Golfingboy Posted February 17, 2025 Posted February 17, 2025 (edited) I guess this is why they say always stay buckled up ! Obviously the massive storm we’ve had is surely the main factor, but to touch down and flip like this….wow. Same model as the Washington DC helicopter incident too 8 hurt, 1 seriously Edited February 17, 2025 by Golfingboy 5
coxyhog Posted February 17, 2025 Posted February 17, 2025 54 minutes ago, Golfingboy said: I guess this is why they say always stay buckled up ! Obviously the massive storm we’ve had is surely the main factor, but to touch down and flip like this….wow. Same model as the Washington DC helicopter incident too 8 hurt, 1 seriously Very,very lucky to have no fatalaties.
Golfingboy Posted February 17, 2025 Author Posted February 17, 2025 46 minutes ago, coxyhog said: Very,very lucky to have no fatalaties. Was like the movie Flight, but on the ground
forcebwithu Posted February 18, 2025 Posted February 18, 2025 That must have been one hell of a crosswind gust to flip the jet. Glad there were no fatalities. Injured count is now 18. 1
Golfingboy Posted February 18, 2025 Author Posted February 18, 2025 1 hour ago, forcebwithu said: That must have been one hell of a crosswind gust to flip the jet. Glad there were no fatalities. Injured count is now 18. Very hard first bounce and then it flipped, is what I am hearing . Was a fire too. I guess for once people were too busy to film it…..Actually very surpised by how slow eyewitness accounts are taking to reach mainstream media
forcebwithu Posted February 18, 2025 Posted February 18, 2025 4 minutes ago, Golfingboy said: Very hard first bounce and then it flipped, is what I am hearing . Was a fire too. I guess for once people were too busy to film it…..Actually very surpised by how slow eyewitness accounts are taking to reach mainstream media With all the CCTV cameras around, there's a good chance one of them will have captured the accident.
Golfingboy Posted February 18, 2025 Author Posted February 18, 2025 13 minutes ago, forcebwithu said: With all the CCTV cameras around, there's a good chance one of them will have captured the accident. Canada’s biggest airport, I assume you’re correct. Still though I’d expect to be seeing multiple angles by now, 6 hours is long time, no ? Well maybe not in Pattaya anymore
forcebwithu Posted February 18, 2025 Posted February 18, 2025 6 hours ago, Golfingboy said: I guess this is why they say always stay buckled up ! Obviously the massive storm we’ve had is surely the main factor, but to touch down and flip like this….wow. Same model as the Washington DC helicopter incident too 8 hurt, 1 seriously Here's the video of the still shot in your post. 2
forcebwithu Posted February 18, 2025 Posted February 18, 2025 A first person account of what happened. From his description it sounds like the jet skidded sideways on the snow slicked runaway and then flipped. 1 1
forcebwithu Posted February 18, 2025 Posted February 18, 2025 (edited) First video of the crash as it happened. Edited February 18, 2025 by forcebwithu 1 2
redwood13 Posted February 18, 2025 Posted February 18, 2025 This is somewhat the explanation I saw earlier today though I can't find it now. "the left wing to hit the ground, ripping it off. Then the right wing, which was still producing lift would have rolled the aircraft over on its back" Like a boat with the right wing the sail, hit by a wind strong enough to tip "the boat" over. 1
forcebwithu Posted February 18, 2025 Posted February 18, 2025 9 minutes ago, redwood13 said: This is somewhat the explanation I saw earlier today though I can't find it now. "the left wing to hit the ground, ripping it off. Then the right wing, which was still producing lift would have rolled the aircraft over on its back" Like a boat with the right wing the sail, hit by a wind strong enough to tip "the boat" over. It was the right wing that was ripped off. But the analysis is correct, the remaining wing would probably generate enough lift to flip the plane over, especially since this happened just after the plane touched down and hadn't yet begun any braking to reduce its speed. 1
