Glasseye Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Get ready fellas.... I think the damn is about to burst. https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/2187403/for-xi-and-evergrande-a-delicate-balancing-act For Xi and Evergrande, a delicate balancing act China's president fears social unrest if the property giant goes bankrupt, writes Andrew Galbraith PUBLISHED : 25 SEP 2021 AT 04:00 NEWSPAPER SECTION: NEWS WRITER: ANDREW GALBRAITH, REUTERS 6 17 The Chinese flag flutters in front of the Evergrande Center in Shanghai on Wednesday. (Reuters photo) The crisis at property giant China Evergrande Group poses a US$305 billion (10 trillion baht) conundrum for President Xi Jinping: how to impose financial discipline without fuelling social unrest. With one year before the Chinese president is poised to secure an unprecedented third five-year term, the stakes are high during what is proving to be the most consequential period of his tenure. Evergrande's borrow-to-build model was enabled by a government reliant on property sales for revenue and unwilling to bite the bullet on runaway indebtedness for fear a collapse in prices would have devastating consequences for a country in which property accounts for 40% of household wealth. ADVERTISEMENT Mr Xi, who has unleashed a spate of industry and societal reforms this year in the name of "common prosperity", has made clear that the excesses of decades of breakneck growth powered by a relentless rise in property prices and debt must be brought to heel. But shared responsibility for Evergrande's crisis -- and worries about the repercussions of a messy collapse -- complicate decisions on the fate of a conglomerate with $305 billion in debt that is scrambling to pay creditors, including bondholders owed $83 million in a coupon payment that was due on Thursday. "The government has to some degree caused the problems at Evergrande," said Andrew Collier, managing director at Orient Capital Research, citing debt ratio caps, known as the "three red lines", placed on developers in 2020 that put Evergrande under significant stress and forced it to start to sell assets. Those caps followed renewed official concern last year over property sector froth after monetary easing to cushion the impact of Covid-19 drove surging sales and signs of speculative overbuilding by developers. But clamping down on property prices is difficult given the fiscal dependence on the sector. Local governments, which Orient Capital estimates account for 89% of total government spending, derived more than 40% of revenues from land sales in 2020, driving a codependent relationship with developers. Ads by optAd360 "(Developers) seem to get caught up in the political economy ... which effectively leads to a tremendous number of bad decisions because you're now making investments based on political whim and political winds, rather than actual sound business sense," said Fraser Howie, author of several books about China's financial system. The roots of the crisis date to tax reforms in 1994, which bolstered central government coffers but left local governments reliant on land financing for revenue, said Alfred Wu, associate professor at Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy in Singapore. That triggered a rise in property prices and the growth of developers like Evergrande, which thrived in third- and fourth-tier cities. "Evergrande is a cash cow for regional governments. If the company goes bust, the model of land-financing and regional governments will go bust, too. The central government won't allow that," Assoc Prof Wu said. Despite years of warnings from some quarters about the business model used by Evergrande and others, which has included taking on heavy debt to spur land and project acquisitions, the company was hardly a rogue operator. Chairman and majority shareholder Hui Ka Yan took pains to show off his close alliance with Beijing and the ruling Communist Party, and was reciprocated. Included in a list of Mr Hui's achieve- ments in Evergrande's 2020 annual report are being named a "national model worker", an award-winning poverty fighter and an "Excellent Builder for the Socialist Cause with Chinese Characteristics". Stability-obsessed Beijing is well aware that the rise in the housing market created not only great wealth but deep inequality. One portfolio manager based outside China who declined to be identified said the 2019 anti-government protests in Hong Kong, blamed partly on inequality fuelled by sky-high housing costs, were a wake-up call for Beijing. This year, Mr Xi has set out to reform the "three huge mountains" of housing, education and healthcare to rein in soaring costs for city dwellers as a way to shore up legitimacy as the "people's leader", analysts said. Protests by disgruntled suppliers, home buyers and investors last week illustrated discontent that could spiral in the event a default sparks crises at other developers. UBS estimated there are 10 developers with potentially risky positions accounting for combined contract sales of 1.86 trillion yuan (9.6 trillion baht), nearly three times Evergrande's total. Still, many analysts say a wider crisis is unlikely, predicting that authorities would choose a route of squeezing the overall property sector while addressing individual problems as they arise. "The government knows that if it doesn't handle Evergrande carefully and lets it go bankrupt, disgruntled homeowners and shareholders could cause social instability, loan defaults could lead to financial risk, massive layoffs could add to employment woes, and private firms could be further spooked," said Tang Renwu, who heads the School of Public Administration at Beijing Normal University. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zeb Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 The economic threats from China’s real estate bubble The Chinese government is well aware that the great investment boom in property has gone far beyond reasonable limits. The economy needs different drivers of demand. Martin Wolf Columnist Oct 6, 2021 – 10.38am How serious a threat to the Chinese economy might the difficulties of Evergrande, the world’s most heavily indebted property company, and now Fantasia, become? The answer is not that China will experience a devastating financial crisis. It is rather that the economy’s dependence on demand from investment in real estate must end. That will impose a huge adjustment and create a big headache for the authorities: what can replace property investment in creating demand? Apartment blocks under construction in the Nanchuan area of Qinghai province. A paper by Kenneth Rogoff and Yuanchen Yang argues that China’s property sector contributed 29 per cent of GDP in 2016. Bloomberg From the macroeconomic point of view, the most important fact about the Chinese economy is its extraordinary savings. In 2010, gross national savings reached 50 per cent of gross domestic product. Since then, it has fallen a little. But it was still 44 per cent of GDP in 2019. While household savings are extremely high, averaging 38 per cent of disposable incomes between 2010 and 2019, they account for slightly less than half of all these savings. The rest consist mainly of corporate retained earnings. Investment plus net exports have to match savings when the economy is operating close to potential output, if it is not to fall into a slump. Since the global financial crisis, net exports have been a small share of GDP: the world would not accept any more. Total fixed investment duly averaged about 43 per cent of GDP from 2010 to 2019. Surprisingly, this was 5 percentage points higher than between 2000 and 2010. Meanwhile, growth fell significantly. This combination of higher investment with lower growth indicates a big fall in the returns on investment (shown directly in a rising “incremental