fygjam Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, roobob said: You have been listening to the Warden well.... 5555. For your information.... WA is apart of Australia..... all Australians are in it together..... WA is not a separate country.... even if the Warden has assumed it is. cheers Explain how exposing a state that is free of Covid-19 transmission to parts of the population which may still have transmission be for the "sake of all Australians"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, fygjam said: Explain how exposing a state that is free of Covid-19 transmission to parts of the population which may still have transmission be for the "sake of all Australians"? You like asking question but not to answer them...... happy to answer yours as I always have... but this time...you go first. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, roobob said: You like asking question but not to answer them...... happy to answer yours as I always have... but this time...you go first. cheers Explain how exposing a state that is free of Covid-19 transmission to parts of the population which may still have transmission be for the "sake of all Australians"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Must be great fun to travel with clowns like that near you ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Updated chart global daily deaths in France between 01/03 and 20/07, comparison 2018 / 2019 / 2020 We can see the peak in March / April and now things are back to normal, July being even a little bit lower than the previous years Now, since one week the media is going wild again in France with (if you believe them) 1000's of new cases diagnostic every day ... I am curious to see the chart next update, with the figures mid August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) Fine tuning the research. Know your risk. Researchers devise chart to gauge COVID risk ...Nicholas R. Jones of the University of Oxford and his fellow researchers from the University of Oxford, St. Thomas’ Hospital in London and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology concluded that the current rigid distancing guideline ignores the physics of respiratory emissions in which droplets of all sizes are concentrated in a gas cloud that can cover several meters in a few seconds. Two metres or one: what is the evidence for physical distancing in covid-19? -- ://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3223 Instead, they proposed a “more nuanced” model assessing the risk of viral transmission as it relates to the four “C’s” (close, closed, crowded, continuous) and whether or not face coverings are worn. The model assumes everyone is asymptomatic (or presymptomatic). This chart is a conceptualization of the virus transmission risk of the "4 C's" (close, closed, crowded and continuous) when a mask is worn. Note this only applies to presymptomatics/asymptomatics. https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/The-6-foot-rule-is-outdated-Researchers-devise-15520286.php Edited August 28, 2020 by lazarus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fforest Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 18 hours ago, Thai Spice said: Must be great fun to travel with clowns like that near you ..... They will not stop until people are frightened and terrified of each other.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 And the slaugther continues.... https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/mgm-resorts-lays-off-18-000-workers-11598626822 "MGM Resorts International is laying off 18,000 furloughed workers in the U.S. as a global travel slowdown impedes the casino industry’s recovery from the ongoing pandemic. ....... U.S. employers added 1.8 million jobs in July, but the country still had about 13 million fewer jobs than in February, according to a Labor Department report in early August. The unemployment rate in July was 10.2%. American Airlines Group Inc. said this week it will cut 19,000 workers by Oct. 1, and Delta Air Lines Inc. said it would furlough 1,941 pilots unless a deal is reached with their union on cost-cutting. Oil-field services provider Schlumberger Ltd. said in July it is cutting 21,000 jobs amid a historic oil downturn. The announcements are part of a wave of job furloughs expected to become permanent cuts this year." But remember and obey : Stay home, save lives ! 🙄🙄🙄🙄😁😁😁 And when you have lost your job, you can REALLY stay home .... Madness ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stillearly Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 More fear spreading by UK government.... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-winter-second-wave-uk-lockdown-schools-reopen-sage-a9695116.html%3famp "Coronavirus: UK winter could see 85,000 deaths in second wave, says leaked Sage report Scientists’ paper sets out the worst-case scenario, and does not represent a prediction" So, they shout loudly the figure 85,000 death in the title, but just underneath declare this is only a worst case scenario, and is not a prediction ..... So WTF, make it public ? If some.smart "scientific" committee came to that conclusion, the government can plan an prepare accordingly but what is the point to shout it.to the general public, just creating more fear, anxiety and panic ! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 5 hours ago, Stillearly said: 🙂 Actually this does not phase truthers in the slightest......But it might do a good job of getting some strays back into the herd... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 7 hours ago, fforest said: Actually this does not phase truthers in the slightest......But it might do a good job of getting some strays back into the herd... Isn't that how cults work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, fygjam said: Isn't that how cults work? That question would be better directed to the WA Warden.....he seems to know all about them......555 cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 1 hour ago, roobob said: That question would be better directed to the WA Warden.....he seems to know all about them......555 cheers Seeing as how you apparently enjoy my posts. How about an answer to Explain how exposing a state that is free of Covid-19 transmission to parts of the population which may still have transmission be for the "sake of all Australians"? instead of the usual off topic moronic dribble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 1 hour ago, fygjam said: Seeing as how you apparently enjoy my posts. How about an answer to Explain how exposing a state that is free of Covid-19 transmission to parts of the population which may still have transmission be for the "sake of all Australians"? instead of the usual off topic moronic dribble. As said.... You like asking question but not to answer them...... happy to answer yours as I always have... but this time...you go first.... here is the question again..... Why is the extension two months to the end of October... why not extend by one month .... what is the reason behind that??? Being the google expert of this site.... have you looked into the Warden and his mates Kerry and Twiggy???? Still with the personal snipes... only one reason for that...555 cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, roobob said: As said.... You like asking question but not to answer them...... happy to answer yours as I always have... but this time...you go first.... here is the question again..... Why is the extension two months to the end of October... why not extend by one month .... what is the reason behind that??? Being the google expert of this site.... have you looked into the Warden and his mates Kerry and Twiggy???? Still with the personal snipes... only one reason for that...555 cheers I am neither an epidemiologist or public health expert although I have a pretty good idea that you don't mix sour milk with the fresh milk or tainted meat with good meat. Apparently the advice from those qualified in those fields suggest that that is the timetable that should be followed. Question answered! Now explain how exposing a state that is free of Covid-19 transmission to parts of the population which may still have transmission be for the "sake of all Australians"? Edited August 30, 2020 by fygjam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, fygjam said: I am neither an epidemiologist or public health expert. Apparently the advice from those qualified in those fields suggest that that is the timetable that should be followed. Question answered! Now explain how exposing a state that is free of Covid-19 transmission to parts of the population which may still have transmission be for the "sake of all Australians"? No... the extension came from the Warden. As you have said many times...... and in your question.... WA is a state that is free of CV19 .... in fact YOU said they have been CV19 free for over 130 days just three days ago..... so why has Phase 4 been extended by two months.... not one month...not 6 weeks..... until October?? Surely it would not be because of the High Court case or for political gain for the Warden would it???....555 To your question... Again you go the "may" line.... but to answer it. WA is a part of Australia...it is not a stand alone country even if the Warden and his cronies think it is. As YOU have stated ...WA has been CV free for over 130 days now..... heck that is over 4 months and the Warden has extended that to 6 months for what reason?? For all to get back to normal lifestyle... it is time to open up.... test people who want to come if they like.... but there is no reason why WA should be locked down... none at all. It is clear for all to see... but perhaps not you.... that the only reason now why the WA borders are closed is not for the best interests of the WA citizens but only for the political gain of the WA Premier and for him to keep the extra power he has and does not want to give up. cheers Edited August 30, 2020 by roobob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, roobob said: No... the extension came from the Warden. As you have said many times...... and in your question.... WA is a state that is free of CV19 .... in fact YOU said they have been CV19 free for over 130 days just three days ago..... so why has Phase 4 been extended by two months.... not one month...not 6 weeks..... until October?? Surely it would not be because of the High Court case or for political gain for the Warden would it???....555 To your question... Again you go the "may" line.... but to answer it. WA is a part of Australia...it is not a stand alone country even if the Warden and his cronies think it is. As YOU have stated ...WA has been CV for over 130 days now..... heck that is over 4 months and the Warden has extended that to 6 months for what reason?? For all to get back to normal lifestyle... it is time to open up.... test people who want to come if they