Butch Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 https://www.pattayamail.com/news/pattaya-bar-guard-claims-canadian-fell-after-being-pushed-not-assaulted-467991 and the earlier report https://www.pattayamail.com/news/brutal-assault-on-canadian-raises-serious-questions-about-tourist-safety-in-pattaya-467900 Yet again, excessive booze played a big part in this. No one who's sober would try to break into a car, in daylight, on a street full of people especially in Thailand. seems a case of pushing (supported by the CCTV) rather than an outright assault as earlier claimed. Either way, it is going to be bad PR for Soi 6, regardless who was at fault. In this case I sympathise with the Thai guy who was vilified before the evidence was actually presented. However, the "bouncer / Security" guy should know how to deal with a drunk, and violence against drunk people often ends in the drunk person worse off if the other is sober. I have been to Soi 6 a couple of times on my last trip and enjoyed it. cheap beer, nice girls and a party atmosphere is great for an afternoon buzz, but there is definitely a dark underbelly to the place. I apologise if I appear to be surmising anything in the above , if I'm wrong I'll happily stand corrected. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Dangleberries Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 I think that you are right about it being a push by the bouncer and the victim falling over backwards but I am less confident in the background story of him trying to break into a car. What speaks louder than what is written in the articles in the Pattaya Mail, is what is not written in TPN ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakik2024 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 Bad PR? For under 10 minutes and then another 10 flights arrive before 9pm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Dangleberries Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 13 minutes ago, sakik2024 said: Bad PR? For under 10 minutes and then another 10 flights arrive before 9pm. Yep and the Punters could quite possibly head off in the opposite direction to Soi 6 .. Plenty alternatives with cheaper beer, prettier girls and less fights ... So yeh Bad PR. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butch Posted August 11 Author Share Posted August 11 1 hour ago, sakik2024 said: Bad PR? For under 10 minutes and then another 10 flights arrive before 9pm. I read that as "another 10 fights" lol. you're spot on with that, but as @Derek Dangleberries said, there are other alternatives and the fact this wasn't reported by Adam Judd in The Pattaya News raises a question as to why. Soi 6 appeals to the younger crowd anyway, which brings its own set of issues as seen earlier the other month. It has changed from a daytime "behind closed doors" naughty spot to a party street, which is fine as there are plenty of alternative places to go if naughty stuff behind closed doors is what you wish. It might start to deter the older visitors who don't want loud music and open fronted bars coupled with a thump in the melon when things start to get spicy. It is a damn good street though, and arguably still good for afternoon partying. however , saying that, fights are 99.9% of the time all down to excessive boozing. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forqalso Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 2 hours ago, Derek Dangleberries said: I think that you are right about it being a push by the bouncer and the victim falling over backwards but I am less confident in the background story of him trying to break into a car. What speaks louder than what is written in the articles in the Pattaya Mail, is what is not written in TPN ... I’m with you. If they had said he was so drunk that he was trying to get into the wrong car, I’d believe them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richy65 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 The first report states that witnesses said that he leant against a car then it changes to he was trying to break in to it so who knows? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasseye Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Soi 6 is becoming almost a "no go zone". They don't seem to be getting a handle on things. When you have back to back to back incidents there then the heat comes down hard and everyone is on edge. Simply for that reason it becomes a place that is not enjoyable to relax and let your hair down. Another big kick in the nads of Soi 6. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Penevil Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 The CCTV video from a nearby bar is unclear, but it does show that the original reports of the Canadian brutally assaulted for leaning on a car, alternately trying to break into a car, are both false. The video appears to show the Canadian peering into the car and attempting to open the car door, but not by breaking in. He had a lengthy verbal exchange with the bouncer who pushed him away at least four times before the push that sent him to the ground. That push did not appear to be very forceful. On the basis of what we know now, it's impossible to say what really happened. The crucial question is: who's car was it? If the Canadian had a valid reason for trying to open the car door, then the bouncer made a terrible mistake and should be punished to the full extent of Thai law. But if the Canadian was messing with a stranger's car because he was drunk and ignored the bouncer's warnings to move on, then the bouncer is less culpable. What I can't understand is why any farang, drunk or sober, would ignore a Thai bouncer's orders to move on. If something like that happened to me and I thought I was in the right, I would indeed move on but seek help from a Thai to explain things to the bouncer. Attempting to push a bouncer is insane. VID-20240806-WA0000(1).mp4.ea97a4e0fa559daa17c144387661b26c (1).mp4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 I have always thought that those individuals predisposed to violence usually manage to find it ............... eventually! I hope I will not discover on my return in October that in my absence Pattaya has become a somewhat dangerous place because that was never the case in the 15 years I was an expat. Soi 6 was never a regular haunt for me although I had my moments. I much prefer a tour of the more "intimate" clubs, bars and air conditioned GoGo's. It's probably an age thing. 