capital output ratio”). Yet, there are even bigger problems than this suggests. One is that the high investment is associated with huge increases in debt, especially of households and the non-financial corporate sector: the former jumped from 26 per cent to 61 per cent of GDP between the first quarters of 2010 and 2021 and the latter from 118 per cent to 159 per cent. Another is that a substantial part of this investment has been wasted. Xi Jinping himself has spoken of the need to shift “to pursuing genuine rather than inflated GDP growth”. This has to be a big part of what he meant. This combination of high and unproductive investment with soaring debt is closely related to the size and rapid growth of the property sector. A 2020 paper by Kenneth Rogoff and Yuanchen Yang argues that China’s property sector contributed 29 per cent of GDP in 2016. Among high-income economies, only pre-2009 Spain matched this level. Moreover, almost 80 per cent of this impact came from investment, while about a third of China’s exceptionally high investment has been in property. A number of powerful indicators show that this investment is driven by unsustainable prices and excessive leverage, and is also creating huge excess capacity: the price-to-income ratios in Beijing, Shanghai and Shenzhen are far higher than in other big cities around the world; housing wealth accounted for 78 per cent of all Chinese assets in 2017, against 35 per cent in the US; household debt ratios are comparable with those in high-income countries; vacancy rates and other measures of excess capacity are high; and rates of home ownership had reached 93 per cent in 2017. Furthermore, family formation is slowing, China’s population is ageing and 60 per cent of it is already urbanised. All these signal that the property boom must end. Since the government controls the Chinese financial system, it can prevent a financial crisis. A large fall in house prices and a big negative impact on household wealth and spending are likely, but might be avoided. The likeliest threat is that investment in property will collapse. This would have a large negative effect on local government finances. But, above all, it would leave a huge hole in demand. Rogoff and Yang argue that “a 20 per cent fall in real estate activity could lead to a 5 per cent - 10 per cent fall in GDP, even without amplification from a banking crisis, or accounting for the importance of real estate as collateral.” It could be worse. Between 2012 and 2019, investment contributed 40 per cent of China’s growth in demand. If investment in property fell sharply, it would leave a huge shortfall. Yet tolerating this painful adjustment would ultimately be desirable. It should improve the welfare of the population: after all, building unneeded properties is a waste of resources. Slowing the recent pace of property investment would also be a natural consequence of the three red lines for property developers imposed by the state last year: hard limits on a company’s debt-to-asset ratio, its debt-to-equity ratio and its cash-to-short-term-debt ratio. The main policy now should be to shift spending towards consumption, and away from the most wasteful investment. This would require redistribution of income towards households, especially poorer households, as well as a rise in public consumption. Such a shift would also fit with the recent attack on the privileges of great wealth. It would also require big reforms, notably in taxation and the structure of public spending. In addition, investment should be shifted away from property toward the transition away from high carbon emissions. That too would require big policy changes. Crises are also opportunities. The Chinese government understands the great investment boom in property has gone far beyond reasonable limits. The economy needs different drivers of demand. Since the country is still relatively poor, a prolonged economic slowdown, such as Japan’s, is unnecessary, especially when one considers the room for improved quality of growth. But the model based on wasteful investment has reached its end. It must be replaced. Financial Times https://www.afr.com/world/asia/the-economic-threats-from-china-s-real-estate-bubble-20211006-p58xml 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Glasseye Posted December 4, 2021 Author Share Posted December 4, 2021 https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2021/12/04/china-an-economic-bomb-for-thai-prospsects/ China could be an economic time bomb sitting on Thailand’s doorstep as Evergrande collapse nears December 4, 2021 at 10:03 pm by Joseph O' Connor in Economy, Thailand As Thailand and the world battle the COVID-19 virus with Omicron knocking on the door, the bigger threat economically for us all may again be coming from China. The scale and nature of what is clearly a huge property and asset bubble in China could trigger an economic disaster in 2022 bigger than the 2008 Financial crisis. The scale of the property market bubble in China is unprecedented and dwarfs anything seen in western economies over the last century. There is also increasing evidence that the problem extends into the banking industry as well as fears over the nature of the Chinese economy which purports to have increased its wealth by 1,333% since 2000 but where economic data is openly questioned and doubted by many senior western economists. The prospects facing the world economy may not be simply a property bubble bursting but a whole economy that may have been built on unsound or possibly even artificial foundations. The implications for the world are immense, for Thailand even more so. The hectic battle to save Chinese property behemoth Evergrande from default and collapse continues in Hong Kong where maverick financier Pollyanna Chu has been drafted in to raise funds even as other firms have already defaulted in what appears to be a massive property bubble in China representing at least 70% of the wealth in the communist country. Chinese President Xi Jinping has reacted by galvanising public opinion at home with increasingly strident, nationalistic rhetoric promising a more equal redistribution of wealth by 2035. It comes as evidence increasingly shows a country in the midst of a liquidity crisis that started after the COVID-19 virus emergency in January 2020. This severely undermined China’s credibility in western financial markets leaving property firms and regional banks in trouble. The extent of the problem goes well beyond the $300 billion owed by Evergrande. It also extends to the banking sector in the country. According to McKinsey and Co, China increased its wealth from $9 trillion in 2000 to $120 trillion in 2020, over 33% more than the USA. On Tuesday, the Thai Minister of Finance attempted to rally confidence in what has been described as a fragile recovery of the economy in Quarter 4 as the country is still on course for a decidedly lacklustre 2021 with a projected growth rate of 1 to 1.2%, the latter figure quoted by the National Economic and Social Development Council (NESDC). Mr Arkhom Termpittayapaisith said an economic recovery with a predicted 4% growth rate in 2022 would be driven by government investment of ฿1 trillion and fiscal stimulus. He said this compared well with the country’s recovery from the Asian Financial crisis in 1997. Growing number of problems confront Thailand in 2022 not least the threat from a Chinese crisis However, the outlook for 2022 is anything but clear and there are a growing number of problems that have arisen including a new wave of border closures and restrictions being introduced in export markets as anxiety grows regarding the new Omicron variant of COVID-19. Even if the prognosis for the COVID-19 pandemic improves in the next few weeks with some signs that the new variant may be less stable and less of a clinical health danger, there