KhunDon Posted February 18, 2025 Posted February 18, 2025 Christ they were damn lucky to survive that crash. How the heck it didn’t catch fire is another miracle, if you believe in things like that. 1
Golfingboy Posted February 18, 2025 Author Posted February 18, 2025 4 hours ago, KhunDon said: Christ they were damn lucky to survive that crash. How the heck it didn’t catch fire is another miracle, if you believe in things like that. It did it was put out 2
Golfingboy Posted February 18, 2025 Author Posted February 18, 2025 OMFG! You’d swear the Airport Authority and police were responding to questions about the OJ Simpson murders….”Sorry cannot comment, I’ll defer to someone else , ongoing investigation “…..Hate this BS They even stated 19 of 21 of people admitted to hospital were released. Of the remaining two , “was one of them a child “…..Sorry we cannot answer that 2
Butch Posted February 18, 2025 Posted February 18, 2025 On SKY news today they were talknig to an eyewitness, who said that all the passengers cooperated and helped each other, remained calm and followed instructions. Canadians are such polite people, even in the event of a disaster!. Good to hear no fatalities, I hope that those seriously injured pull through and don't have any life changing trauma, both mentally or physically. 6
fygjam Posted February 18, 2025 Posted February 18, 2025 Hmmm, not quite so polite... Passengers blasted for dangerous act during Delta Toronto plane crash Images of scared passengers evacuating the upturned plane that crash-landed in Toronto with personal belongings like backpacks and neck pillows have been blasted. https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/passengers-blasted-for-dangerous-act-during-delta-toronto-plane-crash/news-story/9574966f1ccac1ca89ec478f041346ea 1 1
Golfingboy Posted February 19, 2025 Author Posted February 19, 2025 (edited) Seeing the cellphone videos, I’m no aviation expert , but the descent was very fast, opposite of “butter”. Add in a gust, and it’s understandable what happened …only the right rear wheel touched down, collapsed, then the same wing also got crushed ……But even considering all that, to flip over a split second later. …..wow ! Nobody’s blaming the pilot yet, but all the spokespersons/experts have all stated dozens of other planes landed fine in those same conditions Edited February 19, 2025 by Golfingboy
maipenrai Posted February 19, 2025 Posted February 19, 2025 2 hours ago, Golfingboy said: Seeing the cellphone videos, I’m no aviation expert , but the descent was very fast, opposite of “butter”. Add in a gust, and it’s understandable what happened …only the right rear wheel touched down, collapsed, then the same wing also got crushed ……But even considering all that, to flip over a split second later. …..wow ! Nobody’s blaming the pilot yet, but all the spokespersons/experts have all stated dozens of other planes landed fine in those same conditions Looks to me like the plane came down really hard, not surprising something gave way.... 1
fygjam Posted February 19, 2025 Posted February 19, 2025 Includes video from a plane waiting to takeoff. 4
forcebwithu Posted February 19, 2025 Posted February 19, 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, fygjam said: Includes video from a plane waiting to takeoff. The video you posted had the last data point before landing at a vertical rate of descent of 480 ft/min (5:41). I wonder what dataset the pilot being interviewed in the vid below had access to as he makes the statement the last data had the descent rate of 1,100 ft/min (6:16) and equates the landing to an aircraft carrier landing. For comparison, what a textbook landing for the CRJ 900 looks like. Edited February 19, 2025 by forcebwithu 1
