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1 hour ago, Jambo said:

None of which will make a real difference in practice in eradicating Covid19 unless a successful vaccine is available world wide at a price that can be afforded with a significantly higher takeup by the world's population than is currently being achieved with Flu vaccines.

Personally, unless I am required to have had a vaccination in order to fly I think I will take my chances and give a vaccination a miss for a year or two to see what side effects show up. So much political pressure in play to come up with a vaccine. 

I think I will be able to afford this price.

 

Every Australian will secure a COVID-19 vaccine for free under a deal to be announced by
the Prime Minister Scott Morrison to manufacture millions of doses here in Australia.

News.com.au can reveal that the Morrison Government will confirm the landmark
agreement on Wednesday with drug giant AstraZeneca to manufacture one of the world’s
most promising coronavirus vaccines currently being developed by Oxford University
researchers.

If it’s proved safe to use, the Prime Minister believes the agreement will ensure Australians
will be among the first countries in the world to secure the jab. The UK Government has
already ordered 100 million doses.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-vaccine-scott-morrison-to-announce-free-covid19-vaccines-for-australians/news-story/2ae498bf632fd6ae6aa2d667f22e41a3


 

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In the meantime, stick a pineapple up your nose.

Australian researchers are testing a breakthrough treatment for COVID-19 derived from the
humble pineapple.

Cancer specialist Professor David Morris, from St George Hospital in Sydney, and his team
have repurposed a drug he had already developed to treat cancer patients.

The drug, BromAc – which is made with an enzyme found in pineapples -was found to
dissolve the spike proteins that COVID-19 uses to infect human cells.

It has been repurposed into a nasal spray that researchers hope will stop the virus’ spread
from the nose and throat to the lungs. A trial on patients at the Royal Melbourne Hospital
could start next month.

“We’ve taken a drug in development for more than a decade and asked whether it can be
adapted for treating people infected with COVID-19,” Prof David Morris said in a
statement.

“Our lab results show the new drug renders the COVID-19 spike ineffective, stopping it
from infecting other cells.

“We hope the results will show the treatment can confine COVID to the nose and throat and
prevent lung infection, and stop infected patients from passing on the live virus.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/live-coronavirus-nsw-sydney-covid19-updates/live-coverage/44555ed808dc295809920692395065ce

 

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4 minutes ago, Bazle said:

But will you have it?

If the phase III trials currently underway in the UK, South Africa, Brazil and possibly the US don't indicate any problems, why not.

I've got nothing against vaccinations having been vaccinated against a number of diseases throughout my life.

And as I pointed out in an earlier post the ChAdOx1 technology has been around for a while even if it hasn't made it to a licensed vaccine yet.

 

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10 hours ago, Jambo said:

I think that is just about spot on.

Covid-19 is not going to simply disappear following the advent of a vaccine. We all have to learn to live with it and accept that it is here for ever and a percentage of the population will sadly die from it but that is natural selection in practice.

Well, well, at last we get there......

Took only 5.months to see the obvious....

 

 

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13 hours ago, fygjam said:

I think I will be able to afford this price.

If it’s proved safe to use, the Prime Minister believes the agreement will ensure Australians
will be among the first countries in the world to secure the jab.

 

Fingers crossed you don't all turn into looking like extra's from The Walking Dead after 6 months. 🤣

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Coronavirus vaccine: Anti-vaxxer fury over Australian government deal

Anti-vaxxers have reacted with fury at Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s announcement of free COVID-19 shots for all Australians.

 

The Morrison Government today confirmed the landmark agreement with drug giant AstraZeneca to manufacture more than 25 million doses of the promising Oxford University vaccine if it proves safe to use.

Mr Morrison subsequently told 3AW that the vaccine, if distributed in Australia, would “be as mandatory as you can possibly make it” but that “there are always exemptions on medical grounds”.

“You know where you can stick that vaccine ScoMo!” one reader wrote on Facebook. “Give it to your squad but don’t you dare come near me or my family with that poison!”

Another said, “Death shots here we come. Line up team sheep. Can’t wait.”

Bill Gates was a common theme. “Is this the one from Dr Bill Gates that believes in lowering the world’s population by use of vaccines significantly to help with ‘climate change’?” one reader asked.

Another said, “The grim reaper is in the house. Bill Gates must be rubbing his hands with all the billions of dollars that he will make.”

