Air India crash

[coxyhog]

https://news.sky.com/story/india-to-london-plane-crashes-with-at-least-242-people-on-board-13382483

Judging by the video it lost power & there won't be any survivors,very sad.

Is that the first 787 to crash?

Gear is down but flaps appear to be retracted so maybe they retracted the flaps instead of the gear,that would certainly cause a crash that soon after leaving the ground.

Edited June 12, 2025 by coxyhog

[lazarus]

The number of British nationals on board the Air India flight that crashed earlier today has been confirmed.

According to Air India, 53 UK citizens were among the 242 people on Flight AI171, which crashed shortly after taking off from Ahmedabad around 2pm IST.

In a statement, the airline said:

“Air India confirms that flight AI171, from Ahmedabad to London Gatwick, was involved in an accident today after take-off.

“The Boeing 787-8, which departed at 13:38, was carrying 242 passengers and crew. On board were 169 Indian nationals, 53 British nationals, 1 Canadian national, and 7 Portuguese nationals.”

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https://www.instagram.com/p/DKy-uz6MTd2/?hl=en&img_index=1

[coxyhog]

Vishwash Kumar Ramish is one lucky man,seated in 11A he is the lone survivor.

 

Edited June 12, 2025 by coxyhog

[maipenrai]

11 minutes ago, coxyhog said:

Vishwash Kumar Ramish is one lucky man,seated in 11A he is the lone survivor.

 

Lucky indeed and I read that this is the first 787 to crash...

[Yesitisdakid]

I hope he didn't have anything family on board

[Nightcrawler]

I was looking at the video of take off and crash earlier and there doesn't appear to be any obvious reasons for the crash. The plane would have been heavily laidened with fuel for a journey to UK and I guess that added to the catastrophe of the impact. 

No doubt,in time, investigators will be able to access the flight recorder and examine the wreckage.

What a terrible tragedy.  But thank God that air travel is still the safest form of transport.  

[forcebwithu]

Video from the same plane on a flight prior to the one that crashed. The fact that things in the passenger cabin were not working points to poor maintenance. Reading the comments on this vid, others flying Air India reported the same on other flights.

 

[Painter]

43 minutes ago, Yesitisdakid said:

I hope he didn't have anything family on board

I think I read that his brother was in the seat next to him. 

[Horizondave]

1 hour ago, Painter said:

I think I read that his brother was in the seat next to him. 

His brother was seated across the aisle on the opposite side of the plane according to other reports. 

Either way I reckon seat 11A is going to become a preferred seat for many.

Why that one seat. It was a window emergency exit seat 

[forcebwithu]

Video from after the cash showing the flaps were extended. Have to wait on the flight recorder analysis to determine if they were deployed late in the flight.

 

[fygjam]

 

[coxyhog]

I hear on the grapevine that the cause was the captains seat moving backwards on rotation with his hand on the throttles.

[forcebwithu]

35 minutes ago, coxyhog said:

I hear on the grapevine that the cause was the captains seat moving backwards on rotation with his hand on the throttles.

Would that cause the RAT to deploy?

In this video the commentator has obtained the original video of the flight's takeoff and eventual crash, rather than the previously published video of a video most of us have seen. Because of the calamity of the image,  you can see the RAT deployed. He makes the statement there are three failures that will cause the automatic deployment of the RAT; an electrical failure, a hydraulic failure, a dual engine failure. He now thinks this was a dual engine failure and explains why.

 

[coxyhog]

1 minute ago, forcebwithu said:

Would that cause the RAT to deploy?

In this video the commentator has obtained the original video of the flight's takeoff and eventual crash, rather than the previously published video of a video most of us have seen. Because of the calamity of the image,  you can see the RAT deployed. He makes the statement there are three failures that will cause the automatic deployment of the RAT; an electrical failure, a hydraulic failure, a dual engine failure. He now thinks this was a dual engine failure and explains why.

 

What my mate posted to me looked like the Indian CAA preliminary report,whether it's kosher or not I don't know.My mate is an ex-747 flight engineer & has a lot of contacts.I tried to copy & paste but didn't work.

[forcebwithu]

30 minutes ago, coxyhog said:

What my mate posted to me looked like the Indian CAA preliminary report,whether it's kosher or not I don't know.My mate is an ex-747 flight engineer & has a lot of contacts.I tried to copy & paste but didn't work.

This article dated 15 June mentioned the timeframe for release of a preliminary report. Perhaps we'll get an early release of what they found on the DFDR and CVR.

Air India Ahmedabad plane crash: International agencies reach Ahmedabad to assist in crash probe

Downloading and analysing black box could take four to five days; personnel from U.S. and U.K. arrive in Ahmedabad; UN norms state that a country probing an accident should produce a preliminary report within 30 days
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The AAIB retrieved the black box a day after the June 12 crash from the accident site, i.e., the BJ Medical college hostel campus. The next steps involve “milking” the data from the cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and digital flight data recorder (DFDR), which together comprise the black box. Milking implies downloading of raw data, which could take up to 25 hours for the DFDR and two hours for the CVR. After this, the data will be analysed to interpret flight parameters such as speed, angle of attack, among others. The two exercises together could take up to four to five days, said a former senior investigator of the AAIB.
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Edited June 16, 2025 by forcebwithu

[fygjam]

Commercial Aviation

Fact-Check: Viral "Air India Crash Preliminary Report" a Hoax

A viral "AAIB report" on the AI171 crash is a hoax. It falsely blames a seat malfunction for the tragedy. Official information is that the real investigation is ongoing, and no cause has been found.

