fforest Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) George Carlin on germs and disease.......Boy could we use George now.... Edited March 17, 2020 by fforest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krapow Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Thai Spice said: France is not the question... Why dont you simply answer the question with a valid argument ? FFS ! If one person in any household has a persistent cough or fever, everyone living there must stay at home for 14 days => You think people living in a small flat will stay in for 2 weeks. So at the end you have the whole family contiminated ? Those people should, if possible, avoid leaving the house "even to buy food or essentials" - but they may leave the house "for exercise and, in that case, at a safe distance from others" => dont go buy food or essentials ? Fucking panic it is. Nothing to do with the country ! Sigh! Aye, panic it is, every single Government and health professional on the planet agree on this, but Spicy from 24/7 knows better! Give my head peace ffs! You're getting on like a little child how can't get his way. The likelihood is if one is infected in a household the others will be as well. Hence trying to contain it to the said household and not spread it. If they need medical intervention, then they can also get that. Don't go out IF POSSIBLE!!! Again to try and not spread it. If you have friends not family can drop supplies off. If not, like us in London, then of course you have to go out. It's not rocket science, hardly hard to grasp! All I can say is again, It is of no surprise in the slightest that France have to enforce this due to idiots thinking they know better. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krapow Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) Just read the report from one of the Government's top scientists from Imperial College who was at the Cobra meeting today and which prompted these latest actions by the UK Government. Very sobering reading. States from their modelling that, and I quote, there was going to be a 'catastrophic epidemic' resulting in about 260,000 deaths in the UK. Hence the change of direction. Also states though, that these new actions will most likely have to continue in some shape or form until a vaccine is ready and rolled out in about 18months. As no cure, no widespread immunity with the change in direction, but less deaths. But that's obviously all just panic, overhyped shit, it's really just the flu, bro! Edited March 17, 2020 by Krapow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Krapow said: Just read the report from one of the Government's top scientists from Imperial College who was at the Cobra meeting today and which prompted these latest actions by the UK Government. Very sobering reading. States from their modelling that, and I quote, there was going to be a 'catastrophic epidemic' resulting in about 260,000 deaths in the UK. Hence the change of direction. Also states though, that these new actions will most likely have to continue in some shape or form until a vaccine is ready and rolled out in about 18months. As no cure, no widespread immunity with the change in direction, but less deaths. But that's obviously all just panic, overhyped shit, it's really just the flu, bro! Any official, government or even media who makes this kind of stuff public is IRRESPONSIBLE. Even it is (could be) a hypothesis to consider, it is an info to keep secret amongst high level decision makers. They can elaborate their plan keeping this in mind, but disclosing it publicly is totally irresponsible. It is just adding to the panic. The government job is to CONTROL the situation. You're are in movie theater, a small fire breaks out, you as person in charge start to organize the evacuation but at same time you tell the 1000 persons present "keep calm, we organize the evacuation, just follow our instructions, but sadly it is a sure fact that at.least 300 of you will die" What you think will happen ? A stampede and even more will die. Even it is true, even you know it, you dont say it. Think Titanic... Its not rocket science, its basic management. Same as when you prepare massif lay offs. You dont shout it on the roof in advance. DISCLAIMER : This is my opinion, my view. Of course you can oppose a well structured argumentation against it, very welcome. But saying TS is an idiot or the French dont do better is NOT a solid argumentation ! Just saying... Edited March 17, 2020 by Thai Spice 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqualung Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Bickering among bms here is not to bad. Consider my and me old mothers situation with having a brain dead drug addict living here when she feels like it. Telling her how serious this situation is just goes over her head. As long as she gets her fix she's OK. Not a thought in the world as to how things are going to get worse. Luckily, for now, there's not one positive case of this shitty disease where I live. But as soon as I find out the contrary, the druggy will have one choice only. Stay here for good without fucking off for her fix or f**k off and don't reappear here. My old mum is 79 with bowel cancer and other underlying conditions and she doesn't need a druggy, uneducated, selfish little cnut spreading covid 19 here. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Krapow said: Just read the report from one of the Government's top scientists from Imperial College who was at the Cobra meeting today and which prompted these latest actions by the UK Government. Very sobering reading. States from their modelling that, and I quote, there was going to be a 'catastrophic epidemic' resulting in about 260,000 deaths in the UK. Hence the change of direction. Also states though, that these new actions will most likely have to continue in some shape or form until a vaccine is ready and rolled out in about 18months. As no cure, no widespread immunity with the change in direction, but less deaths. But that's obviously all just panic, overhyped shit, it's really just the flu, bro! I am fairly certain that the mention of 260,000 deaths was "worst case scenario." Well I was watching the box yesterday which included an interview with a senior UK medical "expert" who stated almost as an afterthought that even with the elderly members of the public with other health problems who are those most at risk the majority will have a mild experience of coronavirus and will recover. That leaves a minority of the elderly with prior medical conditions who will sadly die with their total numbers ever increasing but still a minority of the overall numbers of the public who will go down with coronavirus. There seems to be a general agreement that the vast majority who get coronavirus will recover quite quickly with many experiencing mild symptoms. So be extra nice to Grannie , just in case, and listen to Mr Mannering............................Don't panic! Be happy. We all have to peg out eventually.🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 47 minutes ago, Thai Spice said: Any official, government or even media who makes this kind of stuff public is IRRESPONSIBLE. Even it is (could be) a hypothesis to consider, it is an info to keep secret amongst high level decision makers. They can elaborate their plan keeping this in mind, but disclosing it publicly is totally irresponsible. It is just adding to the panic. The government job is to CONTROL the situation. You're are in movie theater, a small fire breaks out, you as person in charge start to organize the evacuation but at same time you tell the 1000 persons present "keep calm, we organize the evacuation, just follow our instructions, but sadly it is a sure fact that at.least 300 of you will die" What you think will happen ? A stampede and even more will die. Even it is true, even you know it, you dont say it. Think Titanic... Its not rocket science, its basic management. Same as when you prepare massif lay offs. You dont shout it on the roof in advance. DISCLAIMER : This is my opinion, my view. Of course you can oppose a well structured argumentation against it, very welcome. But saying TS is an idiot or the French dont do better is NOT a solid argumentation ! Just saying... I guess you wouldn't sound tsunami alarms or make volcanic eruption announcements for the same reasons. The NHS tells the people of the UK that 78,000 will die from smoking related illnesses in any one year. Do you see the people running around panicking because of that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 It's only a news report. We wouldn't want the forum to turn into a scientific or medical one would we. The Doherty Institute in Melbourne were the first to "grow" the virus in a lab outside of China. Melbourne scientists make major coronavirus breakthrough A global coronavirus breakthrough from Melbourne scientists could fast track treatments and vaccines to fight the illness, as well as help identify those at risk of dying. Melbourne scientists have discovered how the human body overcomes coronavirus in a global breakthrough hoped to fast-track treatments, vaccines and even identify those at risk of dying. The Doherty Institute researchers have also shown that healthy people can expect to fight off mild to moderate COVID-19 cases in three days. For the first time the Doherty team has been able to map in detail the way a patient’s immune system responded to COVID-19, revealing the weapons it used to overcome the new killer. In further good news, lead researcher Professor Katherine Kedzierska said the antibodies released by the human immune system to overcome coronavirus are very similar to those it uses to combat influenza — despite it never having being exposed to the disease. “It suggests to us that we can fight the virus and we can drive recovery from COVID-19,” Prof Kedzierska said. “We found that although COVID-19 is caused by a new virus, in a previously healthy patient robust immune responses can be elicited and associated with clinical recovery. “We found in this patient three days after hospital admission we could see the emergence of specific cell populations