Krapow Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 hours ago, cosceguinhas said: The family's story shows an extremely heavy handed approach, and I can see many cancellations once the story hits the western press. No family is going to risk being treated like that. We certainly won't ... 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stillearly Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 23 hours ago, Krapow said: Just been reading that a couple of farang kids, 7 and 9 year olds or similar, tested positive on their 2nd tests in Phuket sandbox. Apparently The Thai authorities have separated the kids from their family, sent them to hospital (asymptomatic) and the family to ALQ quarantine. f**k that, detaining the kids without their parents! I'll be nowhere near it, or i'd end up getting arrested. I posted a few months ago on this thread, i can't see them opening up in any meaningful/feasible way until they have the majority vaccinated. So sometime in 2023 then, earliest ... @roomark something to be aware of ... The father was allowed to be with them apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 8 hours ago, cosceguinhas said: The interviewer suggested she contact the German embassy and the local consul-general. I wonder what will come of that. From the article in her own words... Actually, I would have expected someone from the health authority, the CCSA, to be waiting for me at the reception. But no such thing. I was practically left to my own devices. The instruction to go to an ALQ only went to my hotel. No help from the authorities whatsoever! Null. Zero. Rien. The German Embassy and the Honorary Consulate in Phuket also remain silent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 This is a surprising, but welcome development. Sinovac dumped as second-dose vaccine in favour of AstraZeneca In a major policy change, the Public Health Ministry has decided to use the AstraZeneca vaccine for the second jab for those who received Sinovac as the first dose. Public Health Minister Anutin Chanvirakul announced the change on Monday. AstraZeneca would be administered as the second shot three or four weeks after the Sinovac inoculation. A combination of the two vaccines would provide a better defence against the Delta variant of the virus, he said. Mr Anutin did not say what people who have had two doses of Sinovac should do when the change in policy comes into force, or how it would affect people awaiting their first or second dose of the Astra Zeneca vaccine. ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 WTF..? Talk about highly transmissible. "...Of all 1,737 workers at the construction site, 1,327 tested positive. Among them, 23.3% were infected with the Alpha variant and 73.7% with Delta..." Seven cases of 'mixed infection' found https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2147519/seven-cases-of-mixed-infection-found Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappo Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 38 minutes ago, lazarus said: WTF..? Talk about highly transmissible. "...Of all 1,737 workers at the construction site, 1,327 tested positive. Among them, 23.3% were infected with the Alpha variant and 73.7% with Delta..." Seven cases of 'mixed infection' found https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2147519/seven-cases-of-mixed-infection-found all in close proximity - crammed into buses at the start and end of the day, all living and eating on top of each other ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Chappo said: all in close proximity - crammed into buses at the start and end of the day, all living and eating on top of each other ... Like most poor unvaccinated people in the world. ...get my drift? Edited July 12, 2021 by lazarus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappo Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 being vaccinated doesnt stop you from getting it or transmitting it - it has been shown to stop you needing hospitalization / ICU 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Chappo said: being vaccinated doesnt stop you from getting it or transmitting it - it has been shown to stop you needing hospitalization / ICU Ok, sure. Not 100%. But a lot better than not being vaccinated at all. Of course though, several of the vaccines preferred by the Thai gov'mint are not up to the snuff of the others. And, unvaccinated people working & living in crowded conditions is a recipe for large infection clusters. Could it be that 'some' are considered expendable in the name of economic stability? . . . Comparing the COVID-19 Vaccines: How Are They Different? https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison Pfizer-BioNTech -- 95% efficacy in preventing COVID-19 in those without prior infection. Moderna -- 94.1% effective at preventing symptomatic infection in people with no evidence of previous COVID-19 infection. Johnson & Johnson -- 72% overall efficacy Oxford-AstraZeneca -- 85% effective in preventing COVID-19 in people over 65. Novavax -- 90% effective against lab-confirmed, symptomatic infection Edited July 12, 2021 by lazarus ...on further thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, lazarus said: Could it be that 'some' are considered expendable in the name of economic stability? . . It may be an unpalatable truth but the answer to that question is unfortunately ......"Yes" The world cannot stand still for ever. Mass vaccination is the answer and those countries who get left behind ....................get left behind! