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21 minutes ago, fygjam said:

If it crosses the GoM, next target Mar-a-Lago?

That was on my wish list too, but unfortunately it is not to be.

Altitude now 181 km. The rocket is just merrily skipping it's way along the thermosphere.

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Remnants of China's biggest rocket have crash-landed in the Indian Ocean, with the bulk of its components
destroyed upon re-entry into the Earth's atmosphere, according to Chinese state media.

Parts of the Long March 5B rocket re-entered the atmosphere and landed at a location with the coordinates at
longitude 72.47 degrees east and latitude 2.65 degrees north, Chinese state media cited the China Manned Space
Engineering Office as saying.

The coordinates put the point of impact in the ocean somewhere south-west of India and Sri Lanka.

Most of the debris was burnt up in the atmosphere, it said.

 

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2 hours ago, fygjam said:

Take your pick

EU Space Surveillance and Tracking - 0232 GMT ± 139 minutes

US Space Command - 0204 GMT ± 60 minutes

Center for Orbital Reentry and Debris Studies - 0302 GMT ± 120 minutes

It is now 0104 GMT, the window is open.

Time of reentry was 0224 UTC so looks like US Space Command did get it right, although the wrong country. I'm guessing that was due to poor understanding and reporting on the part of CNN.

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7 minutes ago, forcebwithu said:

Time of reentry was 0224 UTC so looks like US Space Command did get it right, although the wrong country. I'm guessing that was due to poor understanding and reporting on the part of CNN.

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Yep but EU Space Surveillance gets the coconut, at 0232 being only 8 minutes off if the reentry time is correct.

 

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NASA criticizes China's handling of rocket re-entry as debris lands near Maldives

NASA has lambasted China for its failure to "meet responsible standards" after debris from its out-of-control rocket likely plunged into the Indian Ocean Saturday night.

"Spacefaring nations must minimize the risks to people and property on Earth of re-entries of space objects and maximize transparency regarding those operations," said NASA Administrator Sen. Bill Nelson in a statement released on the space agency's website Sunday.
"China is failing to meet responsible standards regarding their space debris," he added.
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The rocket, which is about 108 feet tall and weighs nearly 40,000 pounds, had launched a piece of a new Chinese space station into orbit on April 29. After its fuel was spent, the rocket had been left to hurtle through space uncontrolled until Earth's gravity dragged it back to the ground.

Generally, the international space community tries to avoid such scenarios. Most rockets used to lift satellites and other objects into space conduct more controlled reentries that aim for the ocean, or they're left in so-called "graveyard" orbits that keep them in space for decades or centuries. But the Long March rocket is designed in a way that "leaves these big stages in low orbit," said Jonathan McDowell, an astrophysicist at the Astrophysics Center at Harvard University.

In this case, it was impossible to be certain exactly when or where the booster would land.
The European Space Agency had predicted a "risk zone" that encompassed "any portion of Earth's surface between about 41.5N and 41.5S latitude" — which included virtually all of the Americas south of New York, all of Africa and Australia, parts of Asia south of Japan and Europe's Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece.
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"Norms have been established," McDowell said.
"There's no international law or rule — nothing specific — but the practice of countries around the world has been: 'Yeah, for the bigger rockets, let's not leave our trash in orbit in this way.'"

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According to the CCP propaganda machine, it's the US's fault for China's poor behavior in launching a rocket whose reentry they could not control.

China blames the US for hyping fears of uncontrolled rocket reentry as space race heats up

"Their hype and smears were in vain," the Global Times, a state-run newspaper, said in an editorial Sunday, accusing US scientists and NASA of "acting against their conscience" and being "anti-intellectual."

That's just precious, we're the anti-intellectual ones. Like to rub their collective noses in their own stupidity.

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59 minutes ago, fifelad55 said:

Incidentally, I seem to recall Skylab making an uncontrolled landing in the Australian Outback many years ago

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Yes, and it was a fck up on NASA's part to launch a vehicle with no forethought of controlling its return to Earth.