are other potential storms on the horizon not least the future of the Chinese economy which is Thailand’s second-largest export market and just as importantly, very much interwoven with the country’s supply chains and Asian financial markets. Evergrande must find $7.4 billion in bond payments in the course of 2022 as other firms also default The growing threat posed by an imminent collapse of the China Evergrande property group could potentially trigger a worldwide economic crisis even larger than the banking crisis in 2008 and one that would hit Asia particularly hard. Evergrande, established in 1996, is China’s largest property development firm. It has seen its bonds tumble in value in recent weeks with both Fitch and S&P Ratings predicting it will default. The company reports assets of over $300 billion representing 2% of Chinese GDP. It made a last gasp payment of $148 million on its bonds in early November and is taking advantage of grace periods to avoid an official default to offshore creditors. However, a $255 million payment is due on December 28th with $7.4 billion in payments due in the course of 2022. Chinese property market is 30% of GDP In all, the Chinese real estate market is worth $5 trillion and makes up 30% of the country’s GDP. Evergrande has not been able to sell a bond since January 2020 as the Covid 19 crisis has severely undermined confidence in China’s economy. Many financial taps have been switched off. Other property firms have already defaulted such as Fantasia Holdings Group Co. in October this year which defaulted on a $205.7 million bond payment. Sinic Holdings Group Co. also in October, reneged on a $250 million note. It is becoming increasingly clear that China is in the midst of a liquidity crisis. Property bubble waiting to pop that may not just threaten property prices but the world’s economy This has contributed to already well-grounded fears that the Chinese economy may be sitting on a large property bubble that is just waiting to pop, sending shock waves around the world that will hit Thailand sooner and harder than the crisis of 2008. Figures released last week by international consulting giant McKinsey show that the world’s wealth grew by $156 trillion in the first twenty years of the new millennium from 2000 to 2020. The calculation of wealth is based on several things but specifically excludes financial assets as both financial credit and liabilities in the system ultimately cancel each other out. Based on the underlying figures, which rely increasingly on inflated property prices, the data appears to show that China has emerged as a wealthier country than the United States. Worldwide, there is already evidence that property developers are starting to feel the pinch accompanied by a more challenging financial environment with interest rates in the United States set to climb. This has led to a strengthening of the dollar against the Thai baht and other currencies in the last few weeks as investors again flee to a safe haven. 70% of China’s wealth is tied up with the property sector compared to only 35% for the US economy According to Loomis Sayles, a US global investment house, 70% of China’s wealth is currently wrapped up in the real estate market while the figure is only 35% for the US economy. This makes it clear why a property price collapse in China, where the property industry itself also represents a sizable 30% of the country’s GDP, will be cataclysmic and indeed may already have begun. Prices are already on a downward trend while the country faces a range of other challenges quite similar to Thailand which includes as well as the virus pandemic, a declining birth rate and rapidly ageing population. Wealth figures for countries around the world since 2000 explains the history of the last two decades In 2020, China, according to McKinsey, had accumulated $120 trillion in assets while the United States only recorded $90 trillion, a figure which itself had grown by 100% or $45 trillion since 2000. In 2000, China’s accumulated wealth stood at only $7 trillion. The signs are ominous and point to a property bubble in the economy of Thailand’s northern neighbour, an emerging superpower that is increasingly at odds with Western powers and also expanding its armed forces at an alarming rate. UK Foreign Secretary visits Bangkok after AUKUS security pact further raises tensions with China The Chinese army has more than 915,000 active service troops compared to the US armed forces stationed and committed worldwide, which can muster only 486,000 soldiers. Fears that a trapped China may be backed into a corner and is playing its last most dangerous card The fear is that the bellicose rhetoric coming from China is linked to events since January 2020 and the potential collapse of its economic deck of cards brought about by the Covid crisis after a trade war which the United States surprisingly seems to have won given the impact of the tariffs imposed. This year, China stunned the Pentagon when it successfully tested a hypersonic weapon that US intelligence believed was well beyond its assessed capability. This occurred in August and followed another test in July prompting US military chiefs to describe the event as a ‘Sputnik moment’ for the United States. China’s economic data has not made sense for a long time and its credibility was blown in January 2020 According to the McKinsey report, property accounts for 68% 0f the world’s wealth, which has never been higher or as Jan Mischke of the McKinsey Institute in Zurich puts it: ‘We are now wealthier than we have ever been.’ However, many analysts are beginning to grow wary and have begun to look afresh at the data from China. For a start, any and all economic data emerging from Beijing must be treated with caution. This is well known by many senior economists but consistently downplayed by the world’s leading media outlets. Not unlike the data concerning COVID-19 in the communist country from January 2020 which showed minuscule levels of infection and at times, frankly, incredulous conclusions. This is even before considering the coverup carried out by desperate Chinese officials when the virus made itself known in late 2019. Eyebrows were raised in 2009, for example, when China’s economy expanded by a reported 8.7% while the world’s economy fell back by 2.5%. Yet in the last two decades, markets have been swayed and influenced to a large extent by these figures emanating from China which are tightly controlled by the Communist Party in Beijing with evidence to show that local and regional bosses faced sanctions for underperforming figures and data. What happened in Wuhan in late 2019 is a clear example of how things can go wrong when taking Chinese data at face value and explains how the government in China works. Officials are incentivised not to report unpalatable facts or data no matter how serious and grave the situation may be. For decades, investors and analysts have treated Chinese data with caution although it could well be defined as a systemic hoax on a colossal scale This is not anything new and the investment community in western countries have long interpreted Chinese economic data relying on more granular data subsets to inform themselves on the reported second-largest economy in the world. A picture tells a thousand words and the sight of empty ghost cities and apartment towers throughout China despite its ever-growing media and internet censorship also shows us clearly what is going on. We already know that this is a bubble but the more disturbing question is that there is the possibility that this may be something even bigger with the exposure channelled through corporate firms. China’s corporate debt level at 160% of GDP is second only to Hong Kong at 232.2% and well ahead of both Japan at 99.9% and the United States at 73.6%. In the past, Moodys has downgraded