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 More info on Thailand's decision to replace the 2nd shot of Sinovac with AZ. Looks like Thailand is going out on a limb with the mixed dose change, but given the lack of effectiveness of Sinovac they had to do something. Interesting also that Sinovac barely squeaked in at 51% effective, just over the WHO guideline of 50%. Thailand to boost Sinovac with AstraZeneca as Delta variant drives worst COVID-19 outbreak ... Officials in Thailand referenced a local study in their announcement, but experts say there is no peer-reviewed research on the approach. Infectious disease and vaccine expert Tony Cunningham from the Westmead Institute for Medical Research said Delta had "changed the whole scope of things". "It's a fairly desperate position for countries that are experiencing Delta surges and you just simply cannot rely on Sinovac alone," Professor Cunningham said. "But what they're doing is untested and untried." World Health Organization (WHO) chief scientist Soumya Swaminathan said the body was awaiting "data from mix and match studies of different vaccines" and warned individuals not to make decisions around mixing doses themselves. Sinovac is approved by the WHO and is one of the vaccines distributed under the COVAX facility. The Chinese-developed vaccine has an efficacy rate of 51 per cent, compared to AstraZeneca's 82 per cent. Under WHO guidelines, vaccine manufacturers must hit a vaccine efficacy target of 50 per cent. But as epidemiologist Hassan Vally says, variants have reduced the effectiveness of all vaccines. "You've got a vaccine like Sinovac that's 51 per cent effective in the trials, which were testing against the original strain of SARS CoV-2, and now you've got these variants of concern," he said. "The immune response elicited by the vaccine is being evaded by these variants, so you're getting reduced effectiveness of these vaccines in the real world, which is why Thailand is seeing what it's seeing and why it's working less effectively against the Delta variant." ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 Backtracking as infection numbers grow. And Phiphat Ratchakitprakarn, the tourism and sports minister, gets a long holiday! State tinkers with reopening plan https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/2148831/state-tinkers-with-reopening-plan The worsening Covid-19 situation in Thailand has led the Tourism and Sports Ministry to reconsider the country's reopening strategy, admitting some target destinations are still marred by soaring infections. However, the ministry insists on reopening Bangkok by this year as the capital is the heart of the tourism industry in Thailand. "With more than 9,000 cases per day, we cannot think of reopening the whole country or even 10 designated destinations as expected. We should adjust the strategy depending on the situation in each area and stay focused on provinces that have already reopened like the Phuket sandbox and Samui Plus schemes," said Phiphat Ratchakitprakarn, the tourism and sports minister... PATTAYA CONCERNS Thanet Supornsahasrungsi, acting president of the Chon Buri Tourism Council, said despite 513 new Covid-19 cases on Wednesday, the province is committed to its reopening plan for vaccinated international tourists starting in September, dubbed the "Pattaya Move On" programme. The province just cleared some hurdles as the TAT officially endorsed the provincial reopening plan, allowing the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration to allocate enough vaccines for its population of 450,000 in two districts: Bang Lamung and Sattahip. However, he said tourism operators acknowledged they must closely monitor the situation in the coming months. If cases rise in the area, Chon Buri might have to postpone the plan. "Even if we cannot reopen as planned, we still need to achieve herd immunity to ensure confidence as a destination for travellers," Mr Thanet said. He said more than 40% of small and medium-sized businesses in the hospitality sector in Pattaya have permanently closed since the first lockdown last year. Only 20-30% of remaining businesses are open. "The initial return of guests might be business travellers from industrial zones in the eastern provinces. However, we hope to achieve 30% of 2019 tourism numbers by the end of this year," said Mr Thanet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea-Hawks Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 Sandbox tourist forced to stay in quarantine hotel after passenger on flight tests positive