Due to public outcry, a mission was planned to use the space shuttle to push it into higher orbit, but funding shortfalls saw that plan fail. As a last ditched effort they fired Skylab's booster rockets to put it into a tumble in the hope of bringing it down in the Indian Ocean. They partially succeeded with that plan in that large pieces did fall harmlessly into the ocean, but unfortunately some fell in populated areas of western Australia.

Lesson learned, and fortunately no one was injured in the learning process. Subsequent rocket launches now provide for controlled re-entry to ocean landings.

From what we've seen, China still doesn't give a fck.

Read this article to remind me what happened on that day in 1979.
The Day Skylab Crashed to Earth: Facts About the First U.S. Space Station’s Re-Entry

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26 minutes ago, forcebwithu said:

Yes, and it was a fck up on NASA's part to launch a vehicle with no forethought of controlling its return to Earth.

Due to public outcry, a mission was planned to use the space shuttle to push it into higher orbit, but funding shortfalls saw that plan fail. As a last ditched effort they fired Skylab's booster rockets to put it into a tumble in the hope of bringing it down in the Indian Ocean. They partially succeeded with that plan in that large pieces did fall harmlessly into the ocean, but unfortunately some fell in populated areas of western Australia.

Lesson learned, and fortunately no one was injured in the learning process. Subsequent rocket launches now provide for controlled re-entry to ocean landings.

From what we've seen, China still doesn't give a fck.

Read this article to remind me what happened on that day in 1979.
The Day Skylab Crashed to Earth: Facts About the First U.S. Space Station’s Re-Entry

The interesting thing is, if it, the Chinese rocket, had stayed up for 15 minutes more it would have crossed the Western Australian coast over Perth and departed over Esperance (where Skylab dropped out of orbit). Now that would have been lightning striking the same place twice.

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A few of us long term visitors to Thailand will recall the 4 stages of "butterfry sum bitch" - a label applied to guys going from girl to girl:

Budderfry

Hericropter

Airport

Skylab

The last followed by the girl saying "you know what happen to skylab!" making a downward spiral with her index finger towards the ground.

 

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1 hour ago, Butch said:

A few of us long term visitors to Thailand will recall the 4 stages of "butterfry sum bitch" - a label applied to guys going from girl to girl:

Budderfry

Hericropter

Airport

Skylab

The last followed by the girl saying "you know what happen to skylab!" making a downward spiral with her index finger towards the ground.

 

I was known as Naa Ham🙄

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Deja vu all over again, or in raffer's alternative reality more "hype and American propaganda".

Debris from massive Chinese booster rocket could fall to Earth early next week

The remnants of the massive Chinese rocket that delivered a new module to its space station on Monday are expected to fall to Earth early next week, according to US Space Command, which is tracking the rocket's trajectory.

The 23-ton Long March 5B rocket which carried the Wentian laboratory module, took off from Hainan Island at 2:22 p.m. local time Sunday, July 24, and the module successfully docked with China's orbital outpost.

Its job completed, the rocket has gone into an uncontrolled descent toward Earth's atmosphere and it's not clear where it will land. The uncontrolled descent marks the third time that the country has been accused of not properly handling space debris from its rocket stage.
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8 hours ago, forcebwithu said:

Deja vu all over again, or in raffer's alternative reality more "hype and American propaganda".

Debris from massive Chinese booster rocket could fall to Earth early next week

The remnants of the massive Chinese rocket that delivered a new module to its space station on Monday are expected to fall to Earth early next week, according to US Space Command, which is tracking the rocket's trajectory.

The 23-ton Long March 5B rocket which carried the Wentian laboratory module, took off from Hainan Island at 2:22 p.m. local time Sunday, July 24, and the module successfully docked with China's orbital outpost.

Its job completed, the rocket has gone into an uncontrolled descent toward Earth's atmosphere and it's not clear where it will land. The uncontrolled descent marks the third time that the country has been accused of not properly handling space debris from its rocket stage.
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Looks to me it is time some other stuff "accidentally" crashed on Chinese soil, preferably near Beijing.

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