China’s sovereign debt rating but currently assigns the country an A1 grade with a stable outlook as does S&P despite concerns raised by zombie firms and the debt levels of local government entities. Bubbles may burst but ultimately it is the reaction of the government and the character of those involved that determines the outcome in a financial crisis When a bubble collapses, financial balances ultimately depend on the ability to pay. It also depends on the willingness of governments to step in and prevent a more systemic collapse. We have already seen China Evergrande’s competitors default on loans while western bankers, as well as the media, have attempted to paper over the looming reality. This is the same denial we saw on western media channels in the weeks leading up to the 2008 Financial crisis triggered by the collapse of Lehman Brothers on September 15th that year. The McKinsey report shows that the growth in wealth from 2000 to 2020 has dramatically exceeded gains made in the world’s GDP during that period by 50%. The irregular situation in China can be seen in a country that, in recent years, has boasted thousands of billionaires well above the United States as well as no less than 700 cities, many of them ghost projects. Rising interest rates leave actors with even less room to carry on the charade that appears to be climaxing This has been driven by artificially low interest rates which are now being challenged by rising inflation concerns which in the short term have been linked to the COVID-19 crisis and supply chains adapting to the reopening of the world economy before Omicron arrived this week. The existence of low rates for so long has acted as an incubator for the Chinese property bubble as well as other practices within the country’s financial system. In recent days, former US Federal Reserve boss and now Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, said it was time to retire the phrase ‘transitory’ when discussing rising US inflation which hit a record of 16.2% in October. She attributed the rise to a consumer emphasis on goods and a shift away from services. She was speaking at a Reuters organised conference. At the same time, she said she believed inflationary pressures would ease if the pandemic subsided but then there was the new Omicron variant to factor in. ‘Now the new variant, the Omicron variant, the pandemic could be with us for quite some time and hopefully does not completely stifle economic activity, but affects our behaviour in ways that contribute to inflation,’ she explained. Power outages in China may be the strongest indicator that all is not right within its economy Some attribute the inflation surge to reduced factory output from China where authorities, in recent months and out of the blue, rationed power supplies causing huge blackouts leaving millions of homes without power. Guangdong in southern China, Heilongjiang, Jilin and Liaoning in the northeast were among the key manufacturing areas hit as well as other parts of the country. The power outages, linked to higher fuel costs in China, are said to have reduced factory output to levels last seen in February 2020 at the height of the COVID-19 virus emergency in the country. The long term effects of the pandemic on economic performance and inflation, however, may also be linked to changing societal attitudes worldwide including more local supply chains. It has also seen a more cautious attitude towards China from US investors since January 2020 when the extent of the Covid crisis unravelled confidence. This is believed to be the reason behind the growing liquidity crisis in the communist country which is also linked to the lack of resources to purchase fuel for its coal and oil-fired electricity supply plants when prices rocketed this year as the world economy reopened. Goldman Sachs in New York, in a brief to investors, estimated that the blackout impacted 44% of the Chinese economy in recent months and reduced its estimated growth for the country from 8.2% to 7.8%. Emerging crisis with underlying and long term factors such as an ageing population as in Thailand’s case This crisis is still developing in China and is being exacerbated by other long term problems facing what is called the world’s second-largest economy, at least on paper. As in Thailand, in China, there is also this demographic imbalance seen already in both developed and second tier developing economies which is increasingly weighing on economic performance and potential. Cabinet in pension move as the number of working Thais to over 60s is set to half in 20 years Thailand- the first large country with a fertility problem yet without wealth to easily fund healthcare for the old In September, new census data in China showed that 13.5% of the country’s 1.4 billion people were aged 65 years and over. This had risen from 8.87% a decade earlier. The country has a high level of inequality with a Gini coefficient of 0.46. This compares to a European Union average of 0.307 but is somewhat comparable to the United States at 0.43. Thailand’s latest Gini coefficient for inequality, although the number is rising, comes in at 0.364 although other measurements and modes of analysis show a more significant problem in the kingdom which is widely accepted as the case. Rising wealth linked with inflated property prices is a worldwide problem that has driven western politics The McKinsey report indicates that property prices have increased by 50% more than the long term average rise in income over the last twenty years. This is also the root cause of rising property costs including rent paid by labour and workers in developed economies which has led to the political upheavals we saw coming to the fore in 2016. In short, the world’s economy may be sitting on a property bubble particularly centred on China which may also, at the very least, extend into other areas of the Chinese economy. Thailand’s plans for growth in 2022 already impacted by a liquidity crisis and may be blown off course The current outlook is that Thailand will see stronger growth at the end of 2021 with a growing number of foreign tourist arrivals. The Tourism Authority of Thailand, on Monday, said the country could see 500,000 visitors this year while it is expected that the reopening process will continue into 2022. Kingdom may see up to 1 million tourists this year but it will be an uphill battle to get back to 2019 Thailand pushes ahead with foreign tourism drive, may defer switch to antigen testing over Omicron With Omicron hovering, firms already suffering a cash flow crunch with the economy again in peril Krungsri Research is predicting that the resurrection of the sector from outright closure will help put more Thai workers back in employment and is also predicting a 5% rise in wage levels in Thailand next year. It is predicted that exports will continue to grow and achieve a 5% growth rate for 2022. All this is predicated on a raised level of global investment and the world economy returning to normality. This is also coming with reports of Thai firms struggling against a local liquidity crisis with many firms not being able to finance their reopening to take advantage of the government’s efforts. A Chinese property and financial crisis which spreads to the international markets would blow such projections, based on a benign macroeconomic environment, completely off course. Real impact of the collapse of Evergrande which is thought to be imminent, is it another Lehman Brothers or even bigger? It is quite different The imminent collapse of the China Evergrande Group, which owes $300 billion, could lead to a market collapse in China and worldwide. Lehman Brothers had $619 billion in debts and $639 billion in financial assets when it sparked the 2008 Financial crisis. The subsequent liquidation, which was completed in 2019, saw all customers and