https://youtu.be/_91SYF456UU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lazarus Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 (edited) According to this table from the Bangkok Post it appears that Bangkok "other officials" & "general public" aka "connected to gov'mint hi-so types" are the primary ones receiving the full vaccination (other than healthcare workers). The most vulnerable & people over 60 -- lag far behind. . . . CCSA to buy 1m more doses https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2148775/ccsa-to-buy-1m-more-doses Edited July 15, 2021 by lazarus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krapow Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 It will get a good bit worse before it gets any better. If they had been doing anywhere near the same number of tests the UK is, then actual figures would much higher. Vietnam starting to go the same direction ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painter Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/biontech-denies-talks-with-thai-thonburi-healthcare-vaccine-supply-2021-07-15/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pumpuynarak Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Pattaya-Chonburi relent, impose 2-week quarantine on interprovincial arrivals - Pattaya Mail https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/pattaya-chonburi-relent-impose-2-week-quarantine-on-interprovincial-arrivals-363517 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazle Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Chonburi now a "dark red" zone. https://thethaiger.com/news/national/7-more-provinces-classified-by-the-ccsa-as-dark-red-zones-under-maximum-control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Just received the following email from the US Embassy. Don't understand why it's only a one day advance notice, but it's not the Embassy's doing as the notice is from the Thai govt and the Embassy is only the messenger. Location: Bangkok, Thailand Event: COVID-19 Vaccine Opportunity for U.S. Citizens - July 17, 2021 The Thai Government has informed the U.S. Embassy that it is offering U.S. citizens in Thailand the opportunity to be vaccinated with the AstraZeneca vaccine at 4 p.m. this Sunday July 18, 2021 at SCG Headquarters in Bang Sue area of Bangkok. (See location map here: https://goo.gl/maps/dFRM8oycooZTtQJW8). IMPORTANT: Doses are limited. Those who are successful obtaining an appointment will be contacted. If you do not receive a return email verifying your appointment, assume all appointments have been filled. To register please click on this link:https://bit.ly/USTHvax2021 To get an appointment, you MUST: 1) pre-register through the above link AND, 2) receive an email confirmation from the Thai government. Do not show up at the vaccination location without the above two things, or you will be turned away. Please Note: By filling out this form, you acknowledge that your information is going directly to the Thai Government coordinating officials, not the U.S. Embassy. This opportunity is available in Bangkok this Sunday only. You will need to make your own travel arrangements to the vaccination site. This is a limited opportunity offered by the Thai Government. We do not know when/if similar opportunities will arise again in the future. Registration information is being collected by the Royal Thai Government, not the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok. The U.S. Embassy will not have access to information on the form. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, forcebwithu said: ...it's not the Embassy's doing as the notice is from the Thai govt... Hmmm... Maybe one of those "bait & switch" exercises to catch overstayers and scofflaws. Never know these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 minute ago, lazarus said: Hmmm... Maybe one of those "bait & switch" exercises to catch overstayers and scofflaws. Never know these days. I see now on Pattaya News Thailand is offering the same deal for New Zealanders and Australians tomorrow, but at different time slots. Suspect it's more a publicity stunt by the Thai govt so they can say they took care of the expats. Thing is, they make no mention of how many jabs will be made available, so it's probably like the airlines that offer extremely cheap seats, but the catch is there's only one or two seats available on every flight at that price. It'll be interesting to hear just how many were able to get their shots tomorrow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Chonburi now a dark red zone again. Not surprising since we hit a new daily high of new infections today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Dangleberries Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 hour ago, forcebwithu said: Chonburi now a dark red zone again. Not surprising since we hit a new daily high of new infections today. All of my Thai friends here are saying that it is Dark Red but without the financial compensation that BKK and The South were offered ..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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