in the blood.” When a 47-year-old woman from Wuhan presented to a Melbourne hospital as one of Australia’s first coronavirus cases, the Melbourne researchers were already set up to run a detailed analysis of her blood as she progressed through her illness. The results, published in Nature Medicine, show the range of antibodies the woman’s immune system recruited to successfully fight off the invading infection. Another four Australian COVID-19 patients and their recovery have since been studied to show the same response — that patients recover three days after the antibodies begin to build up. Identifying which antibodies must be triggered to combat COVID-19 is the key needed by teams across the world racing to develop a vaccine. “Knowing that patients can mount antibody responses is important for the vaccination development, as the majority of vaccines are based on antibody responses,” Prof Kedzierska said. “This information will allow us to evaluate any vaccine candidates. In an ideal world the vaccine should mimic our bodies.” The work could also boost efforts to develop an antibody therapy to beat coronavirus. Rather than a vaccine, some scientists are pushing to develop drugs that mimic the weapons used by the immune system to kill the virus, which would be enhanced by the discovery of the antibodies. While the study should provide some reassurance for the 80 per cent of people who can easily fight off COVID-19, it may have far greater benefits for those at most risk. By testing a person’s blood for the build up of coronavirus-fighting antibodies as they become ill, Prof Kedzierska said doctors may be able to identify those who cannot fight off the virus on their own and need hospitalisation and interventions. https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/melbourne-scientists-make-major-coronavirus-breakthrough/news-story/186e66a93421a62c50dfaebbc516cded 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 For the romantics, shred a few tears plse... But it is well and nicely made, I admit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 11 hours ago, Evil Penevil said: Coronavirus: 1st dose to be delivered in clinical trial of vaccine for COVID-19 Sunday, March 15, 2020 7:33PM WASHINGTON -- A clinical trial evaluating a vaccine designed to protect against the new coronavirus will begin Monday, according to a government official. The first participant in the trial will receive the experimental vaccine on Monday, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the trial has not been publicly announced yet. The National Institutes of Health is funding the trial, which is taking place at a Kaiser Permanente research facility in Washington state, the official said. Public health officials say it will take a year to 18 months to fully validate any potential vaccine. Coronavirus: Trial of potential COVID-19 vaccine begins in the US Four healthy volunteers have been jabbed with a potential vaccination for coronavirus in the US as researchers scramble. The first human trial of a vaccine against the coronavirus has begun in the United States today. The vaccine is called mRNA-1273 and was developed by US National Institute of Health scientists and collaborators at biotechnology company Moderna, based in Cambridge, Massachusetts. The first jabs were given to four healthy volunteers at the Kaiser Permanente Washington Research Institute in Seattle on Monday (local time). “The open-label trial will enrol 45 healthy adult volunteers ages 18 to 55 years over approximately 6 weeks,” the NIH said, noting it is only for adults in the Seattle area. “The first participant received the investigational vaccine today.” https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/coronavirus-trial-of-potential-covid19-vaccine-begins-in-the-us/news-story/5abbbd08551a212795f6ff293028e34b As posted on this forum 10 days ago. Safety and Immunogenicity Study of 2019-nCoV Vaccine (mRNA-1273) to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection Study Description Brief Summary: This is a phase I, open-label, dose ranging clinical trial in males and non-pregnant females, 18 to 55 years of age, inclusive, who are in good health and meet all eligibility criteria. This clinical trial is designed to assess the safety, reactogenicity and immunogenicity of mRNA-1273 manufactured by ModernaTX, Inc. mRNA-1273 is a novel lipid nanoparticle (LNP)-encapsulated mRNA-based vaccine that encodes for a full-length, prefusion stabilized spike (S) protein of 2019-novel coronavirus (nCoV). Enrollment will occur at one domestic site. Forty-five subjects will be enrolled into one of three cohorts and will receive an intramuscular (IM) injection of mRNA-1273 on Days 1 and 29 in the deltoid muscle. Subjects will be followed through 12 months post second vaccination (Day 394). The primary objective is to evaluate the safety and reactogenicity of a 2-dose vaccination schedule of mRNA-1273, given 28 days apart, across 3 dosages in healthy adults. Detailed Description: This is a phase I, open-label, dose ranging clinical trial in males and non-pregnant