A detailed document claiming to be a preliminary report from India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) about the June 12 crash of Air India Flight AI171 is being shared online. This document, which claims a pilot's seat malfunction caused the disaster, is a fabrication.

https://www.aviacionline.com/fact-check-viral-air-india-crash-preliminary-report-a-hoax

[Bazle]

https://youtu.be/QGixhVwA6DA

Fascinating video suggesting that this was sabotage by means of corrupted software, and that there is a big cover-up.

[forcebwithu]

7 hours ago, Bazle said:

https://youtu.be/QGixhVwA6DA

Fascinating video suggesting that this was sabotage by means of corrupted software, and that there is a big cover-up.

More conspiracy theory nonsense. Hardly a cover-up. Investigators are looking at the cause of the crash from all angles, including the possibility of sabotage. Investigations take time, but I'm sure if you keep looking you can find more conspiracy theories to fill that time.

Investigators look into Air India sabotage theory 

Mon, June 30, 2025 at 12:05 AM GMT+7

The Indian authorities are investigating the possibility that sabotage could have caused the deadly Air India crash.

Murlidhar Mohol, India’s civil aviation minister, said investigators were examining all possibilities, including sabotage, that could have led to Air India Flight 171 plunging from the skies shortly after taking off from Ahmedabad Airport on June 12.
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The AAIB, assisted by American and British teams, is analysing the plane’s voice and data recorders, known as black boxes, and has yet to comment on any findings.

The minister called the crash a “rare case” and, referring to claims by veteran pilots and experts that a dual-engine failure may have led to the crash, said: “It has never happened that both engines have shut down together.”

“Once the report comes, we will be able to ascertain if it was an engine problem or fuel supply issue or why both engines had stopped functioning.

“There is a CVR [cockpit voice recorder] in the black box which has stored the conversation between the two pilots. It is too early to say anything, but whatever it is, it will come out. The report will come in three months.”
...

[coxyhog]

Pilot error,looks like one of them shut off the fuel.

https://news.sky.com/story/fuel-to-engines-of-air-india-plane-cut-off-moments-before-crash-preliminary-report-finds-13395620

Another reason why I'll never fly Air India.

[Horizondave]

25 minutes ago, coxyhog said:

Pilot error,looks like one of them shut off the fuel.

https://news.sky.com/story/fuel-to-engines-of-air-india-plane-cut-off-moments-before-crash-preliminary-report-finds-13395620

Another reason why I'll never fly Air India.

What worries me is that the controls for the fuel cut off don't seem to be protected from accidental switch off. Just a flick of a switch and the fuel to the engines is cut off.

It should be made impossible to cut off the fuel as the plane takes off, certainly after V1 has been called and the aircraft has reached a safe height to allow for what happened to not take place.

I hope not sabotage, maybe more a mistake by the pilot, but seems ridiculously easy to bring a plane down.

[fygjam]

2 hours ago, Horizondave said:

What worries me is that the controls for the fuel cut off don't seem to be protected from accidental switch off. Just a flick of a switch and the fuel to the engines is cut off.

It should be made impossible to cut off the fuel as the plane takes off, certainly after V1 has been called and the aircraft has reached a safe height to allow for what happened to not take place.

I hope not sabotage, maybe more a mistake by the pilot, but seems ridiculously easy to bring a plane down.

Covered in the below vid. The switched are meant to be lifted up to clear the guards before they can be moved but don't necessarily work as designed.

 

[forcebwithu]

52 minutes ago, fygjam said:

Covered in the below vid. The switched are meant to be lifted up to clear the guards before they can be moved but don't necessarily work as designed.

 

His comment was spot on at the end of his vid. "At least we now know what happened to the 787 Air India. Ending weeks of senseless speculation and AI slop here on the internet."

[forcebwithu]

7 hours ago, Hippyguy said:

Thats the issue with DEI it ignores meritocracy , of course if that was the case no one knows yet.

But it is an issue in many business ,  best candidate for job always.

As this was an Air India flight, I'm not sure why you believe DEI might have been an issue. That's something we're more likely to see in western countries, not in India.

[CalEden]

5 hours ago, forcebwithu said:

As this was an Air India flight, I'm not sure why you believe DEI might have been an issue. That's something we're more likely to see in western countries, not in India.

One of the demo vid's linked had all female crew or all Tom crew plus they were holding hands on the throttle. I have to admit I get a little nervous when I see a female enter the cockpit on my flight.  

Edited July 12, 2025 by CalEden

[Bazle]

27 minutes ago, CalEden said:

 I have to admit I get a little nervous when I see a female enter the cockpit on my flight.  

No need to worry - there's no reverse gear. 

🙂