fygjam Posted February 19, 2025 Posted February 19, 2025 (edited) 2 hours ago, forcebwithu said: The video you posted had the last data point before landing at a vertical rate of descent of 480 ft/min (5:41). I wonder what dataset the pilot being interviewed in the vid below had access to as he makes the statement the last data had the descent rate of 1,100 ft/min (6:16) and equates the landing to an aircraft carrier landing. Here are the final moments with the ADSB data from FR24. Data from other sources may differ slightly. The data in the video I posted is from ADSBEXCHANGE (adsbexchange.com). Timestamp UTC Callsign Position Altitude Speed Direction 1739819296 2025-02-17T19:08:16Z EDV4819 43.803097,-79.474968 3000 132 232 1739819304 2025-02-17T19:08:24Z EDV4819 43.800209,-79.480263 3000 134 232 1739819312 2025-02-17T19:08:32Z EDV4819 43.796906,-79.486084 3000 143 231 1739819321 2025-02-17T19:08:41Z EDV4819 43.793041,-79.492294 3000 142 228 1739819323 2025-02-17T19:08:43Z EDV4819 43.792099,-79.493683 3000 142 227 1739819325 2025-02-17T19:08:45Z EDV4819 43.791225,-79.49498 3000 139 227 1739819327 2025-02-17T19:08:47Z EDV4819 43.79034,-79.496284 3000 137 226 1739819329 2025-02-17T19:08:49Z EDV4819 43.789364,-79.497658 3000 138 226 1739819331 2025-02-17T19:08:51Z EDV4819 43.788528,-79.498856 2975 135 225 1739819333 2025-02-17T19:08:53Z EDV4819 43.787735,-79.500015 2975 135 225 1739819336 2025-02-17T19:08:56Z EDV4819 43.786743,-79.50148 2975 134 225 1739819338 2025-02-17T19:08:58Z EDV4819 43.785873,-79.502693 2975 136 226 1739819340 2025-02-17T19:09:00Z EDV4819 43.784756,-79.504326 2975 136 226 1739819342 2025-02-17T19:09:02Z EDV4819 43.783997,-79.505371 2975 137 225 1739819344 2025-02-17T19:09:04Z EDV4819 43.782944,-79.506905 2975 137 225 1739819352 2025-02-17T19:09:12Z EDV4819 43.77919,-79.512146 2975 136 224 1739819361 2025-02-17T19:09:21Z EDV4819 43.775253,-79.517319 3000 140 223 1739819369 2025-02-17T19:09:29Z EDV4819 43.771393,-79.522507 3000 142 225 1739819377 2025-02-17T19:09:37Z EDV4819 43.767654,-79.527733 2975 142 225 1739819386 2025-02-17T19:09:46Z EDV4819 43.763851,-79.533104 2900 140 225 1739819392 2025-02-17T19:09:52Z EDV4819 43.761017,-79.537247 2775 141 226 1739819400 2025-02-17T19:10:00Z EDV4819 43.75724,-79.542778 2625 138 227 1739819408 2025-02-17T19:10:08Z EDV4819 43.753704,-79.548141 2525 138 227 1739819415 2025-02-17T19:10:15Z EDV4819 43.751083,-79.552193 2450 139 227 1739819423 2025-02-17T19:10:23Z EDV4819 43.747284,-79.557747 2300 138 226 1739819432 2025-02-17T19:10:32Z EDV4819 43.74353,-79.563179 2175 137 226 1739819438 2025-02-17T19:10:38Z EDV4819 43.740948,-79.56691 2100 132 226 1739819446 2025-02-17T19:10:46Z EDV4819 43.73769,-79.571686 2050 122 225 1739819454 2025-02-17T19:10:54Z EDV4819 43.734432,-79.576263 1875 118 225 1739819463 2025-02-17T19:11:03Z EDV4819 43.731308,-79.580811 1775 111 226 1739819471 2025-02-17T19:11:11Z EDV4819 43.728516,-79.584961 1725 118 228 1739819479 2025-02-17T19:11:19Z EDV4819 43.725403,-79.589493 1625 116 224 1739819488 2025-02-17T19:11:28Z EDV4819 43.722382,-79.593712 1500 111 227 1739819496 2025-02-17T19:11:36Z EDV4819 43.719589,-79.597992 1425 110 228 1739819504 2025-02-17T19:11:44Z EDV4819 43.71666,-79.602524 1325 114 227 1739819512 2025-02-17T19:11:52Z EDV4819 43.713547,-79.606934 1250 120 224 1739819520 2025-02-17T19:12:00Z EDV4819 43.710342,-79.611465 1150 120 226 1739819528 2025-02-17T19:12:08Z EDV4819 43.70723,-79.616135 1050 120 226 1739819535 2025-02-17T19:12:15Z EDV4819 43.704803,-79.619514 975 118 225 1739819543 2025-02-17T19:12:23Z EDV4819 43.701782,-79.623924 875 119 227 1739819549 2025-02-17T19:12:29Z EDV4819 43.699375,-79.627464 800 121 227 1739819557 2025-02-17T19:12:37Z EDV4819 43.696106,-79.632225 725 118 224 1739819568 2025-02-17T19:12:48Z EDV4819 43.692581,-79.637276 575 110 225 Proportional fonts stuff up the formatting but you get the picture. Edited February 19, 2025 by fygjam
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