Kathmandu Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 About 10 days out from Derby 147. Just had a quick look at the list of pre-entries and 1 horse that looked good was Hot Rod Charlie. Any of you gents plan on making a wager or 3? Rank Horse/Trainer Points 1 Essential Quality Brad Cox 140 2 Hot Rod Charlie Doug O'Neill 110 3 Super Stock Steve Asmussen 109 4 Like the King Wesley Ward 104 5 Known Agenda Todd Pletcher 102 6 Rock Your World John Sadler 100 7 Bourbonic Todd Pletcher 100 8 Medina Spirit Bob Baffert 74 9 Midnight Bourbon Steve Asmussen 66 10 Mandaloun Brad Cox 52 11 Caddo River Brad Cox 50 12 Highly Motivated Chad Brown 50 13 Helium Mark Casse 50 14 Soup and Sandwich Mark Casse 40 15 Dynamic One Todd Pletcher 40 16 Sainthood Todd Pletcher 40 17 Hidden Stash Vicki Oliver 32 18 Dream Shake Peter Eurton 30 19 O Besos Greg Foley 25 20 Get Her Number Peter Miller 20 21 Hozier Bob Baffert 20 22 King Fury Kenny McPeek 20 23 Keepmeinmind Robertino Diodoro 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondropkid Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 12 hours ago, Kathmandu said: About 10 days out from Derby 147. Just had a quick look at the list of pre-entries and 1 horse that looked good was Hot Rod Charlie. Any of you gents plan on making a wager or 3? Rank Horse/Trainer Points 1 Essential Quality Brad Cox 140 2 Hot Rod Charlie Doug O'Neill 110 3 Super Stock Steve Asmussen 109 4 Like the King Wesley Ward 104 5 Known Agenda Todd Pletcher 102 6 Rock Your World John Sadler 100 7 Bourbonic Todd Pletcher 100 8 Medina Spirit Bob Baffert 74 9 Midnight Bourbon Steve Asmussen 66 10 Mandaloun Brad Cox 52 11 Caddo River Brad Cox 50 12 Highly Motivated Chad Brown 50 13 Helium Mark Casse 50 14 Soup and Sandwich Mark Casse 40 15 Dynamic One Todd Pletcher 40 16 Sainthood Todd Pletcher 40 17 Hidden Stash Vicki Oliver 32 18 Dream Shake Peter Eurton 30 19 O Besos Greg Foley 25 20 Get Her Number Peter Miller 20 21 Hozier Bob Baffert 20 22 King Fury Kenny McPeek 20 23 Keepmeinmind Robertino Diodoro 18 I'll have a look on the day. Generally I'll follow the tipster in my racing paper, whose red hot on the US racing. Not much early betting here in the UK , can see Hot Rod Charlie at 11.0 but hardly any bookies bothering to price up the race at present. UK markets are mainly focused on the 2,000 Guineas, run earlier the same day as your Derby. A straight 1 mile race on turf for the 3 year old colts. Love watching the footage of the incredible crowds on the infield at Kentucky, and the singing of My Old Kentucky home. Looking forward to it, though limited crowds I'd guess? Limited crowds allowed from 17th May here in the UK. Am booked in 19th May, and some jumps racing- real sport😎 can't wait. Not been on a racecourse since March 2020 and Cheltenham, one of the things I've missed the most. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondropkid Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 On 4/21/2021 at 11:00 PM, Kathmandu said: About 10 days out from Derby 147. Just had a quick look at the list of pre-entries and 1 horse that looked good was Hot Rod Charlie. Any of you gents plan on making a wager or 3? Rank Horse/Trainer Points 1 Essential Quality Brad Cox 140 2 Hot Rod Charlie Doug O'Neill 110 3 Super Stock Steve Asmussen 109 4 Like the King Wesley Ward 104 5 Known Agenda Todd Pletcher 102 6 Rock Your World John Sadler 100 7 Bourbonic Todd Pletcher 100 8 Medina Spirit Bob Baffert 74 9 Midnight Bourbon Steve Asmussen 66 10 Mandaloun Brad Cox 52 11 Caddo River Brad Cox 50 12 Highly Motivated Chad Brown 50 13 Helium Mark Casse 50 14 Soup and Sandwich Mark Casse 40 15 Dynamic One Todd Pletcher 40 16 Sainthood Todd Pletcher 40 17 Hidden Stash Vicki Oliver 32 18 Dream Shake Peter Eurton 30 19 O Besos Greg Foley 25 20 Get Her Number Peter Miller 20 21 Hozier Bob Baffert 20 22 King Fury Kenny McPeek 20 23 Keepmeinmind Robertino Diodoro 18 My UK newspaper has tipped Hot Rod Charlie! Must be reading your posts😎 Will have a small punt, unusually few UK bookies betting on the race. Has me wondering if the US authorities have taken away betting licences from some UK operators? Shall have to scratch around tomorrow so see if I get an O.k price 10.0 best at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathmandu Posted May 1, 2021 Author Share Posted May 1, 2021 8 hours ago, Lemondropkid said: My UK newspaper has tipped Hot Rod Charlie! Must be reading your posts😎 Yeah, I figured as much. Thought I would get him at 8-1. Not sure about that now. 2000 Guineas...Is it the Galieo colt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondropkid Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kathmandu said: Yeah, I figured as much. Thought I would get him at 8-1. Not sure about that now. 2000 Guineas...Is it the Galieo colt? Don't tend to be on the 2000 Guineas, too much of guessing game. The main fun today is Punchestown in Ireland over the jumps- it's the best racing of Ireland's jumps season. Picking the winners this week there has been pretty easy, the all trained by the same guy, Willie Mullins. Of the 32 races run this week, he's already trained 16 of the winners😀 He tends to enter multiple horses in a race, and