One added, “Considering Bill Gates is a eugenicist and this fraudulent orchestrated pandemic is all about the UN’s Agenda 21 and depopulation I think I’ll pass.”

Many comments questioned the need for a vaccine given the recovery rate.

“We need a vaccine for a virus that has a 99.5 per cent cure rate, without the vaccine. Let that sink in,” one wrote.

Another person warned “don’t order too many”. “Most people don’t need a vaccine for something that has a 99.96 (per cent) recovery rate and hydroxychloroquine is a much safer alternative,” she said.

The recovery rate in Australia is about 97 per cent.

Many were also concerned about their vaccine coming with a side of 5G microchips.

“Leave my body alone Bill Gates, I don’t want your 5G tracking inside me,” one wrote.

Another said, “Say no to vaccines and no to chips. They can’t force you.”

Some questioned why the vaccine was “free”. It’s not – the Australian taxpayer will be paying for it.

“No company gives a multi-billion dollar vaccine away for ‘free’,” one commenter said.

“Also the pharma company also apparently states that they are not legally responsible for anything that goes wrong. It’s like playing Russian roulette. No thanks.”

One person explained, “The Mark of the Beast is here. That’s why it’s free.”

The question of whether the vaccine should be mandatory sparked heated debate, even among pro-vaccination readers.

“I’m no anti-vaxxer, I get my flu shot every year and an a very strong supporter of mandatory immunisation. This however sounds a bit scary,” one wrote.

“You can’t release a vaccine onto the public that has not gone through a proper rigorous testing program.”

Similarly, another said, “I’m not keen on any COVID vaccine. A successful vaccine takes years of testing and trials. All these COVID vaccines have been rushed, and we don’t know the possible side effects and long-term effects.”

One woman said she was “not choosing to be a anti-vaxxer”.

“I’m far from it, however I would be wanting way more information released about the vaccine before it’s injected into myself or into my family,” she wrote.

“I feel it’s been rushed, and no one knows about any of the side effects, long-term effects as yet.”

Would you take a COVID-19 vaccine?
 
Yes
70%
 
No
30%
9,208 Voters
 
 
Results
Should the COVID-19 vaccine be mandatory?
 
Yes
58%
 
No
42%
7,977 Voters
 

Public health experts have warned that even if a successful COVID-19 vaccine is developed, large numbers of people refusing to take one may prevent populations from reaching herd immunity.

Science Minister Karen Andrews says there is “enormous risk” people will believe conspiracy theories and refuse the vaccine.

“It’s just beyond the pale and disinformation or misinformation is dangerous and can lead to loss of life,” Ms Andrews told the Herald Sun.

“In my role as Science Minister I’m actually just not prepared to sit there and allow these people to promote pseudoscience.”

Ms Andrews suggested social media platforms had a role in clamping down on conspiracy theories.

Surveys in the US and UK have indicated up to half of respondents would either refuse or be hesitant to take a COVID-19 vaccine.

An Associated Press survey in May found of the half of Americans who wouldn’t get vaccinated, seven in 10 worried about safety.

“I am not an anti-vaxxer,” Colorado Springs woman Melanie Dries told AP. “But to get a COVID-19 vaccine within a year or two … causes me to fear that it won’t be widely tested as to side effects.”

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-vaccine-antivaxxer-fury-over-australian-government-deal/news-story/c1bdcc8035a5bc2f9452d2f4f4552183

 

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Kristina Keneally
@KKeneally


Can @ScottMorrisonMP even lie straight in bed? Is there anything #ScottyFromMarketing won’t spin?


Within hours of his “announcement” of a vaccine deal with AstraZeneca – the company issues a statement saying THERE IS NO DEAL.
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All the more for me if I need it.

 

One of Australia’s most senior Anglican religious leaders now says he will boycott the
COVID-19 vaccine and refuse to take it if it uses cell line research from an foetus aborted
nearly 50 years ago.

Just days after writing to the Prime Minister Scott Morrison with other religious leaders
over his ethical concerns, Anglican Archbishop of Sydney Glenn Davies has revealed he
would prefer to wait for an alternative vaccine that doesn’t use the controversial cell lines.

“I probably would, but that would be a personal decision of mine and not a decision that I
would bind anyone’s conscience with,” Dr Davies told AM.

