 6 months, and the world having only 9 month experience / knowledge of C19 how can any of those big pharma boys GUARANTEE what is the duration.of this vacine protection ? Because if one says it's one year, it means they have done trials with follow up over a year ? So, mathematically the vacines having being approved 1.or 2 months ago how can anybody guarantee the duration of their efectiveness ? Not my words, plse refer to the study by The Lancet that I posted a few hours ago .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondropkid Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 3 hours ago, KWA said: All the main vaccines being discussed rely on an initial jab and a booster 4 weeks later and that's where they get their 95% or whatever figures from. 2 doses. Interesting point from the announcement this that the Oxford jab from Jan 4th in the UK UK seems to be going for the strategy that Blair was after, give as many in the target group the first dose as quickly as possible. Lag between first and the second booster for most will be longer than 4 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murchie Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 47 minutes ago, Thai Spice said: So, tell me, having tested those magic vacines only 6 months, and the world having only 9 month experience / knowledge of C19 how can any of those big pharma boys GUARANTEE what is the duration.of this vacine protection ? Because if one says it's one year, it means they have done trials with follow up over a year ? So, mathematically the vacines having being approved 1.or 2 months ago how can anybody guarantee the duration of their efectiveness ? Not my words, plse refer to the study by The Lancet that I posted a few hours ago .... Pharmaceutical companies don't guarantee that a paracetamol will work never mind guaranteeing that a vaccine will. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 35 minutes ago, Thai Spice said: So, tell me, having tested those magic vacines only 6 months, and the world having only 9 month experience / knowledge of C19 how can any of those big pharma boys GUARANTEE what is the duration.of this vacine protection ? Because if one says it's one year, it means they have done trials with follow up over a year ? So, mathematically the vacines having being approved 1.or 2 months ago how can anybody guarantee the duration of their efectiveness ? Not my words, plse refer to the study by The Lancet that I posted a few hours ago .... You really are getting desperate! Last point first. The comment in The Lancet was just that. Comment commissioned by the editor, it was NOT a study although the unsophisticated may not be able to tell the difference. A study involves actually studying something and collecting data, analysis and conclusions. Please show the data from The Lancet comment. Next, show us where the big pharma boys have guaranteed the duration of the vaccines. Come on, put up or STFU. However anyone who knows even a little bit about immunology knows that long lasting immunity requires a good T cell response. Memory T cells are antigen-specific T cells that remain long-term after an infection has beeneliminated. The memory T cells are quickly converted into large numbers of effector T cells uponre-exposure to the specific invading antigen, thus providing a rapid response to past infection. The function of a vaccine is to simulate a past infection. The manufactures of the 3 vaccines which have an emergency use approval are claiming good T cell response although I don't think they have provided any data. After all the aim of the Phase III vaccine trials was to prove efficacy against disease (which they did). And T cell response is harder to measure compared to B cell response. The Phase IV trial (mass vaccination of the general population) is when the durability of immunity will be measured. I know you think that lack of durability data fits in with your "nothing does anything so there is no point in doing anything" approach. It doesn't. Put on your big boy pants and suck it up. As for me, if it lasts a year then it's the same as the flu vaccination. Anything else is a bonus. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazle Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 https://www.aol.com/news/louisiana-congressman-luke-letlow-dead-030127113-042605145.html Louisiana congressman-elect, 41, dies of COVID-19 U.S. Sen. Bill Cassidy, a Republican and doctor who tested positive for COVID-19 earlier this year and has since recovered, posted in a Twitter video: “It just, just, just, just brings home COVID can kill. For most folks it doesn't, but it truly can. So, as you remember Luke, his widow, his children in your prayers, remember as well to be careful with COVID.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code_slayer_bkk Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 4 hours ago, KWA said: All the main vaccines being discussed rely on an initial jab and a booster 4 weeks later and that's where they get their 95% or whatever figures from. 2 doses. Well, I guess I don't read as much as I should .... now it is 2 doses ,, used to be 1 ... WTF do I know ... I know this though .. they can forget me ... I don't need anything that big governments are pushing down the throats of others .