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There are a few of us who retain property in Thailand, even though we don't live there full-time. I was warned a few years ago, when I was entering visa-exempt, to get a visa next time, as exemption applied to tourists, and I wasn't a tourist. 

If that hasn't changed, I will need to renew my "retirement extension", even though I don't stay 60 days. 

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3 hours ago, Bazle said:

There are a few of us who retain property in Thailand, even though we don't live there full-time. I was warned a few years ago, when I was entering visa-exempt, to get a visa next time, as exemption applied to tourists, and I wasn't a tourist. 

If that hasn't changed, I will need to renew my "retirement extension", even though I don't stay 60 days. 

I don't think that has anything to do with retaining property.

They have spells where they clamp down on people entering on the exempt stamp. 

You are only allowed to enter the Kingdom so many times per year. That said it very much depends on the IO at the time of entry.

 

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On 5/28/2024 at 4:24 PM, boydeste said:

Certainly is, especially if you can then extend another 60 or 30 too.

From the new updated wording on the uk gov site...

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 ... I'm wondering if the new 60 day visa exempt arrival stamp is to avoid the hassle of having to get an extension,  but that the new 60 day stamp WON'T be extendable...

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/thailand/entry-requirements

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2 hours ago, Painter said:

From the new updated wording on the uk gov site...

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 ... I'm wondering if the new 60 day visa exempt arrival stamp is to avoid the hassle of having to get an extension,  but that the new 60 day stamp WON'T be extendable...

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/thailand/entry-requirements

I will be surprised if you can't extend it because it gives them more revenue. 

BUT. TIT.

Even so, it makes my life a little easier if it's for ever so to speak.

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1 minute ago, boydeste said:

I will be surprised if you can't extend it because it gives them more revenue. 

BUT. TIT.

Even so, it makes my life a little easier if it's for ever so to speak.

How much is a 90 day visa pre trip (does one exist, I'm out of touch?) v presumably 1900b for an extension? As always, it'll be announced in the gazette sometime...!

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2 minutes ago, Painter said:

How much is a 90 day visa pre trip (does one exist, I'm out of touch?) v presumably 1900b for an extension? As always, it'll be announced in the gazette sometime...!

I think you can still get one if you meet the requirements similar to what you did before, but single entry.

Price wise it was in the region of 100 quid, maybe more.

A 60 day TV is 30 quid.

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4 hours ago, Painter said:

From the new updated wording on the uk gov site...

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 ... I'm wondering if the new 60 day visa exempt arrival stamp is to avoid the hassle of having to get an extension,  but that the new 60 day stamp WON'T be extendable...

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/thailand/entry-requirements

Thai Embassy London website doesn't have any new information. 

Thai E-Visa Official website still states 30 days max for exempt entry.

Seems like UK Gov website is jumping the gun. 

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11 hours ago, bob lt said:

Thai Embassy London website doesn't have any new information. 

Thai E-Visa Official website still states 30 days max for exempt entry.

Seems like UK Gov website is jumping the gun. 

I think, until the new rules are advised in the Royal Thai Gazette (or whatever it's called), there will be no update of Embassy websites etc.

The heads up looks promising and 60 days entry is wonderful but would like to see the wording on a Thai embassy site.

I presume (despite what is said) that a 60 day visa free entry would be extendable, isn't a 30 day visa free extendable?

Of course getting a 60 day tourist visa costs money so anybody staying up to 60 days can now get that entry for free, the Thais losing money is un heard of but I suppose they believe that the extension for many other countries, including UK will bring new revenue in, exceeding that of what they would lose on the £30 cost of a visa.

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People coming on say the 30 day on arrival, then extending it, or now 60, and extending it if allowed.

What do you do about airline tickets? If it was 30 on arrival, and you had planned to extend, do you just book for the 60 days flight, and if questioned say that as you have no visa, and that's okay with the airline?

I assume you don't change the flight from 30 to 60 in Thailand, as it would be expensive?

Or am i  being thick, which wouldn't be the first time, let's be honest ...

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16 minutes ago, richy65 said:

This should make things easier when arriving on visa exempt to convert to a retirement visa if you now get 60 days?

Not sure about that. Aren't you meant have a 90 day Non O visa to then convert to a Retirement Visa.

Not sure 30 days or 60 days visa free makes a difference.

If you are saying you only need to do 30 days before applying for a Retirement Visa (total 90 days on country) then that is only OK if you know a visa agent that will give you a Retirement Visa without having a Non O first.

It's a while since I had a Retirement Visa but I needed a Non O visa issued first (usually issued outside Thailand).