secured creditors of the institution paid in full and unsecured creditors receiving 39.75 cents on the dollar. The final outcome of the collapse of the China Evergrande Group and possibly other Chinese firms is unlikely to be so benign. It means that the world economy could ultimately be left relying on the strength and credibility of Chinese institutions. Hardly a confidence booster. Bonds and assets of the group are currently reported to be trading in Hong Kong at an 89% discount on face value. Use by the Communist Party of its arbitrary power only undermines China’s economy as a sham Some commentators have even suggested that the Communist Party in China can use its arbitrary powers to arrest a collapse. This is already happening, is highly unlikely to succeed and is ultimately folly if the world is to preserve functioning and healthy markets. That this can even be achieved is a question that is still open. It must also be remembered that, in the 2008 Financial crisis which began in the United States, the then US Treasury Secretary, Henry Paulson, guided the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) through congress in October 2008 which saved other banking giants and helped the United States and the world economy avoid a far greater crisis by saving other troubled US financial institution such as AIG, the mammoth insurance concern. We have already seen and become accustomed to Communist Party authorities in Beijing intervening in the markets and in the affairs of large companies including the detention for some period of Ali Baba founder Jack Ma and reports of Evergrande boss Xu Jiayin being forced to sell personal assets in Hong Kong and elsewhere in an attempt to make a payment due by his firm. Evergrande not going down without a fight The latest news from Hong Kong is that Mr Xu has hired the services of Pollyanna Chu, a maverick Hong Kong financier who was once named as the former colony’s richest woman. Ms Chu is now busy packaging and selling components of the Evergrande empire to meet the forthcoming bond commitments. Estimates of the debt pile, in an entangled web of risky financing which the company built up, are also being raised now to a possible $400 billion. However, things are unravelling fast and Chinese authorities have just stepped in to take over the Evergrande football stadium, a 100,000 seater ground built to the highest FIFA standards and reported to be the biggest in the world. It is home to Guangzhou Evergrande Taobao FC. Markets may not be true, a cause for even greater concern and one that should have consequences Indeed, analysts continue to insist that this de facto power of Communist Party authorities to intervene in the commercial marketplace may be a factor in saving China’s economy from commercial forces that would be inevitable in western markets. However, this should be cause for even greater concern and suggests that these markets are ultimately not true and not likely to be trustworthy. This also has implications and consequences. The long arm of the Chinese state coercing and intimidating business leaders without accountability as irregularities become more visible The long arm of the Chinese state has been seen since 2020 not only in Ali Baba’s affairs with the abuse of Jack Ma but also extends to many other firms. In a milder case, the up and coming technology firm Tencent was recently ordered to delay the rollout of apps and to curb its expansion plans. In October, there was an investigation into the Chinese banking sector with reported concerns that local government officials and business tycoons had compromised regional banks. According to The Economist magazine, the institutions concerned had combined assets of $14 trillion, nearly 15% of the wealth of the United States in 2020. Notwithstanding this, there is no denying that China is a leading exporter of products and goods. However, significantly, the value of goods imported into the United States since 2019 initially dropped significantly because of tariffs imposed by the Trump administration in 2018 and 2019 which surprised many economists by their impact on the world’s second-largest economy. They have been broadly retained under Biden. Effect of US tariffs on China’s economy from 2018 has been to halt rapidly accelerating growth since 2000 In 2019, China exported $450.670 billion to the United States. In 2020, this had fallen to $434.749 billion and in the nine months to the 30th September 2021, it stood at $360.415 billion although the figures are rising again since 2020 but at a markedly slower pace. The peak was reached in 2018 when its total exports to America came in at $538.514 billion, a 59.4% increase since the year of the financial crash in 2008 and a huge 439% increase from the figures in 2000 when exports to the USA were only recorded at $100.02 billion. The huge growth in exports occurred after China joined the World Trade Organisation in 2001. Consumer confidence in China is low as the party attempts to rally the public with a political campaign The communist country’s consumers have not recovered from the COVID-19 crisis while export demand has been hit by the pandemic in western countries and now moves to sever supply chains with China. The response of Chinese authorities has fundamentally differed from western countries with Beijing ruling out the use of fiscal stimulus such as we have seen in western countries and even in Thailand where the government has borrowed up to 16% of GDP to provide some level of support to the less well off, workers and struggling firms. The communist regime in Beijing is portraying the current crisis in the property and banking sector as a battle between it and business tycoons in an effort to create ‘common prosperity’ which ironically resonates well with many workers and less well off people in western countries who have supported political movements to rein in globalism, essentially driven by China’s extraordinary growth as an exporter. In a landmark speech in recent weeks, Chinese President Xi Jinping talked about a vision of a new socio-economic order by 2035 which he termed as an ‘olive tree-shaped’ society. Commenting on the declared achievement of having eliminated entrenched rural poverty, he set a goal for ‘substantive progress’ on common prosperity by 2035. This is the old voice of the Communist Party and is also meant for consumption by western media and western audiences as much as for an increasingly nationalistic and roiled audience at home. How will this come about? Who will pay as evidence emerges that China’s command and control economy mixed with flunky capitalism and massaged data may be on the verge of collapse? Western analysts and commentators are listening and beginning to think the unthinkable about the Chinese economy and the trajectory since the start of 2020 In reality, this may well be a crisis caused by wider abuses within the financial system which are behind what looks increasingly like a property bubble but may also mean something more about disorder in the Chinese economy and its market sustainability. Already western analysts have perked up their ears and are thinking the unthinkable. Max Zenglein is the chief economist at the Mercator Institute for China Studies based in Berlin. He points to jargon being used by the Politburo Standing Committee of the Communist Party in Beijing which talks about a ‘dual circulation’ which means encouraging Chinese consumers to buy at home by shunning foreign-made products and goods. New homegrown, nationalistic economy being promoted in China as western relationships plummet This has led to a flourishing industry in traditional Chinese couture with the inexorable rise in nationalist fervour among the Chinese population in the last five years which is being openly encouraged by the government and is supported by a huge propaganda apparatus with