often his second and third strings can win or place. I've bet 5 of his winner this week 12/1 (twice), 10/1, 9/1, 3/1, and 2/1 along with multiple places. It's been fantastic🥳 8 more races today to finish the 5 day festival, they don't mess around in Ireland, when they put on a festival- sadly it's behind closed doors. Good luck in the Derby☘️☘️☘️ Edited May 1, 2021 by Lemondropkid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondropkid Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 (edited) Great run from Hot Rod @Kathmandu Got 10/1 in the UK yesterday- paid 2/1 on the place, hope you had the show😊 Fantastic to see 51,838 people there, and well done to Medina Spirit, Baffert and Johnny V. $1,000 bucks as a yearling, seems you really can dream🤑 Onto Pimlico. Edited May 2, 2021 by Lemondropkid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathmandu Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Lemondropkid said: Great run from Hot Rod @Kathmandu Got 10/1 in the UK yesterday- paid 2/1 on the place, hope you had the show😊 Fantastic to see 51,838 people there, and well done to Medina Spirit, Baffert and Johnny V. $1,000 bucks as a yearling, seems you really can dream🤑 Onto Pimlico. I played the exacta and was fortunate to get two really nice priced horses in there (Medina Spirit 12-1 and Mandaloun 26-1). Paid $250.00 for a $1.00 bet. Game effort from Hot Rod Charlie, just came up a little short. Very thrilling race! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stillearly Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/may/09/trainer-mystified-after-kentucky-derby-winner-medina-spirit-fails-drug-test Kentucky Derby winner Medina Spirit faces disqualification after failed drug test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondropkid Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, Stillearly said: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/may/09/trainer-mystified-after-kentucky-derby-winner-medina-spirit-fails-drug-test Kentucky Derby winner Medina Spirit faces disqualification after failed drug test I like the trainer Bob Baffert but when I saw the headline, honestly wasn't the least bit surprised. There seems to be issues surrounding medication in US racing that don't seem to be going away. Hopefully some good may come out this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathmandu Posted May 9, 2021 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Stillearly said: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/may/09/trainer-mystified-after-kentucky-derby-winner-medina-spirit-fails-drug-test Kentucky Derby winner Medina Spirit faces disqualification after failed drug test 6 hours ago, Lemondropkid said: I like the trainer Bob Baffert but when I saw the headline, honestly wasn't the least bit surprised. There seems to be issues surrounding medication in US racing that don't seem to be going away. Hopefully some good may come out this. They'll need to do a 2nd test on the original blood sample before we move forward. I'm going to hold off comment until then. I gotta go on air with Baffert next week, as I'm the Horse Racing Senior Analyst for KSRO's The Drive. NOT looking forward to it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stillearly Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Cancel culture.... 555 what a prick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrmango Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 On 5/9/2021 at 7:25 AM, Lemondropkid said: I like the trainer Bob Baffert but when I saw the headline, honestly wasn't the least bit surprised. There seems to be issues surrounding medication in US racing that don't seem to be going away. Hopefully some good may come out this I doubt it. As I remember, he has been caught, what 4-5 times for the same thing over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondropkid Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mrmango said: I doubt it. As I remember, he has been caught, what 4-5 times for the same thing over the years. Have to admit, not that up on US racing so didn't realise this till reading more online.That probably reflects that it didn't hit the UK racing press, that I'll read everyday. This though has made the news here. A horse failing a drugs test in a classic is a major story. Can the US racing authorities really do nothing and allow Medina Spirit to run in the Preakness? Personally I'd be stunned if the horse is allowed to run. Edited May 11, 2021 by Lemondropkid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrmango Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 42 minutes ago, Lemondropkid said: This though has made the news here. A horse failing a drugs test in a classic is a major stor To keep it in context, from what I have read, the drug is not banned and is commonly used, but the amount in the bloodstream is limited at race time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondropkid Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mrmango said: To keep it in context, from what I have read, the drug is not banned and is commonly used, but the amount in the bloodstream is limited at race time. I'd feel the context is that of