females, 18 to 55 years of age, inclusive, who are in good health and meet all eligibility criteria. This clinical trial is designed to assess the safety, reactogenicity and immunogenicity of mRNA-1273 manufactured by ModernaTX, Inc. mRNA-1273 is a novel lipid nanoparticle (LNP)-encapsulated mRNA-based vaccine that encodes for a full-length, prefusion stabilized spike (S) protein of 2019-novel coronavirus (nCoV). Enrollment will occur at one domestic site. Forty-five subjects will be enrolled into one of three cohorts (25 microgram [mcg], 100 mcg, 250 mcg). Subjects will receive an intramuscular (IM) injection (0.5 milliliter [mL]) of mRNA-1273 on Days 1 and 29 in the deltoid muscle and will be followed through 12 months post second vaccination (Day 394). Follow-up visits will occur 1, 2 and 4 weeks post each vaccination (Days 8, 15, 29, 36, 43, and 57), as well as 3, 6 and 12 months post second vaccination (Days 119, 209 and 394). The primary objective is to evaluate the safety and reactogenicity of a 2-dose vaccination schedule of mRNA-1273, given 28 days apart, across 3 dosages in healthy adults. The secondary objective is to evaluate the immunogenicity as measured by IgG ELISA to the 2019-nCoV S protein following a 2-dose vaccination schedule of mRNA-1273 at Day 57. Study Design Study Type : Interventional (Clinical Trial) Estimated Enrollment : 45 participants Allocation: Non-Randomized Intervention Model: Sequential Assignment Masking: None (Open Label) Primary Purpose: Prevention Official Title: Phase I, Open-Label, Dose-Ranging Study of the Safety and Immunogenicity of 2019-nCoV Vaccine (mRNA-1273) in Healthy Adults Estimated Study Start Date : March 19, 2020 Estimated Primary Completion Date : June 1, 2021 Estimated Study Completion Date : June 1, 2021 https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04283461?term=vaccine&cond=covid-19&draw=2&rank=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 42 minutes ago, fygjam said: I guess you wouldn't sound tsunami alarms or make volcanic eruption announcements for the same reasons. The NHS tells the people of the UK that 78,000 will die from smoking related illnesses in any one year. Do you see the people running around panicking because of that? One case is CLEAR AND IMMINENT DANGER, the other is not. Concerning the smoking thing, well obviously many (even on here) dont give a shit about the risk, but panic about the virus ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, Thai Spice said: One case is CLEAR AND IMMINENT DANGER, the other is not. Concerning the smoking thing, well obviously many (even on here) dont give a shit about the risk, but panic about the virus ? Doctors in Italy having to decide who dies and who doesn't is not a CLEAR AND IMMINENT DANGER. What happened if China in the early stages before it was a pandemic doesn't portend a CLEAR AND IMMINENT DANGER. If you think NOT then you really have your head stuck in a place it shouldn't be. If you take the population of the UK, 68 million, and take 65% of that, an estimate of the infection rate if precautions are not taken, and take 0.6% of that, the South Korean CFR after extensive testing, you get a figure of about 265,000 deaths. It's not rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 The Politicians shutting the world down is the CLEAR AND IMMINENT DANGER.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, fforest said: The Politicians shutting the world down is the CLEAR AND IMMINENT DANGER.... Yeah, but notice they didn't shut down the financial markets (yet) ! And note that South Korea, HKG, Japan didn't shut down. Just did strict arrival regulations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Thai Spice said: Yeah, but notice they didn't shut down the financial markets (yet) ! And note that South Korea, HKG, Japan didn't shut down. Just did strict arrival regulations. Coronavirus: Wall St grinds to a halt in first minute of opening Stocks have taken another stunning nosedive on Wall Street, triggering a trading halt within the first minute of opening. Nope. Financial markets trading as normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, fygjam said: Coronavirus: Wall St grinds to a halt in first minute of opening Stocks have taken another stunning nosedive on Wall Street, triggering a trading halt within the first minute of opening. Nope. Financial markets trading as normal. Back to school.... The markets will be suspended in case of certain level of drop is reached.. https://www.nyse.com/markets/nyse/trading-info Nothing to do with the virus, but with panic selling and automated selling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grayray Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 one good thing about this chinese virus,it has shut the "climate change" hoaxers right up oh! there was one ABC Australia woke shelia did try to bring in that "climate change" was responsible for the outbreak of the "virus" but the usual woke looney left plicks did not join in. the latest ABC hoaxer who is just your every day MD Nolan???the bullshitters are making