“To use that tissue for science is reprehensible. From what I’ve understood, there are so
many places around the world on the hunt for this vaccine, which I’m certainly hopeful that
there will be pressure on those countries to make it widely available.

The Oxford University vaccine, which is still undergoing human trials, does not contain any
embryonic material.

What has occurred is that a cell culture grown from a foetus in 1972 has been maintained
and widely used to create a variety of vaccines for chickenpox, rabies and rubella and now
COVID-19 for nearly 50 years.

The furore over the vaccine follows a Spanish Cardinal Antonio Canizares Llovera recently
calling the COVID-19 vaccines using the cell lines as the “work of the devil”.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/anglican-church-leader-says-he-will-boycott-covid19-vaccine/news-story/26d4f59604135ca0698ecde07c8b0783

 

For those wishing to know more about the devil cells.

HEK293 is a cell line derived from human embryonic kidney cells grown in tissue
culture. They are also known, more informally, as HEK cells. This particular line was
initiated by the transformation and culturing of normal HEK cells with sheared
adenovirus 5 DNA. The transformation resulted in the incorporation of approximately
4.5 kilobases from the viral genome into human chromosome 19 of the HEK cells.

https://www.hek293.com/#:~:text=HEK293 is a cell line,with sheared adenovirus 5 DNA.

 

 

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16 hours ago, fygjam said:

 

 

One of Australia’s most senior Anglican religious leaders now says he will boycott the
COVID-19 vaccine and refuse to take it if it uses cell line research from an foetus aborted
nearly 50 years ago

 

 

I take it he refuses most vaccines, medical science and the development of it does sometimes border on somewhat unethical practices in the past. Nazi experiments on hypothermia for example.

bottom line, he is a hypocritical virtue signalling turd.

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12 hours ago, code_slayer_bkk said:

If a government demands I get a vaccination for the Wuhan Virus ... no fucking way ... I won't do it .... I trust no government further than I can spit ...

This is entirely a personal decision ....

 

What if it became mandatory for foreigners to stay in Thailand?

Similar to a visa stamp in your passport. Might even be required to be in one's passport.

Would you do it then?

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21 minutes ago, Thai Spice said:

I doubt that part.... 

 

They're not letting foreigners into TH now without a recent C-19 test, proof of insurance, & 14-day quarantine...if you are one of the lucky ones with a reason.

A vaccine stamp in a passport seems like a fairly innocuous step in comparison.

It could be universal allowing one to travel to multiple countries.

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On 8/22/2020 at 1:30 AM, Butch said:

I was vaccinated for TB,

 

So was I .. but, about 8 - 10 years ago I got TB ... I think because I am always in hospitals .. but, I was feeling like total shit .. I told a Doctor at one of the many  hospitals I work in ...

They gave me an ABI test .. I was positive ... the first week they gave me a shit load of pills to take .. my piss was always some weird color ... I stayed isolated ( in my flat in BKK ) for 2 weeks ... 

I took pills for 8 months ... after the first 2 weeks you are not contagious anymore ... so, I carried on .. but was always a little cautious

Perfect health for many years now ....

I am not sure about any vaccination ... my verdict is still 50/50

Plus, I wrote ( programmed ) this huge complex vaccination system at the hospitals I work with .. based on the US or Thai administration of particular drugs to combat all kinds of diseases .....  I am still 50/50

The only vaccination I am 100% with are Rabies, Japanese Encephalitis, HPV and MMR  ( Measles, Mumps and Rubella )

I want Ziggy to be safe and protected .. but, I have my doubts .... depends on what Beach gal says about this .. then I will weigh alternatives ....

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1 hour ago, lazarus said:

They're not letting foreigners into TH now without a recent C-19 test, proof of insurance, & 14-day quarantine...if you are one of the lucky ones with a reason.

A vaccine stamp in a passport seems like a fairly innocuous step in comparison.

It could be universal allowing one to travel to multiple countries.

Its not how passports works.  If it did, every country could ask for something different going in it. 

Now, that a country requires a proof of vaccination for this or that disease, yes it is possible. It existed.in the past for certain countries. If I remember I had to do it looong time ago for Business or work visa / WP in some ME country. 

Anyway, no plans at all to visit Thailand in the next 12 months .

