fygjam Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Now, Haneda Japan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Dangleberries Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I hope there aren't any fatalities or severe injuries.. Apparently it hit a Coast Guard plane .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted January 2 Author Share Posted January 2 Just now, Derek Dangleberries said: I hope there aren't any fatalities or severe injuries.. Apparently it hit a Coast Guard plane .... All crew and pax from A350 evacuated. Occupants of Coast Guard aircraft unknown at this stage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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forcebwithu Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 If the early reports are true, and I hope they are, all 300+ passengers and crew made it off the plane. Pretty amazing when you see the footage of how fast the fire engulfed the plane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butch Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Latest from SKY News is all pax / Crew on the A350 accounted for, 4/5 Crew on the coastguard A/C accounted for but condition unknown. Pretty impressive when you consider what appears to have happened. I don't think there would have been such an orderly evacuation had it been a Ryan Air flight from Magaluf... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted January 2 Author Share Posted January 2 5 on Coast Guard aircraft killed. Coast Guard aircraft was taking supplies to earthquake area. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freee!! Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 55 minutes ago, Butch said: Latest from SKY News is all pax / Crew on the A350 accounted for, 4/5 Crew on the coastguard A/C accounted for but condition unknown. Confirmation about A350 occupants, all survived, according to nu.nl: coastguard plane 5/6 dead, sixth heavily injured after managing to save himself. 57 minutes ago, Butch said: Pretty impressive when you consider what appears to have happened. I don't think there would have been such an orderly evacuation had it been a Ryan Air flight from Magaluf... It being a domestic flight (from Chitose, on the Japanese island Hokkaido) will probably have helped, mostly if not all Japanese occupants so pretty orderly and disciplined. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freee!! Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 On a Dutch forum (from which I copied the above picture) there was a remark that a lot of people have their coats on and even managed to get their hand baggage. About the coats the answer was that most probably kept their coats on for the short flight (less than an hour), but the hand baggage is certainly remarkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted January 3 Author Share Posted January 3 Oops, that's unfortunate. I looked up Haneda on Google maps trying to get a better picture of what happened. The same runway/taxiway where the initial collision occurred. Someone will probably claim Google predicted the accident. But it's just Google's overlaying images. Elsewhere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forqalso Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Video from inside the plane. https://news.sky.com/video/japan-airlines-footage-from-inside-the-plane-shows-the-moment-it-caught-fire-13040867 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 22 hours ago, lazarus said: 13 hours ago, Horizondave said: From that video, you can see the coast guard plane clearly turn on to the active runway. It either had authority to line up and was awaiting clearance to roll or turned on to the runway to lineup without clearance in error. Speculation of actual facts, of course, but very sad as to the outcome. Latest report is the coast guard pilot for some reason didn't hold as instructed. Japan coast guard plane not cleared for takeoff before deadly runway crash, air traffic control transcript suggests A Japanese coast guard aircraft which collided with a passenger plane at Tokyo’s Haneda International Airport was instructed only to “taxi to holding point” and had not been cleared for takeoff, an official transcript of air traffic control communications released Wednesday suggests. The fatal accident saw Japan Airlines flight 516 crash into the coast guard aircraft after touching down on the runway on Tuesday, causing it to erupt into a terrifying fireball. All 379 people on the Japan Airlines (JAL) plane were safely evacuated. Five of the six crew members on the smaller coast guard aircraft died, according to Japanese transport minister Tetsuo Saito. Saito on Wednesday released the transcript of more than four minutes of communications between air traffic controllers and the two planes immediately before the accident, which indicates the Japan Airlines flight had been given permission to land but does not show clear takeoff approval for the coast guard aircraft. In a further development, publicly available records appeared to suggest that out-of-service warning lights – designed to stop pilots from erroneously taxiing onto the runway – could have been another factor in the crash. ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Excellent first person account of the crash and evacuation of the aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) ^^^ Here's the pictures he referred to in his interview that he took just after evacuating. https://news.sky.com/story/japan-plane-fire-family-still-in-shock-after-evacuating-burning-aircraft-13041277 Edited January 4 by forcebwithu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizondave Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 9 hours ago, forcebwithu said: Latest report is the coast guard pilot for some reason didn't hold as instructed. Japan coast guard plane not cleared for takeoff before deadly runway crash, air traffic control transcript suggests A Japanese coast guard aircraft which collided with a passenger plane at Tokyo’s Haneda International Airport was instructed only to “taxi to holding point” and had not been cleared for takeoff, an official transcript of air traffic control communications released Wednesday suggests. The fatal accident saw Japan Airlines flight 516 crash into the coast guard aircraft after touching down on the runway on Tuesday, causing it to erupt into a terrifying fireball. All 379 people on the Japan Airlines (JAL) plane were safely evacuated. Five of the six crew members on the smaller coast guard aircraft died, according to Japanese transport minister Tetsuo Saito. Saito on Wednesday released the transcript of more than four minutes of communications between air traffic controllers and the two planes immediately before the accident, which indicates the Japan Airlines flight had been given permission to land but does not show clear takeoff approval for the coast guard aircraft. In a further development, publicly available records appeared to suggest that out-of-service warning lights – designed to stop pilots from erroneously taxiing onto the runway – could have been another factor in the crash. ... I may be wrong, but it looks like the coast guard plane was lined up on the runway for over 2 minutes before the collision. Whether the coast guard plane had made an error in lining up, whether guide lights were out etc., it still is sad that the control tower were not aware that a plane had encroached on to the active runway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 5 minutes ago, Horizondave said: I may be wrong, but it looks like the coast guard plane was lined up on the runway for over 2 minutes before the collision. Whether the coast guard plane had made an error in lining up, whether guide lights were out etc., it still is sad that the control tower were not aware that a plane had encroached on to the active runway. I was just looking at this video as it has good clips from the interior of plane. At about the 5 min mark is simulated view of the positions of the aircraft at the time of impact. The simulated view has the coast guard plane past the hold mark, but not lined up for take off. Assuming the simulation to be accurate, quite disturbing the pilots of the coast guard plane didn't realize they had passed the hold mark, and as you wrote for almost 2 minutes after they read back to ATC the hold command. High marks to the airport fire dept for getting on the scene and having started fighting the fire while the passengers were still evacuating (7:51). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Horizondave said: I may be wrong, but it looks like the coast guard plane was lined up on the runway for over 2 minutes before the collision. Whether the coast guard plane had made an error in lining up, whether guide lights were out etc., it still is sad that the control tower were not aware that a plane had encroached on to the active runway. According to the following video the Coast Guard pilot was told to hold at C5 2 minutes before the accident. From the comments associated with the vid @user-gtmaw31835 1 day ago (edited) 13:06 頃 Twr→JAL516 『JAL516,continue approach.Traffic B787 will depart from runway 34R』 14:58頃 JAL→Twr 『runway34R,cleared to land JAL516』 15:10 頃 Twr→海保機 『JA722A,you‘re no.1,taxy to holding point C-5』（復唱なし） The timestamps are relative to the start of the video but you can match them to the flight tracking display. 15:10 matches to 08:45 UTC. The bit at the end of the line translates as "no repeat" which I assume means no acknowledgment. In another video there was a helicopter view of both wrecks. The Coast Guard wreckage appeared to be lined up on the centreline of the runway. Edited January 4 by fygjam 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 ^^^ Found the helicopter view in this article. https://www.ft.com/content/4aad7419-882a-4591-977e-6db9c2088fa3 It could be the coast guard plane was turned to align with the centerline due to the impact. That would be consistent with the videos of the moment of impact and the simulated view showing the front of the JAL plane impacting the front of the guard plane. The torgue of the impact could have spun the guard plane to line up with the centerline, and the rotation stopped when the JAL wing impacted the guard plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 21 minutes ago, forcebwithu said: ^^^ Found the helicopter view in this article. https://www.ft.com/content/4aad7419-882a-4591-977e-6db9c2088fa3 It could be the coast guard plane was turned to align with the centerline due to the impact. That would be consistent with the videos of the moment of impact and the simulated view showing the front of the JAL plane impacting the front of the guard plane. The torgue of the impact could have spun the guard plane to line up with the centerline, and the rotation stopped when the JAL wing impacted the guard plane. Then there are what appear to be gashes on the inside (nearest the fuselage) of the A-350 engine cowlings which one "expert" thought could have been made the the horizontal stab of the CG aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, fygjam said: Then there are what appear to be gashes on the inside (nearest the fuselage) of the A-350 engine cowlings which one "expert" thought could have been made the the horizontal stab of the CG aircraft. I've read a couple more reports from pilots and they too think the the guard plane was holding on the runway, ready to take off when the JAL plane basically ran over them. A deadly mistake and RIP to those that died. Just remarkable that all 379 on the JAL plane safely evacuated with only one minor injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted January 5 Author Share Posted January 5 The officially released transcript of communications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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