out he is the next best thing since slice bread, promoting him like he is more qualified than the CMO,cause he says everything thats is different than ScoMo.there is enough different bullshit out there, no wonder the general population is in a panic f**k the hoaxers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, Thai Spice said: Back to school.... The markets will be suspended in case of certain level of drop is reached.. https://www.nyse.com/markets/nyse/trading-info Nothing to do with the virus, but with panic selling and automated selling. And what do you think (if you actually do think) triggered the selling? The current phase of the moon. I know that there are people whose brains just aren't wired to be able to handle a crisis. They'll just keep on denying it's happening, say it's just a cold, ain't going to affect me or my behaviour. For them ignorance really is bliss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, fygjam said: And what do you think (if you actually do think) triggered the selling? The current phase of the moon. I know that there are people whose brains just aren't wired to be able to handle a crisis. They'll just keep on denying it's happening, say it's just a cold, ain't going to affect me or my behaviour. For them ignorance really is bliss! Nope, plenty financial reasons. A speculator doesn't give a morwl shit what causes the drop, he just tries to use opportunity, whatever caused it. Add to that the shorts, and automatic triggered "stop loss" sales. Of course there is a part of panic. But when every stock in every sector loses between 30 and 50% in a few days there is no logic. "I know that there are people whose brains just aren't wired to be able to handle a crisis." You're absolutely right, those are the ones that panic and follow the herd in whatever direction it runs.... Oops, and there is a rule : If you are going to panic, make sure to be among the first ones to do it..... Edited March 17, 2020 by Thai Spice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Surfing Youtube I found this docu. The great thing is it was posted 18 months ago, so not realised under the influence / pressure of the actual panic. The subject is the Spanish flu, but the similarities with the actual situation are really impressive. The analysis done by the intervenants could now be considered as premonitory. So even posted by this idiot non believer, have a look. It is British BTW. Another name to Google on the subject is Laura Spinney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfc2007 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Human testing for a vaccine to get underway in the US today. Only made possible because of the brilliance of Donald Trump. The world will be forever in his debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, dcfc2007 said: Human testing for a vaccine to get underway in the US today. Only made possible because of the brilliance of Donald Trump. The world will be forever in his debt. Gee, have you been asleep for a couple of weeks? See post #110. The takeaway Estimated Study Completion Date : June 1, 2021 That vaccine study was proposed while the Orange Dude was saying "everything is beautiful". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfc2007 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, fygjam said: Gee, have you been asleep for a couple of weeks? See post #110. The takeaway Estimated Study Completion Date : June 1, 2021 That vaccine study was proposed while the Orange Dude was saying "everything is beautiful". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) One upshot in Australia. It was on the TV news last night so no link. WA police have suspended routine random breath testing (booze busses). There is a link Police in several Australian states have stopped conducting stationary, large-scale random breath tests and drug tests in an effort to protect both officers and the public from transmission of the COVID-19 coronavirus. Police forces in Western Australia, New South Wales, Victoria and Queensland this week confirmed their officers will avoid carrying out high-volume booze bus testing, instead relying on targeted testing to catch those driving under the influence. https://www.drive.com.au/news/police-suspend-mass-random-breath-testing-in-some-states-amid-coronavirus-outbreak-123380.html?trackLink=SMH2 Edited March 17, 2020 by fygjam found the link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Well this will be interesting... Dutch embrace 'herd immunity' as dire death warning prompts UK to change course https://www.watoday.com.au/world/europe/dutch-embrace-herd-immunity-as-dire-death-warning-prompts-uk-to-change-course-20200317-p54arv.html Japanese man tests positive for coronavirus second time after hospital recovery https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/japanese-man-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-second-time-after-hospital-recovery/news-story/f640e206dc36879719d043e129ce7f8d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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