I once completely forgot to get a reentry stamp for my Retirement Visa and on arrival was stamped 30 days. I had to then go get a new 90 day Non O visa before being given a new Retirement Visa. I did do this through an agent but of course things may have changed.

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12 minutes ago, Horizondave said:

Not sure about that. Aren't you meant have a 90 day Non O visa to then convert to a Retirement Visa.

Not sure 30 days or 60 days visa free makes a difference.

If you are saying you only need to do 30 days before applying for a Retirement Visa (total 90 days on country) then that is only OK if you know a visa agent that will give you a Retirement Visa without having a Non O first.

It's a while since I had a Retirement Visa but I needed a Non O visa issued first (usually issued outside Thailand).

I once completely forgot to get a reentry stamp for my Retirement Visa and on arrival was stamped 30 days. I had to then go get a new 90 day Non O visa before being given a new Retirement Visa. I did do this through an agent but of course things may have changed.

Yes, you have to get a non o first but afaik this has to be applied for very quickly if arriving on a 30 day stamp so 60 days gives a lot more time to arrange things

It’s what I plan to do eventually but I’ll definitely get an agent to help with everything.

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2 minutes ago, richy65 said:

Yes, you have to get a non o first but afaik this has to be applied for very quickly if arriving on a 30 day stamp so 60 days gives a lot more time to arrange things

It’s what I plan to do eventually but I’ll definitely get an agent to help with everything.

I am with you now, thanks for clarification. Cheers

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29 minutes ago, richy65 said:

Yes, you have to get a non o first but afaik this has to be applied for very quickly if arriving on a 30 day stamp so 60 days gives a lot more time to arrange things

It’s what I plan to do eventually but I’ll definitely get an agent to help with everything.

Yes. At the moment agents ask for 20 working days to sort out the change from a 30 day stamp to a non O and then get a visa extension. 60 days on initial arrival should make this a more leisurely activity!

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10 hours ago, Horizondave said:

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Of course getting a 60 day tourist visa costs money so anybody staying up to 60 days can now get that entry for free, the Thais losing money is un heard of but I suppose they believe that the extension for many other countries, including UK will bring new revenue in, exceeding that of what they would lose on the £30 cost of a visa.

Another possible explanation is that those 60 day tourist visa are getting popular and the costs of processing them is more than the tourists pay for them.

I know it is unlikely as it would require Thai to apply common sense, but I can't rule it out.

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6 hours ago, Krapow said:

People coming on say the 30 day on arrival, then extending it, or now 60, and extending it if allowed.

What do you do about airline tickets? If it was 30 on arrival, and you had planned to extend, do you just book for the 60 days flight, and if questioned say that as you have no visa, and that's okay with the airline?

I assume you don't change the flight from 30 to 60 in Thailand, as it would be expensive?

Or am i  being thick, which wouldn't be the first time, let's be honest ...

It isn't normally mentioned. I book a return flight for 90 days in the Kingdom, but only have a 60 day TV or sometimes not even that if a side trip to Cambodia or the Philippines is planned. 

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9 minutes ago, boydeste said:

It isn't normally mentioned. I book a return flight for 90 days in the Kingdom, but only have a 60 day TV or sometimes not even that if a side trip to Cambodia or the Philippines is planned. 

On my last trip , I was asked at check in if I had proof of an onward flight, because my return ticket was longer than 30 days ..... it's the first time I've been asked , but have heard it happen to others ... it's worth booking either a cheap throwaway ticket .. or a full priced one that you can cancel without cost if you are unsure of your plans  .. that said the "proof" that I showed them was from my itinerary app and not the actual ticket ( you can manually add stuff to the app ) 

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Had a friend arrive at about 8:00 a.m. this morning sent me a message telling me they had stamped him in for only 30 days. Seems somebody hasn't gotten the memo or it's not official yet. I told him to go down to immigration Monday morning show them the date he was stamped in maybe they'll change it to 60 days I highly doubt it but it doesn't cost anything to try. I did ask him why he didn't inquire with the immigration officer but he was unaware that they had even changed it as they did it while he was out of the country.

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Seems it has to go through the legal procedures and will be another few weeks yet.  Not sure if it was the press or government who first said June 1st for implementation, but this infographic seems clear it'll take time.

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On 5/30/2024 at 4:47 PM, Painter said:

From the new updated wording on the uk gov site...

Screenshot_20240530_164000_Chrome.jpg

 ... I'm wondering if the new 60 day visa exempt arrival stamp is to avoid the hassle of having to get an extension,  but that the new 60 day stamp WON'T be extendable...

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/thailand/entry-requirements

Uk govt website has backtracked to 30 days...

 

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