😉 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasseye Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 8 minutes ago, Jambo said: I have always thought that those individuals predisposed to violence usually manage to find it ............... eventually! I hope I will not discover on my return in October that in my absence Pattaya has become a somewhat dangerous place because that was never the case in the 15 years I was an expat. Soi 6 was never a regular haunt for me although I had my moments. I much prefer a tour of the more "intimate" clubs, bars and air conditioned GoGo's. It's probably an age thing. 😉 I prefer a bar where I don't feel as if I need to bring along a bag of cattle fed for my L..D.'s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boydeste Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 (edited) 14 hours ago, Glasseye said: Soi 6 is becoming almost a "no go zone". They don't seem to be getting a handle on things. When you have back to back to back incidents there then the heat comes down hard and everyone is on edge. Simply for that reason it becomes a place that is not enjoyable to relax and let your hair down. Another big kick in the nads of Soi 6. Absolutely nothing any different in soi 6 to any other area of Pattaya or the World where you have pissed up people causing problems. In most cases it's the drunk guy that initiates the problem or takes no notice of security who are basically doing their job. Yes, we all know things can get escalated very quickly when Thai security are involved and the previous incident where the guy kicked the man on the ground in the head was inexcusable, but it started with the drunk guy whacking the security guard first, after they asked him to leave the bar. Take this guy for instance, unless that was his car, or his mates who is taking him home, he should be heeding the security guard who is trying to move him away from it. Two gentle pushes to move him away, then what does he do? He pushes back. That changes the dynamic totally which instigates a harder push which unfortunately causes the guy to bang his head. The guy walks away after being asked and there is no longer a problem. 99% of the time that final push would result in the guy dragging himself up and getting the message, thus leaving, then there is no problem again. Edited August 12 by boydeste 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Soi 6 - The sump at the bottom of Thailand's favorite beachside cesspool. . . . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richy65 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 I’m amazed that he’s 65 years old and getting involved in this kind of madness but no doubt too much booze played a part 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasseye Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 7 hours ago, boydeste said: Absolutely nothing any different in soi 6 to any other area of Pattaya or the World where you have pissed up people causing problems. In most cases it's the drunk guy that initiates the problem or takes no notice of security who are basically doing their job. Yes, we all know things can get escalated very quickly when Thai security are involved and the previous incident where the guy kicked the man on the ground in the head was inexcusable, but it started with the drunk guy whacking the security guard first, after they asked him to leave the bar. Take this guy for instance, unless that was his car, or his mates who is taking him home, he should be heeding the security guard who is trying to move him away from it. Two gentle pushes to move him away, then what does he do? He pushes back. That changes the dynamic totally which instigates a harder push which unfortunately causes the guy to bang his head. The guy walks away after being asked and there is no longer a problem. 99% of the time that final push would result in the guy dragging himself up and getting the message, thus leaving, then there is no problem again. I agree with you for the most part. But cops and well trained security are trained to use the minimal amount of force necessary, and are trained to deescalate situations (shoving is not deescalating). Sure if you are attacked in anyway game on, until the action is controlled. -------- It is true such things can happen anywhere there is drinking involved, but those selling the booze are still responsible (relatively) for peoples safety (that includes cutting people off when they are drinking too much, removing disorderly people, etc.) if not they can be liable for damages. When a place (or in this case a particular area) has too many incidents close together it often comes down to official interaction whether or not the actions were "justified" or not (the political realities). Other businesses in the area have these demands and expectations. Over a period of time too many incidents of this sort can really affect the negative inflow of revenue (which is what is is all about). Sometimes things get out of balance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boydeste Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 10 hours ago, Glasseye said: Over a period of time too many incidents of this sort can really affect the negative inflow of revenue (which is what is is all about). Sometimes things get out of balance. That is true, but there are literally 100s, if not 1000s of very happy people, partying, enjoying soi 6 every night with no problems at all. My reply was with respect to this comment below which is way off the mark to reality mate. ''Soi 6 is becoming almost a "no go zone'' 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1000 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 But cops and well trained security are trained to use the minimal amount of force necessary, and are trained to deescalate situations (shoving is not deescalating). Sure if you are attacked in anyway game on, until the action is controlled. Problem arises when the guy causing issues starts to become more belligerent, and the fragile Thai temperament breaks.. There does seem to be a distinct lack of restaint once that line is crossed. Your then in dangerous territory. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasseye Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 1 hour ago, boydeste said: That is true, but there are literally 100s, if not 1000s of very happy people, partying, enjoying soi 6 every night with no problems at all. My reply was with respect to this comment below which is way off the mark to reality mate. ''Soi 6 is becoming almost a "no go zone'' I understand. Perhaps a bit "over dramatic". 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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