a classic and millions that the winner would make at stud in a normal year. Why would international breeder send a mare to a stallion that won a Classic race with double the level of a permitted pain killer in it's bloodstream? Also the perception that racing is a bent, people will watch races like the Kentucky Derby, the English Derby, the Melbourne Cup etc, what normally wouldn't be bothered with horse racing. If the US racing authorities take no action, and allow Medina Spirit to run in the Preakness, what are they doing to the reputation of the sport? I've no axe to grind with Baffert, but really can't see how Medina Spirit can be allowed to take part on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathmandu Posted May 11, 2021 Author Share Posted May 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Lemondropkid said: I'd feel the context is that of a classic and millions that the winner would make at stud in a normal year. Why would international breeder send a mare to a stallion that won a Classic race with double the level of a permitted pain killer in it's bloodstream? Also the perception that racing is a bent, people will watch races like the Kentucky Derby, the English Derby, the Melbourne Cup etc, what normally wouldn't be bothered with horse racing. If the US racing authorities take no action, and allow Medina Spirit to run in the Preakness, what are they doing to the reputation of the sport? I've no axe to grind with Baffert, but really can't see how Medina Spirit can be allowed to take part on Saturday. The drug in question was measured in picograms. The amount is like a grain of sand in an Olympic pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrmango Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 6 hours ago, Kathmandu said: The drug in question was measured in picograms. The amount is like a grain of sand in an Olympic pool. What seems funny to me is that it's ok to use, but not too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathmandu Posted May 11, 2021 Author Share Posted May 11, 2021 This might explain a lot... Kentucky Derby winner Medina Spirit was treated with an anti-fungal ointment containing betamethasone, the substance detected in his post-Derby blood sample, up until the day prior to the race, trainer Bob Baffert said in a statement released Tuesday. The ointment, called Otomax, was used to treat dermatitis on Medina Spirit’s hind end after his second-place finish in the April 3 Santa Anita Derby, Baffert said in the statement, which was released through his attorney. He said that he learned that the ointment contained betamethasone, a corticosteroid, on Monday, one day after announcing that Medina Spirit has tested positive for the substance after the Derby. https://www.drf.com/news/medina-spirit-was-treated-ointment-containing-betamethasone-derby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stillearly Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 So not cancel culture then , it was the trainers fault .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathmandu Posted May 11, 2021 Author Share Posted May 11, 2021 Yup. The buck stops with the trainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Medina Spirit passes drug tests, cleared to run in Preakness Medina Spirit has passed three rounds of prerace drug testing and been cleared to run in the Preakness on Saturday. Maryland racing officials said Friday tests on the Kentucky Derby winner and fellow Bob Baffert-trained Concert Tour came back with nothing that would cause them to be scratched from the second leg of the Triple Crown. Baffert's camp agreed to rigorous testing and monitoring of his horses as a condition of entry to the Preakness. Medina Spirit tested positive for the steroid betamethasone in post-Derby testing. If a second round of testing there comes back positive, Medina Spirit will be disqualified and Mandaloun named winner of the Derby. Medina Spirit was set as the 9-5 morning line favorite for the Preakness and Concert Tour the 5-2 second choice in the field of 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stillearly Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 From this years race .. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Dangleberries Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Stillearly said: From this years race .. 10 Furlong race - on the flat - 80/1 ..... Just about says it all!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondropkid Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 9 hours ago, Stillearly said: From this years race .. The commentary is amazing, if you listen back to it, the commentator doesn't see the winner Rich Strike till the shadows of the winning post. Such a shock winner it's almost like his eyes/brain have been unable to process what's happening. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathmandu Posted May 10, 2022 Author Share Posted May 10, 2022 I had Epicenter to complete my Pick 3. Needless to say I was not happy with the outcome! Still, it was an epic performance by the winning horse & jockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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