If I go somewhere in 2021 it will be France, or maybe South Korea (my first Asian love). 

Edit : see hereunder. Now if you believe the WHO, be ready to have a dozen different "recommended" vaccin ! 

https://www.passporthealthusa.com/destination-advice/saudi-arabia/

https://www.passporthealthusa.com/destination-advice/thailand/

"Yes, some vaccines are recommended or required for Thailand. The CDC and WHO recommend the following vaccinations for Thailand: hepatitis A, hepatitis B, typhoid, cholera, yellow fever, Japanese encephalitis, rabies, meningitis, polio, measles, mumps and rubella (MMR), Tdap (tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis), chickenpox, shingles, pneumonia and influenza."

Hahahaha  let me laugh .

 

But, as I said

"Proof of meningitis vaccination is required for entry during Hajj."

 

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29 minutes ago, Thai Spice said:

Its not how passports works.  If it did, every country could ask for something different going in it. 

Now, that a country requires a proof of vaccination for this or that disease, yes it is possible. It existed.in the past for certain countries. If I remember I had to do it looong time ago for Business or work visa / WP in some ME country. 

Yes, it did.

I joined a company in Redhill, Surrey, in 1977 and travelled consistently all over the world for the next 8 years.

It was a prerequisite that all our jabs had to be up to date as we would sometimes travel at a moment's notice. Gatwick airport was only a short drive away and they used to have an inoculation centre up on the top floor (only 1 terminal at Gatwick then). Some jabs would last 10 years (Yellow Fever being one and f**k did that one hurt) but at that time Cholera was one that needed 6 month top-ups. We were regular visitors and the centre gave us a certified certificate for each jab that were held in our passports with an elastic band. It got quite thick, as to ensure countries we visited could see we were current, we'd sometimes have to show the original jab and all the top-ups, to prove everything was up to date.

I can remember I had a set of jabs in May 1978 on a Friday, the next day being FA Cup final day and my team (Ipswich) were in it. What the doc didn't tell me was that for one of the jabs I must abstain from alcohol for 48 hours. I had two pints on the coach on the way to Wembley and felt utter shite. I just couldn't eat or drink anything and was as white as a sheet and nauseous all day. Couldn't even celebrate with all my mates after we won.

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31 minutes ago, Britboy said:

Yes, it did.

I joined a company in Redhill, Surrey, in 1977 and travelled consistently all over the world for the next 8 years.

It was a prerequisite that all our jabs had to be up to date as we would sometimes travel at a moment's notice. Gatwick airport was only a short drive away and they used to have an inoculation centre up on the top floor (only 1 terminal at Gatwick then). Some jabs would last 10 years (Yellow Fever being one and f**k did that one hurt) but at that time Cholera was one that needed 6 month top-ups. We were regular visitors and the centre gave us a certified certificate for each jab that were held in our passports with an elastic band. It got quite thick, as to ensure countries we visited could see we were current, we'd sometimes have to show the original jab and all the top-ups, to prove everything was up to date.

I can remember I had a set of jabs in May 1978 on a Friday, the next day being FA Cup final day and my team (Ipswich) were in it. What the doc didn't tell me was that for one of the jabs I must abstain from alcohol for 48 hours. I had two pints on the coach on the way to Wembley and felt utter shite. I just couldn't eat or drink anything and was as white as a sheet and nauseous all day. Couldn't even celebrate with all my mates after we won.

I remember having a "health passport" or vaccination passport, called "livret de vaccination", in several languages .

But yep, we're going back late 70's or early 80's.

Remember also a jab received in my Navy after catching the clap. "No alcohol" the doctor said. Well, at 21 y old you answer yeah, yeah doc, and same evening you're on the Pastis. Next morning I was on duty, full whites in the sun (Indian Ocean). I blacked out and woke up in the ship's "infirmerie". 

And the doctor "you believe me now, young man ?" 

Now that we're speaking about this,  is the future miracle vaccin "Bintang compatible ?"

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Thai Spice said:

And it still exist. 

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The full package...included some oil for the administrative gears  !

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Yep, that's very similar to what we were given, though each vaccination had it's own sheet. They were made so that when folded they'd fit into the British Passport as it was then, folded in half, all held in with an elastic band.

I definitely have all my old passports in a cardboard box somewhere, but do recall throwing away all the vaccination certificates.

 

 

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