Popular Post Butch Posted August 20 Popular Post Share Posted August 20 Here's a quote I made in reply to a post earlier guys fee free to agree / disagree with my sentiments: Butch said: "I'd be more concerned with paying 800 THB to a freelancer out of Las Vegas - the very fact she's asking for a barfine excludes her from being a freelancer in the true sense of the word. That said, if the ST/ LT prices reflect that of a freelancer then 800 baht is the going rate for a beer bar anyway. In the above case, I'd say (personal opinion only) that it's acceptable to arrange for a meeting later on outside of the bar. A bar with employees masquerading as Freelancers isn't being entirely truthful, because they're effectively indemnifying themselves if things go wrong - whereas is a number of decent bars who employ girls , you can speak with the manager and get things put right, either by way of a returned Barfine or whatever." Now apart from this edging into the old "barfine costs" grey area, which we've all discussed at length elsewhere, I'd like to ask that with more beer bar complexes springing up, if this is possibly a kind of business model we're going to see in the future. For example, take Billabong on LK Metro. They do charge a barfine, but the girls are kind of "freelancers" - although they all carry an ID on a lanyard and all get (or used to get) LD kickbacks, a locker for their gear and a small kickback from the BF. They're not under any compunction to turn up for work every night, nor are they directly employed or salaried by the bar, however ,in case of any issues its possible to talk with the manager and get stuff cleared up. If I choose to take a girl from there during working hours, then I pay the BF, but only once, whether she stays a week or a day. In my eyes, that's more of a flexible working arrangement than a freelancer arrangement. I'm not sure if this is the same set up in the Complexes, but being charged to take a girl who has no connection with the bar other than occupying a stool for a few hours a night, it seems a bit wrong. My definition of a freelancer is a girl from a disco / Beach road with no affiliation to any bar and not receiving any salary from a bar, so no barfine, and prices for p4p being a percentage less than a bar. 2 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpuynarak Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 Sharp business practice imo but we all know that when we've had a few spliffs/drinks or both anything goes, well it does for me lol. I think they work on the basis that 800bht is peanuts when the gal is very desirable to you. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveBC Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 (edited) The cost of the bar fine is just the initial shock, it's when you ask your chosen lady what she wants for long/short time when the real impact is felt !!!! About 1 month ago i was walking through Myth with an English mate on his first visit to Pattaya, we stopped in a bar about 2 units up from toilet block and on the opposite side. The lady that caught his eye said we were the first customers of the evening, it was about 8:30pm. We both ordered a Singha, they were 110bt each. My friend also bought a lady drink, a SML which was 210bt. He then asked what the prices were for her, the bar fine was 1,200bt and she wanted 3,000bt for 2 hours or 6,000bt for all night. We quickly drunk the warmish Singhas and moved on..... This was just in one of the open beer bars in Myth, i estimate that there were no more than fifty customers in the entire complex, some of which may well of been the Falang owners / managers. We then called into quite a few bars in the Baukhow area where the prices varied somewhat but were FAR more reasonable than in the Myth bar. Edited August 21 by SteveBC 1 1 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWA Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 The barfineable girls who weren't employed by the bar used to be called sideline girls IME, and freelancers were as you say. I haven't heard the sideline term for a while so it seems like it's one name for them all despite the differences in MO. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 (edited) 26 minutes ago, KWA said: The barfineable girls who weren't employed by the bar used to be called sideline girls IME, and freelancers were as you say. I haven't heard the sideline term for a while so it seems like it's one name for them all despite the differences in MO. I still hear occasionally the word "sideline" used. I also remember a Thai word for the same. In looking up the word I came across this article. Side Line girls and agents in Chiang Mai A lot of mystery and speculation exists around the topic of "Side line girls" (dek sideline or เด็กไซด์ไลน์). Most foreigners have never heard of the word, others doubt their existence. Are there any in Thailand? In Chiang Mai? Well, yes! WHAT IS A SIDELINE GIRL AND HOW IS SHE DIFFERENT FROM OTHER GIRLS? What is a sideline girl? The term sideline girl (or dek sideline) is mainly used by Thai guys to refers to a girl who earns some money on the side. This suggests that she's got another, main