like.... but there is no reason why WA should be locked down... none at all. It is clear for all to see... but perhaps not you.... that the only reason now why the WA borders are closed is not for the best interests of the WA citizens but only for the political gain of the WA Premier and for him to keep the extra power he has and does not want to give up. cheers Assertions and opinions are NOT facts and you provide no evidence to back your claims. On the other hand I post facts. The decision on the WA hard border will be made by the WA Chief Health Officer. Dr Andrew (Andy) Robertson is the WA Chief health Officer, he is NOT the Premier of WA. Mark McGowan is the Premier of WA, he is NOT the Chief Health Officer. Please limit your arguments to things you can support with evidence. (They'll be very short posts if the past is anything to go by). On 8/27/2020 at 8:13 PM, fygjam said: The WA hard border will only be removed when the WA Chief Health Officer is confident the spread of infection is controlled in the eastern states. On Friday night some arsehole flew into WA without an entry permit. He was to be returned to QLD where he came from but complained of chest pains. He was sent to hospital by ambulance and told to report to a quarantine hotel after any hospital treatment. He left the hospital and booked into a backpacker hostel. The he went down to a pub. (The pubs are open in WA because we don't have community transmission and we want to keep it that way). He was arrested at the pub because police were notified he hadn't booked into the prescribed accommodation. I hope the arsehole gets 6 months like the last quarantine evader. There will always be arseholes like that. Tell me what happened when a person from Victoria went to the Crossroads hotel in NSW. How many new infections did that cause? How many businesses had to shut down because of that? Why aren't people from NSW allowed to cross the border into QLD? Why aren't people from VIC allowed into NSW? There are some people, including the premiers of NSW and QLD (and/or their Chief Health Officers), who realise that if you mix infectious people with non-infected people you don't wipe out the disease you just get more infected people, more deaths, more lockdowns, more people back out of work, more time until the disease is brought under control. Keep the borders closed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, fygjam said: Assertions and opinions are NOT facts and you provide no evidence to back your claims. On the other hand I post facts. The decision on the WA hard border will be made by the WA Chief Health Officer. Dr Andrew (Andy) Robertson is the WA Chief health Officer, he is NOT the Premier of WA. Mark McGowan is the Premier of WA, he is NOT the Chief Health Officer. Please limit your arguments to things you can support with evidence. (They'll be very short posts if the past is anything to go by). On Friday night some arsehole flew into WA without an entry permit. He was to be returned to QLD where he came from but complained of chest pains. He was sent to hospital by ambulance and told to report to a quarantine hotel after any hospital treatment. He left the hospital and booked into a backpacker hostel. The he went down to a pub. (The pubs are open in WA because we don't have community transmission and we want to keep it that way). He was arrested at the pub because police were notified he hadn't booked into the prescribed accommodation. I hope the arsehole gets 6 months like the last quarantine evader. There will always be arseholes like that. Tell me what happened when a person from Victoria went to the Crossroads hotel in NSW. How many new infections did that cause? How many businesses had to shut down because of that? Why aren't people from NSW allowed to cross the border into QLD? Why aren't people from VIC allowed into NSW? There are some people, including the premiers of NSW and QLD (and/or their Chief Health Officers), who realise that if you mix infectious people with non-infected people you don't wipe out the disease you just get more infected people, more deaths, more lockdowns, more people back out of work, more time until the disease is brought under control. Keep the borders closed! I did give facts.... here they are. again. Fact.... there have been no cases for over 4 months in WA (YOU agreed on that fact)....... and on that information...the Warden has extended the current restrictions for a further 2 months which also coincides with the High Court case which is hearing then......Fact. The person who puts the restrictions in place are the Premiers of each state.....Fact The person who put the restrictions in place in WA and has just extended them by 2 more months is the WA Premier....Fact. The hotel in question is allowed to open as of today...Fact People went to get tested but are turned away by authorities as there was nothing to be worried about....Fact. WA has no reason not to open... but as can be seen by what is going on in WA is that the Warden is making decisions based not on what is best for the people.... but what is best for the political advantage/ career of one person.... himself....Fact. About lockdowns.... you have been in one for 4 months which has been extended by another two months for no reason at all and business and people are suffering mentally, physically and financially, businesses are going to the wall daily all because of the powerplay by one bloke who is more worried about a court case and the next