tentacles spread far outside China. Similar terms have been used in Thailand recently by economic planners concerning the country’s Green Economy initiative while the kingdom’s government and before that, the junta, openly encouraged a rising sense of national identity including a fad in the country also for traditional couture. The regime in Beijing has also launched bizarre and disturbing campaigns against effeminate men, foreign consumer brands, K pop culture, video games and has also targeted firms promoting western culture and education over the last 12 months. Cold war between China and the West is now underway as China’s economic miracle is puncturing With a new cold war now descending on the Asia Pacific region and relations between western powers and China deteriorating, there is, however, some indication that China may be about to reverse course and begin to introduce fiscal stimulus measures in recent months. The Atlantic Council, a pro-American think tank based in Washington DC, is predicting that we are about to see a readjustment economically but that China’s prospects are dimming. The report was prepared using data and analysis provided by the New York-based Rhodium Group. It suggested that Beijing needs to preserve and encourage a strong private sector if its economy is to stay on track. It says that Chinese authorities should seek to assure international investors as to the way forward to preserve the sort of outlook that once was taken for granted. ‘Without a market-oriented shift, China will struggle to maintain a growth potential that exceeds 3% annually by the middle of this decade,’ the report stated. This, of course, excludes the prospect of an economic or financial crisis triggered by the problems now flashing red in the property and banking sector. In any event, this is not the course that China is on right now as the economic rhetoric has become increasingly political. Evergrande collapse could threaten the world’s financial system, a government response worldwide may be needed as the dominos fall Respected US economist Stephen S Roach, a senior fellow at Yale University’s Jackson Institute for Global Affairs and a senior lecturer at Yale School of Management, has recently warned that the latest actions by Chinese authorities are undermining its economic future. Mr Roach attacked its plans for redistribution and more regulation of its economy as a policy which ‘strikes at the heart of the market-based approach which he attributed to China’s perceived economic miracle since the 1980s. In the meantime, fears are mounting about China Evergrande. Last Sunday, one German analyst based in Switzerland, Dr Marco Metzler, speaking with the UK’s Daily Express newspaper warned that the company’s collapse could threaten the world’s financial system. He said the prospect was even more serious than that posed by the collapse of Lehman Brothers and the ensuing collapse of the market which led to strong government interventions in the United States and Europe in 2008 and 2009. While much has been made of the $1.1 trillion owed by the US to China in government bonds, it should be noted that Japan holds $1.277 trillion while even the United Kingdom and Ireland hold $452.9 million and $322.9 million respectively. China’s cash reserves stood at $3.21 trillion in October 2021. The bigger story is, however, the $27 trillion owed by corporate Chinese firms, much of it run-up in the last twenty years. This represents 160% of China’s annual GDP claims which is 30% based on property valuations. ‘This is the first domino of the collapse of the market. It will be even worse than the 2008 financial crash,’ Dr Metzler warns. ‘The market is bigger than what the US was.’ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krapow Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Of the UK media, The Express run a lot of Everngrande stores, some are quite scary actually. This is their latest from Friday ... https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/1531039/global-financial-crisis-china-evergrande-repayment-update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 The Chinese fortune cookie in the West is crumbling. . . . Didi's delisting could spell the end for Chinese stocks on Wall Street https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/03/investing/premarket-stocks-trading/index.html The era of big Chinese companies heading to the United States to raise money may have just come to an end. What's happening: China's Didi announced Friday that it will "immediately" start the process of delisting from the New York Stock Exchange and pivot to Hong Kong. Coming just months after the ride-hailing giant's Wall Street debut, the news sends a clear signal to investors as tensions between Washington and Beijing generate uncertainty... ... Didi's situation is set to spark a broader reassessment of Chinese companies that have listed shares abroad — including Alibaba, Pinduoduo, Baidu, JD.com, Nio (NIO) and Tencent Music (TME). Will they suffer the same fate? "Didi's repatriation looks likely to be the start of a trend, and the market should expect that others will follow," Silvers said. "Equity investors may not wait for the other shoe to drop." Pinduoduo (PDD) shares are down 4% in premarket trading, while Baidu (BIDU) is off more than 1%. Alibaba (BABA) shares listed in New York, which have already plunged 48% this year, are slightly lower. Didi's stock, which has fallen 44% below its IPO price, is down 3% premarket. Investors in such stocks have been on edge for months. The S&P/BNY Mellon China Select ADR Index, which tracks top US-listed Chinese firms, has plunged 40% this year. Two developments this week further underscore the fact that financial ties between the United States and China are fraying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 (edited) And...the tourism 'Golden Goose' is staying home for the time being... When the Biggest Spenders Aren’t Coming Back Any Time SoonEven before Omicron’s arrival, China was discouraging its citizens from traveling abroad. That has had a huge impact on global tourism. On Jeju Island in South Korea, the markets have gone dark. In Bangkok, bored hawkers wait around for customers who never come. In Bali, tour guides have been laid off. In Paris and Rome, the long lines of people with selfie sticks and sun hats are a distant memory. This was supposed to be the year travel came back. In Europe and Asia, many countries reopened their airports and welcomed tourists. But they are confronting a new reality: Variants such as Omicron are causing global panic, leading governments to shut borders again, and their biggest spenders — Chinese tourists — aren’t returning any time soon. As part of its effort to maintain a zero-Covid approach, China has announced that international flights would be kept at 2.2 percent of pre-Covid levels during the winter. Since August, it has almost entirely stopped issuing new passports, and it has imposed a 14-day quarantine for all arrivals. Returning to China also requires mountains of paperwork and multiple Covid-19 tests. Many people there have decided to just stay put. No country has been more crucial to global travel in the past decade than China. Chinese tourists spent roughly $260 billion in 2019, exceeding all other nationalities. Their prolonged absence would mean travel revenues are unlikely to return to prepandemic levels soon. Analysts say it could take up to two years before China fully reopens. Shopping malls have emptied out. Restaurants have shut down. Hotels are deserted. The downturn is particularly affecting North and Southeast Asia. China is the No. 1 source of tourism in Asia for several large cities, according to Nihat Ercan, the head of investment sales for the Asia Pacific at JLL Hotels & Hospitality, an adviser to the hospitality industry. ... Edited December 5, 2021 by lazarus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Streak Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Krapow said: Of the UK media, The Express run a lot of Everngrande stores, some are quite scary actually. This is their latest from Friday ... https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/1531039/global-financial-crisis-china-evergrande-repayment-update Loads of youtube videos about this....