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code_slayer_bkk Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Bazle said: https://www.aol.com/news/louisiana-congressman-luke-letlow-dead-030127113-042605145.html Louisiana congressman-elect, 41, dies of COVID-19 U.S. Sen. Bill Cassidy, a Republican and doctor who tested positive for COVID-19 earlier this year and has since recovered, posted in a Twitter video: “It just, just, just, just brings home COVID can kill. For most folks it doesn't, but it truly can. So, as you remember Luke, his widow, his children in your prayers, remember as well to be careful with COVID.” Yea, what was the "real" reason ? How the f**k can you believe anything ... Trump, Macron, Johnson, Barselemi ( Brazil ) .. so , many other have kicked the shit out of this china virus ... The fucking news and politicians has everyone thinking "doom and gloom" ... Jeez " trying to stay sober with all of this doom and gloom and I always end up drunk " ... lol Edited December 30, 2020 by code_slayer_bkk 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 25 minutes ago, Thai Spice said: Did you read the Lancet thing ? Simply answer yes or no... Note that I am not pushing things, I didn't ask if you UNDERSTOOD it ... And, BTW no Aussie asshole tells me to STFU .... Answered already. Apparently you had trouble understanding the answer. Keep it up, you may end up on the bench which will have the same effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code_slayer_bkk Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, fygjam said: Answered already. Apparently you had trouble understanding the answer. Keep it up, you may end up on the bench which will have the same effect. Bro . don't you have an personal opinion ? .. Or are you a google bandit ? What does " end up on the bench " mean ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washedup Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 34 minutes ago, code_slayer_bkk said: Yea, what was the "real" reason ? How the f**k can you believe anything ... Trump, Macron, Johnson, Barselemi ( Brazil ) .. so , many other have kicked the shit out of this china virus ... The fucking news and politicians has everyone thinking "doom and gloom" ... Jeez " trying to stay sober with all of this doom and gloom and I always end up drunk " ... lol Great music and beer always a good time 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, code_slayer_bkk said: Bro . don't you have an personal opinion ? .. Or are you a google bandit ? What does " end up on the bench " mean ? Personal opinion expressed already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code_slayer_bkk Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, fygjam said: Personal opinion expressed already! What does " end up on the bench" mean ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, code_slayer_bkk said: What does " end up on the bench" mean ? See if you can work it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code_slayer_bkk Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, Washedup said: Great music and beer always a good time 👍 Yea Bro ... I love to party ... blow the "shit" away .. keep a good smile on your face ... just walk on throughout life in a good way .... But, if shit comes .. just deal with it ... it is all really pretty easy .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazle Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, code_slayer_bkk said: Yea, what was the "real" reason ? How the f**k can you believe anything ... Trump, Macron, Johnson, Barselemi ( Brazil ) .. so , many other have kicked the shit out of this china virus ... BoJo hardly "kicked the shit" out of Covid-19. If you are interested in the story, it is recounted here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/boris-johnson-and-coronavirus-inside-story-illness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 2 hours ago, code_slayer_bkk said: Well, I guess I don't read as much as I should .... now it is 2 doses ,, used to be 1 ... WTF do I know ... I know this though .. they can forget me ... I don't need anything that big governments are pushing down the throats of others .. Off the top of my head I can't think of any vaccines that don't require a booster shot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washedup Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Any BM's in the Essex area..major incident declared as hospitals struggle to cope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 9 hours ago, Thai Spice said: What I dont understand in the UK, why when an hospital arrives at saturation they dont dispatch patients to hospitals in areas which are less touched by the virus ? We did it during the 1st wave (medical trains and Air Force planes) , Belgium did it (they have send patients to Germany, and Germany is doing it now as well. It's not like every region is hit at 100% ? Any answer ? (Without involving Macron or the EU plse ....) Well, ask a simple technical question, nobody answers.... Say ONE thing about mask or vaccine, you have 10 answers barking ... FFS ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfc2007 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, roobob said: Hey hey.... are you sure he is a genuine Aussie that was born and bred there???? But agree... he needed a retort... he seems to think that everything he puts up is the be all end all and no one should dare have a different opinion or question him,,,,, that is why he has continually played the poster with his usual superior air and cheap name calling against those who do.... aka his idiot comment. cheers That's not unique to the covid extremists. They seem to think they are morally superior to anyone who questions anything about what's going on. Here in the UK people are being called bigots if they refuse to wear a mask. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 This topic is becoming rather personal and some posts have been lifted. To those concerned please stick to replying to the topic rather than personal stuff. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasseye Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 6 hours ago, Bazle said: https://www.aol.com/news/louisiana-congressman-luke-letlow-dead-030127113-042605145.html Louisiana congressman-elect, 41, dies of COVID-19 U.S. Sen. Bill Cassidy, a Republican and doctor who tested positive for COVID-19 earlier this year and has since recovered, posted in a Twitter video: “It just, just, just, just brings home COVID can kill. For most folks it doesn't, but it truly can. So, as you remember Luke, his widow, his children in your prayers, remember as well to be careful with COVID.” Wow..... finally some good news ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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