election...Fact. cheers Edited August 30, 2020 by roobob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, roobob said: I did give facts.... here they are. again. Fact.... there have been no cases for over 4 months in WA (YOU agreed on that fact)....... and on that information...the Warden has extended the current restrictions for a further 2 months which also coincides with the High Court case which is hearing then......Fact. The person who puts the restrictions in place are the Premiers of each state.....Fact The person who put the restrictions in place in WA and has just extended them by 2 more months is the WA Premier....Fact. The police have said that there was no problem with the fellow.... he has been tested as negative...Fact. The hotel in question is allowed to open as of today...Fact People went to get tested but are turned away by authorities as there was nothing to be worried about....Fact. WA has no reason not to open... but as can be seen by what is going on in WA is that the Warden is making decisions based not on what is best for the people.... but what is best for the political advantage/ career of one person.... himself....Fact. About lockdowns.... you have been in one for 4 months which has been extended by another two months for no reason at all and business and people are suffering mentally, physically and financially, businesses are going to the wall daily all because of the powerplay by one bloke who who is more worried about a court case and the next election...Fact. cheers And did the arsehole know at the time he was negative? And what happened to the person who went to the Crossroads hotel in NSW. Give us the facts on that. Why are people from NSW no allowed into QLD. Give us the facts. Why are people from VIC not allowed into any other state. Give us the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 1 minute ago, fygjam said: And did the arsehole know at the time he was negative? And what happened to the person who went to the Crossroads hotel in NSW. Give us the facts on that. Why are people from NSW no allowed into QLD. Give us the facts. Why are people from VIC not allowed into any other state. Give us the facts. I gave you the facts..... if you want to check them it should be no problem for you as you are the google king on here...so fill your boots. I see you do not dispute any of the facts I gave you in my previous post...I wonder why that is....555 cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, roobob said: I gave you the facts..... if you want to check them it should be no problem for you as you are the google king on here...so fill your boots. I see you do not dispute any of the facts I gave you in my previous post...I wonder why that is....555 cheers A few more facts. Federal Court Judge Justice Darryl Rangiah said recently "The border restrictions have been effective to a very substantial extent to reduce the probability of COVID-19 being imported into Western Australia from interstate" He said that if an infected person entered the state, there would be "a high probability that the virus would be transmitted into the Western Australian population; and at least a moderate probability that there would be uncontrolled outbreaks." "If there were uncontrolled outbreaks in Western Australia, the consequences would include the risk of death and hospitalisation, particularly for vulnerable groups, such as elderly and Indigenous people. "In the worst-case scenario, the health consequences could be catastrophic." Why don't you want to answer the questions about the Crossroads hotel and the restriction of movements between the Eastern States. Facts don't agree with the barrow you're trying to push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, fygjam said: A few more facts. Federal Court Judge Justice Darryl Rangiah said recently "The border restrictions have been effective to a very substantial extent to reduce the probability of COVID-19 being imported into Western Australia from interstate" He said that if an infected person entered the state, there would be "a high probability that the virus would be transmitted into the Western Australian population; and at least a moderate probability that there would be uncontrolled outbreaks." "If there were uncontrolled outbreaks in Western Australia, the consequences would include the risk of death and hospitalisation, particularly for vulnerable groups, such as elderly and Indigenous people. "In the worst-case scenario, the health consequences could be catastrophic." Why don't you want to answer the questions about the Crossroads hotel and the restriction of movements between the Eastern States. Facts don't agree with the barrow you're trying to push. You keep cherry picking your quotes...555 Next you will be denying that there is no High Court case in October. I see you do not dispute any of the facts I gave you in my previous post...I wonder why that is....555 cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, roobob said: You keep cherry picking your quotes...555 Next you will be denying that there is no High Court case in October. I see you do not dispute any of the facts I gave you in my previous post...I wonder why that is....555 cheers I don't know when it's on. Provide the High Court calendar showing when the case will be heard. Still don't want to give the facts about the Crossroads hotel I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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