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Krapow Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 BBC reporting this now ... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59517822 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasseye Posted December 6, 2021 Author Share Posted December 6, 2021 53 minutes ago, Krapow said: BBC reporting this now ... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59517822 The long tumble down...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWA Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Looks like they missed this week's payment: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58579833 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeb Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 41 minutes ago, KWA said: Looks like they missed this week's payment: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58579833 The comrades from PBOC are saying - The markets will sort it out. ie haircuts all around...well for 'some' anyway. https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/china-evergrande-finally-defaults-now-what-20211210-p59gfy.html A congaline of other property developers behind Evergrande ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasseye Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/2230655/blinken-heads-to-se-asia-to-deepen-cooperation-on-china-pushback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasseye Posted December 26, 2021 Author Share Posted December 26, 2021 This is not just simple scare mongering. But, another indicator that the World can expect some uneasiness (to say the least) with the overall economy in the upcoming year and beyond. The extent and level of the consequences are still unforeseen, but I would not be going out on a limb to say that it probably won't be pretty.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasseye Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share Posted January 17, 2022 https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/16/business/economy/china-economy.html China’s Economy Is Slowing, a Worrying Sign for the World Economic output climbed 4 percent in the last quarter of 2021, slowing from the previous quarter. Growth has faltered as home buyers and consumers become cautious. A China Evergrande Group housing project under construction in Beijing last September. Real estate developers, including Evergrande, have run into severe financial difficulty in recent months.Credit...Carlos Garcia Rawlins/Reuters By Keith Bradsher Published Jan. 16, 2022Updated Jan. 17, 2022, 11:49 a.m. ET 阅读简体中文版閱讀繁體中文版 BEIJING — Construction and property sales have slumped. Small businesses have shut because of rising costs and weak sales. Debt-laden local governments are cutting the pay of civil servants. China’s economy slowed markedly in the final months of last year as government measures to limit real estate speculation hurt other sectors as well. Lockdowns and travel restrictions to contain the coronavirus also dented consumer spending. Stringent regulations on everything from internet businesses to after-school tutoring companies have set off a wave of layoffs. China’s National Bureau of Statistics said Monday that economic output from October through December was only 4 percent higher than during the same period a year earlier. That was a deceleration from the 4.9 percent growth in the third quarter, July through September. ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story The world’s demand for consumer electronics, furniture and other home comforts during the pandemic has produced record-setting exports for China, preventing its growth from stalling. Over all of last year, China’s economic output was 8.1 percent higher than in 2020, the government said. But much of the growth was in the first half of last year. Image A port in Qingdao, in China’s eastern Shandong Province, this month. China’s exports have remained strong.Credit...Chinatopix, via Associated Press The snapshot of China’s economy, the main locomotive of global growth in the last few years, adds to expectations that the broader world economic outlook is beginning to dim. Making matters worse, the Omicron variant of the coronavirus is now starting to spread in China, leading to more restrictions around the country and raising fears of renewed disruption of supply chains. SUPPLY CHAIN WOES Here’s how China’s coronavirus policy could disrupt the flow of goods. The slowing economy poses a dilemma for China’s leaders. The measures they have imposed to address income inequality and rein in companies are part of a long-term plan to protect the economy and national security. But officials are wary of causing short-term economic instability, particularly in a year of unusual political importance. Next month, Beijing hosts the Winter Olympics, which will focus an international spotlight on the country’s performance. In the fall, Xi Jinping, China’s leader, is expected to claim a third five-year term at a Communist Party congress. ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story Mr. Xi has sought to strike an optimistic note. “We have every confidence in the future of China’s economy,” he said in a speech on Monday to a virtual session of the World Economic Forum. Daily business updates The latest coverage of business, markets and the economy, sent by email each weekday. Get it sent to your inbox. But with growth in his country slowing, demand slackening and debt still at near-record levels, Mr. Xi could face some of the biggest economic challenges since Deng Xiaoping began lifting the country out of its Maoist straitjacket four decades ago. “I’m afraid that the operation and development of China’s economy in the next several years may be relatively difficult,” Li Daokui, a prominent economist and Chinese government adviser, said in a speech late last month. “Looking at the five years as a whole, it may be the most difficult period since our reform and opening up 40 years ago.” China also faces the problem of a rapidly aging population, which could create an even greater burden on China’s economy and its labor force. The National Bureau of Statistics said on Monday that China’s birthrate fell sharply last year and was now barely higher than the death rate. Private Sector Struggles As costs for many raw materials have risen and the pandemic has prompted some consumers to stay home, millions of private businesses have crumbled, most of them small and family-owned. That is a big concern because private companies are the backbone of the Chinese economy, accounting for three-fifths of output and four-fifths of urban employment. Kang Shiqing invested much of his savings nearly three years ago to open a women’s clothing store in Nanping, a river town in Fujian Province in the southeast. But when the pandemic hit a year later, the number of customers dropped drastically and never recovered. ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story As in many countries, there has been a broad shift in China toward online shopping, which can undercut stores by using less labor and operating from inexpensive warehouses. Mr. Kang was stuck paying high rent for his store despite the pandemic. He finally closed it in June. “We can hardly survive,” he said. Another persistent difficulty for small businesses in China is the high cost of borrowing, often at double-digit interest rates from private lenders. Chinese leaders are aware of the challenges private companies face. Premier Li Keqiang has promised further cuts in taxes and fees to help the country’s many struggling small businesses. On Monday, China’s central bank made a small move to reduce interest rates, which could help reduce slightly the interest costs of the country’s heavily indebted real estate developers. The central bank pushed down by about a tenth of a percentage point its interest rate benchmarks for one-week and one-year lending. Construction Stalls The building and fitting out of new homes has represented a quarter of China’s economy. Heavy lending and widespread speculation have helped the country erect the equivalent of 140 square feet of new housing for every urban resident in the past two decades. This autumn, the sector faltered. The government wants to limit speculation and deflate a bubble that had made new homes unaffordable for young families. China Evergrande Group is only the largest and most visible of a lengthening list of real estate developers in China that have run into severe financial difficulty lately. Kaisa Group, China Aoyuan Property Group and Fantasia are among other developers that have struggled to make payments as bond investors become more wary of lending money to China’s real estate sector. ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story Image An idle construction site for a China Evergrande residential project in Taiyuan, in China’s northern Shanxi Province.Credit...Gilles Sabrié for The New York Times As real estate companies try to conserve cash, they are starting fewer construction projects. And that has been a big problem for the economy. The price of steel reinforcing bars for the concrete in apartment towers, for example, dropped by a quarter in October and November before stabilizing at a much lower level in December. The Latest on China: Key Things to Know Card 1 of 4 A slowing economy. China’s economy slowed markedly in the final months of last year as government measures to limit real estate speculation hurt other sectors as well. The country’s latest figures add to expectations that the broader world economic outlook is beginning to dim. Global supply chain impact. China’s trade surplus reached its highest level ever as the pandemic generated demand for Chinese goods, but rising Covid rates in the country are leading to more restrictions and raising fears of renewed disruption of supply chains. The demographic crisis. The birthrate in China plummeted for a fifth straight year in 2021, moving the world’s most populous country closer to the moment when its population will begin to shrink, threatening the nation’s economic and political stability. Olympics uncertainty. Chinese officials are racing to stamp out a series of Covid outbreaks weeks ahead of the Winter Olympics. Beijing’s first Omicron case prompted a lockdown and mass testing in one neighborhood, while the public has been barred from buying tickets to the Games. The decline in home prices in smaller cities has hurt the value of people’s assets, which in turn made them less willing to spend. Even in Shanghai and Beijing, apartment prices are no longer surging. There have been faint hints of renewed government support for the real estate sector in recent weeks, but no sign of a return to lavish lending by state-controlled banks. The financial distress of Evergrande “is a signal that money will be pushed from real estate to the stock market,” said Hu Jinghui, an economist who is a former chairman of the China Alliance of Real Estate Agencies, a national trade group. “The policies can be loosened, but there can be no return to the past.” Local Governments Feel the Pinch The slowdown in the housing market has also hurt local governments, which rely on land sales as a key source of revenue. The International Monetary Fund estimates that government land sales each year have been raising money equal to 7 percent of the country’s annual economic output. But in recent months, developers have curtailed land purchases. ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story Starved of revenue, some local governments have halted hiring and cut bonuses and benefits for civil servants, prompting widespread complaints on social media. In Hangzhou, the capital of Zhejiang Province, a civil servant’s complaint of a 25 percent cut in her pay spread quickly on the internet. The municipal government did not respond to a fax requesting comment. In northern Heilongjiang Province, the city of Hegang announced that it would not hire any more “low-level” workers. City officials deleted the announcement from the government’s website after it drew public attention. Some governments have also raised fees on businesses to try to make up for the shortfall. Bazhou, a city in Hebei Province, collected 11 times as much money in fines on small businesses from October through December as it did in the first nine months of last year. Beijing criticized the city for undermining a national effort to reduce the cost of doing business. Pockets of Strength in Exports Strong overseas demand for China’s exports, particularly consumer goods, spurred a national wave of new factory investments, up 13.5 percent last year from 2020. Some areas of consumer spending have been fairly robust, notably the luxury sector, with sports cars and jewelry selling well. Retail sales rebounded 12.5 percent last year compared with pandemic-depressed levels in 2020. But retail sales fell in December fell from November, as coronavirus restrictions kept some shoppers at home. Image Cars and trucks parked for export this month at the port in Yantai, in Shandong Province.Credit...Chinatopix, via Associated Press Few anticipate that the government will allow a severe economic downturn this year, ahead of the Communist Party congress. Economists expect the government to soften its restrictions on lending and step up government spending. ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story “The first half of the year will be challenging,” said Zhu Ning, deputy dean of the Shanghai Advanced Institute of Finance. “But then the second half will see a rebound.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Where was Chicken Little..? China’s economy beats expectations with 4 percent growth in Q4Chinese economy expands 8.1 percent for the whole of 2021 amid weakest Q4 growth in more than a year. https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/1/17/chinas-economy-beats-expectations-with-4-percent-growth-in-q4?fbclid=IwAR2QZbJJRDD6jSqOSt_7tnLd1aeg9fEw9Gr8YJURGRUTnIaM7TohwbD97G4&sf158595755=1 ... “The Evergrande debt default had a chilling effect on construction and property development, and likely indicates balance sheet issues at other property firms,” said Tommy Wu, lead China economist for Oxford Economics in Hong Kong. “Real estate investment accounts for the largest fraction of GDP, and slowdown in construction has an outsized effect on overall growth. We expect the property downturn to extend into the first half of this year before real estate activity recovers somewhat in the second half.” Shehzad Qazi, managing director of Beijing Beige Book International, told Al Jazeera he did not foresee a major shift in the direction of economic policy this year despite some policy easing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasseye Posted January 18, 2022 Author Share Posted January 18, 2022 I lost a good bit of coin back in 2008, following the Lehman Brothers debacle. The rating agencies had all of the stocks I was holding at the time as top notch (or whatever friggen rating they wanted to give it). Millions of people were duped, trillions lost. Can't believe anyone.... I'll be damned if I'd believe some Chinese "economist". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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