activity, which usually is study. So, the prototype sideline girl is a university girl who is busy with her study but needs some money on the side. Mind you, not all girls who advertise themselves as sideline girls are real students, some are plain professionals, freelancers or what you want to call it. But a fair amount of sideline girls you can find as an Insider are real students. This sketches the main difference between Thai sideline girls and other girls you can get for paid sex. A full-time prostitute working in a soapy massage parlour is not sideline girl, a bargirl in Loikroh is not a sideline girl, and a freelancer you can find in Spicy or Zoe is also not a sideline girl, although some freelancers would like to advertise themselves as a sideline girl. The perfect Thai sideline girl is a (shy) student girl who wants to finish her study and doesn't 'lower' herself to work in a bar or brothel, while she doesn't have the time or interest to work in a massage shop. It could also be a more spoiled university girl who doesn't want to loose face working in the sex or massage industry, but craves the latest iPhone. ... ^^^ What's interesting to note is Google Translate of the Thai word for dek sideline (เด็กไซด์ไลน์) is "sideline children", which caused a WTF moment when I saw the translation. But with the explanation given in the last paragraph above I'm guessing a better translation would be young adult rather than children. Edited August 21 by forcebwithu 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpuynarak Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 29 minutes ago, SteveBC said: The cost of the bar fine is just the initial shock, it's when you ask your chosen lady what she wants for long/short time when the real impact is felt !!!! About 1 month ago i was walking through Myth with an English mate on his first visit to Pattaya, we stopped in a bar about 2 units up from toilet block and on the opposite side. The lady that caught his eye said we were the first customers of the evening, it was about 8:30pm. We both ordered a Singha, they were 110bt each. My friend also bought a lady drink, a SML which was 210bt. He then asked what the prices were for her, the bar fine was 1,200bt and she wanted 3,000bt for 2 hours or 6,000bt for all night. We quickly drunk the warmish Singhas and moved on..... This was just in one of the open beer bars in Myth, i estimate that there were no more than fifty customers in the entire complex, some of which may well of been the Falang owners / managers. We then called into quite a few bars in the Baukhow area where the prices varied somewhat but were FAR more reasonable than in the Myth bar. It never ceases to amaze me the model that bar businesses in Thailand's red light districts adopt when times are hard, it gets them absolutely nowhere but do they learn, not a chance...... 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 (edited) 7 hours ago, SteveBC said: The cost of the bar fine is just the initial shock, it's when you ask your chosen lady what she wants for long/short time when the real impact is felt !!!! About 1 month ago i was walking through Myth with an English mate on his first visit to Pattaya, we stopped in a bar about 2 units up from toilet block and on the opposite side. The lady that caught his eye said we were the first customers of the evening, it was about 8:30pm. We both ordered a Singha, they were 110bt each. My friend also bought a lady drink, a SML which was 210bt. He then asked what the prices were for her, the bar fine was 1,200bt and she wanted 3,000bt for 2 hours or 6,000bt for all night. We quickly drunk the warmish Singhas and moved on..... This was just in one of the open beer bars in Myth, i estimate that there were no more than fifty customers in the entire complex, some of which may well of been the Falang owners / managers. We then called into quite a few bars in the Baukhow area where the prices varied somewhat but were FAR more reasonable than in the Myth bar. The last time I took a girl from here in 2019 before they tore the old bars down I paid a 300 baht bar fine and 1500 LT......And she was quite pleased to be getting 1500....And a 57 year old stud muffin... Do any fools really pay 6000 LT from a beer bar ? They must or she would not even have the nerve to ask that much... Edited August 21 by fforest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freee!! Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 8 hours ago, SteveBC said: The cost of the bar fine is just the initial shock, it's when you ask your chosen lady what she wants for long/short time when the real impact is felt !!!! About 1 month ago i was walking through Myth with an English mate on his first visit to Pattaya, we stopped in a bar about 2 units up from toilet block and on the opposite side. The lady that caught his eye said we were the first customers of the evening, it was about 8:30pm. We both ordered a Singha, they were 110bt each. My friend also bought a lady drink, a SML which was 210bt. He then asked what the prices were for her, the bar fine was 1,200bt and she wanted 3,000bt for 2 hours or 6,000bt for all night. We quickly drunk the warmish Singhas and moved on..... This was just in one of the open beer bars in Myth, i estimate that there were no more than fifty customers in the entire complex, some of which may well of been the Falang owners / managers. We then called into quite a few bars in the Baukhow area where the prices varied somewhat but were FAR more reasonable than in the Myth bar. The last time I paid a barfine it was THB 200. And the going rate there was THB 1,000 LT. The last time I took a lady from an A-Go-Go, I took the mama-san and a cashier and I didn't pay anything except diner (after which I returned them to their place of work around 20:00, two old friends, nothing happened except a good diner). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post boydeste Posted August 21 Popular Post Share Posted August 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, fforest said: Do any fools really pay 6000 LT from a beer bar ? They must or she would not even have the nerve to ask that much... I think for many, it's more friendly to quote a very high price and take their commission from lady drinks, rather than tell you she won't barfine with you just after you have bought her a drink. Edited August 21 by boydeste 3 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yessongs Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Well I got "chastized" from a few friends who were here a while back in Bangkok. They were out of control spending wise IMO, they wanted what they wanted and were not going to listen to any type of common sense from me as far as negotiations. OK...their money, their holiday and so forth. I mean one night when I was with them, they would not even wait 45 minutes until midnight, the bar fine dropped to 800 baht from 1,200 baht. I took these 2 gals from Thermae on my last night.... my friends had already BF'D gals from Billboard Nana...no back to the hotel....these gals both had day jobs during the week..they even showed me their business cards. Was originally going to just take the gal on the left....but told her I would take her friend too.....the deal was a 4 hour 'date', no frills, just go down to Soi 11 and parked ourselves at Hiliary 3 and drank and listened to the band.....gave each gal 2,500 baht and had a great time with them. They of course wanted food too..as they were hungry. OK no problem, as you can imagine, that and drinks for the 4 hour gig really started to add up....I am going to check my ego at the door here and tell all of you, i probably spent 12k baht for the ENTIRE evening and obviously did not get laid! Hmmmm...perhaps I was not paying attention in my Algebra classes back in the day huh? So.....if you are a card counter and like to look at things from strictly a "business" standpoint, then perhaps paying a 1,200 baht bar fine and 6,000 LT with multiple shots, might have been a better choice... i guess we all have "choices" we have to make right? Myself included... 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasseye Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 I will read through this more closely later... But... just thought I'd throw in this tidbit now.... The concept that you may be "safer" or there is some "quality of service" benefit is a joke. I understand bar fining and the need to keep girls in the joint, need for income etc. But, the thinking that you are in less likely position to have a worry free night is laughable. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasseye Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 4 hours ago, Yessongs said: Well I got "chastized" from a few friends who were here a while back in Bangkok. They were out of control spending wise IMO, they wanted what they wanted and were not going to listen to any type of common sense from me as far as negotiations. OK...their money, their holiday and so forth. I mean one night when I was with them, they would not even wait 45 minutes until midnight, the bar fine dropped to 800 baht from 1,200 baht. I took these 2 gals from Thermae on my last night.... my friends had already BF'D gals from Billboard Nana...no back to the hotel....these gals both had day jobs during the week..they even showed me their business cards. Was originally going to just take the gal on the left....but told her I would take her friend too.....the deal was a 4 hour 'date', no frills, just go down to Soi 11 and parked ourselves at Hiliary 3 and drank and listened to the band.....gave each gal 2,500 baht and had a great time with them. They of course wanted food too..as they were hungry. OK no problem, as you can imagine, that and drinks for the 4 hour gig really started to add up....I am going to check my ego at the door here and tell all of you, i probably spent 12k baht for the ENTIRE evening and obviously did not get laid! Hmmmm...perhaps I was not paying attention in my Algebra classes back in the day huh? So.....if you are a card counter and like to look at things from strictly a "business" standpoint, then perhaps paying a 1,200 baht bar fine and 6,000 LT with multiple shots, might have been a better choice... i guess we all have "choices" we have to make right? Myself included... You won't get chastised from me mate. That shit eating grin on your face is all that matters. It's all about enjoying yourself and when you can making someone else's life a tad better. Tomorrow is around the corner. If fun was only about ejaculating then I would never leave the house. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boydeste Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 7 hours ago, Yessongs said: I guess we all have "choices" we have to make right? Myself included... It's all about personal choice. Everyone's situation is different and we don't all have the same spending power as each other. Take you for instance Mike. You likely get to experience lower Suk, once every few months alone to "play with girls". How much you spend to have fun in that limited time is almost irrelevant. Glad you enjoyed yourself again in Thermae, a large proportion of them have regular day jobs. I used to enjoy seeing the different girls flood in on Friday evenings after their shift and obviously Saturday nights too. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasseye Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 2 hours ago, boydeste said: It's all about personal choice. Everyone's situation is different and we don't all have the same spending power as each other. Take you for instance Mike. You likely get to experience lower Suk, once every few months alone to "play with girls". How much you spend to have fun in that limited time is almost irrelevant. Glad you enjoyed yourself again in Thermae, a large proportion of them have regular day jobs. I used to enjoy seeing the different girls flood in on Friday evenings after their shift and obviously Saturday nights too. Sometimes the hunt, titillation, talking, laughing and having fun is better than trying to find your pecker later back in the room when drunk off your ass. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boydeste Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 (edited) 2 hours ago, Glasseye said: Sometimes the hunt, titillation, talking, laughing and having fun is better than trying to find your pecker later back in the room when drunk off your ass. There are other options. You can always f**k in the afternoon, then go out and do all of that. Best of both worlds methinks. 😊 Edited August 22 by boydeste 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasseye Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 3 minutes ago, boydeste said: You can always f**k in the afternoon, then go out and do all of that. Best of both worlds methinks. 😊 You have that down well mate, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butch Posted August 22 Author Share Posted August 22 15 hours ago, Glasseye said: But... just thought I'd throw in this tidbit now.... The concept that you may be "safer" or there is some "quality of service" benefit is a joke. I understand bar fining and the need to keep girls in the joint, need for income etc. But, the thinking that you are in less likely position to have a worry free night is laughable. I think it (the safety part of it) goes back to the days when freelancers were freelancing because they couldn't work anywhere else due to having issues such as a bad reputation, couldn't get a clean bill of health, drug problem, violence problem or mental issues meaning no beer bar would employ them due to the risk they carried. You're 100% right that nowadays the only "safety net" is that if she's employed by the bar and you paid BF and she does a runner or steals your stuff, along with the hotel CCTV / Security the Bar may have an address or contact details for her if the Police are involved. The chances of that happening are very, very low indeed, and in all my years of visiting Pattaya I've NEVER heard an anecdotal experience of anyone getting robbed by a Girl from a bar whom they barfined. When I say robbed, I mean Cards / passport money stolen etc. It's also no guarantee of service either, that went out of the window years ago. Therefore, all said and done, I'd ask the question if it's fair or reasonable for these Bars to charge a barfine for girls who basically occupy a stool for a few hours?. as I said, in this case I positively encourage an arrangement to meet after work and avoid paying the Bar the BF, as the Bar has done literally nothing to warrant earning it. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasseye Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 On 8/22/2024 at 5:08 PM, boydeste said: It's all about personal choice. Everyone's situation is different and we don't all have the same spending power as each other. Take you for instance Mike. You likely get to experience lower Suk, once every few months alone to "play with girls". How much you spend to have fun in that limited time is almost irrelevant. Glad you enjoyed yourself again in Thermae, a large proportion of them have regular day jobs. I used to enjoy seeing the different girls flood in on Friday evenings after their shift and obviously Saturday nights too. I hope we can catch the Thermae dance at least one time this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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