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Heart sickening to see people trapped on high floors with no place to go to escape the fire.

The way the fire spread along the outside of the building and the pictures, like the one below, showing the aftermath indicate another building that was constructed with flammable cladding. A tragedy that could probably have been prevented for want of a few $'s more spent.

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9 hours ago, Glasseye said:

 

Jesus H. Another fire tragedy.

I have often wondered about those electronic door locks. Never have trusted them. I think many of those types of locks have back up batteries. But typical, what good is a backup battery if it isn't changed. 

Yeah, but every hotel I have been in that has electronic locks - and I am in one right now - is opened manually by a large crank from the inside, you only use the  card to get IN to the room so how is the electronic lock stopping people from leaving the room? Or are there newer versions I have not seen that require a card to leave? 

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9 hours ago, lazarus said:

"Some hotel guests who were unable to escape rooms with electronic door locks that no longer worked."

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https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/2471520/huge-fire-in-poipet-hotel-casino

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I've noticed many Thai news reports have obvious inaccuracies in them. The part about non-working electronic locks keeping preventing people from escaping is probably another one.

As @maipenrai pointed out, when exiting a room the electronic lock does not come into play. The doors probably had an engaged deadbolt and/or one of those swinging security latches that in the panic to escape they forgot to disengage.

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6 hours ago, forcebwithu said:

I've noticed many Thai news reports have obvious inaccuracies in them. The part about non-working electronic locks keeping preventing people from escaping is probably another one.

As @maipenrai pointed out, when exiting a room the electronic lock does not come into play. The doors probably had an engaged deadbolt and/or one of those swinging security latches that in the panic to escape they forgot to disengage.

 

Good point. 

 

Panic, and over correcting can really short circuit peoples ability to react, especially when out of your element.

example.... a basic double bolt lock (requires a key on both sides of the door to lock or unlock). Many people have them. If a guest is in house and the owner is incapacitated the guest may not know where the key is. Escape plans and more than one option is a must.

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6 hours ago, maipenrai said:

Yeah, but every hotel I have been in that has electronic locks - and I am in one right now - is opened manually by a large crank from the inside, you only use the  card to get IN to the room so how is the electronic lock stopping people from leaving the room? Or are there newer versions I have not seen that require a card to leave? 

 

I don't know, but I just don't trust them.

 

I have a Samsung electronic door lock on my condo door. All of the doors in the condo building have them, you open them with a key pod or by entering a digital code. 

On the inside of the lock there is the common door handle (I assume that is what you are referring to as a crank). Also on the lock is a switch of some sort ( i didn't even notice it until just now). I believe the switch is some added "security" feature. But from what I can tell they (condo management) disabled it. I realized this when I tested the switch. After switching it on within a few seconds it automatically disengages itself. Probably programed that way so that they could gain entry easier without having to bust the door down. There is also a push type button on the door handle,, I have no idea what that does or if it even works. 

When I moved in a maintenance guy came to the room, spent about twenty minutes reprograming it and replacing the batteries.

When electronic door locks first came into fashion there were countless stories of people being victimized by someone with a previous key card or code. I think they have adjusted most of those issues. And you are right.... a door lock mechanism should always allow you to exit, that doesn't mean they always will. 

I don't like them, don't trust them, never will.

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more scary BS propoganda.

 

the door locks are used globally.  most operate to get IN with a keycard.  NEVER electronic to leave, but instead standard manual leverage.  the extra deadbolt is used to stop maids and such coming in when you dont want them.  it doesnt over ride the locking it is an additional manual deadbolt that works only from inside.  the locks, sold globally, are designed with emergencies in mind and very safe.  

 

in the pet fire, no fire engines were available except from the thai side and none could reach the upper, room,  levels.  a lesson learned here in jomtien decades back, also to guest dis advantage... this is a total clusterfuck, RIP the probably 100 plus dead , but lets not blame the locks

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8 hours ago, tommy dee said:

more scary BS propoganda.

 

the door locks are used globally.  most operate to get IN with a keycard.  NEVER electronic to leave, but instead standard maual leverage.  the extra deadbolt is used to stop maids and such coming in when you dont want them.  it doesnt over ride the locking it is an aditional manual deadbolt that works only from inside.  the locks, sold globally, are designed with emergencies in mind and very safe.  

 

in the pet fire, no fire engines were available except from the thai side and none could reach the upper, room,  levels.  a lesson learned here in jomtien decades back, also to guest dis advantage... this is a total clusterfuck, RIP the probably 100 plus dead , but lets not blame the locks

I got a little chubby when i read this

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2 hours ago, Yesitisdakid said:

I got a little chubby when i read this

If the "Edit" time was extended Tommy would be able to go back and fix it.

11 hours ago, tommy dee said:

more scary BS propoganda.

 

the door locks are used globally.  most operate to get IN with a keycard.  NEVER electronic to leave, but instead standard maual leverage.  the extra deadbolt is used to stop maids and such coming in when you dont want them.  it doesnt over ride the locking it is an aditional manual deadbolt that works only from inside.  the locks, sold globally, are designed with emergencies in mind and very safe.  

 

in the pet fire, no fire engines were available except from the thai side and none could reach the upper, room,  levels.  a lesson learned here in jomtien decades back, also to guest dis advantage... this is a total clusterfuck, RIP the probably 100 plus dead , but lets not blame the locks

 

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