john1000 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 News has stated limiting to 100,000 passengers per day only. Add in pending rail strike.. Bit worried, as flying late on September 5th...😕 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freee!! Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Heathrow is late to that game, Schiphol has been limiting flights/number of passengers for some time now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krapow Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 September 5th the numbers departing will be much smaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butch Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) On 7/13/2022 at 12:49 PM, john1000 said: News has stated limiting to 100,000 passengers per day only. Add in pending rail strike.. Bit worried, as flying late on September 5th...😕 Don't sweat it. You're at the very end of the school summer hols, so from late August numbers outbound will begin to reduce somewhat. looking at the cancelled flights, it appears the big carriers who operate large numbers out of LHR are the ones cancelling, and the smaller carriers seem to be cancelling European flights. It's early days yet, so time for things to settle down, but they'll get worse before they get better. Also, with the current situation with the cost of living, some are also cancelling their holidays anyway. Keep an eye on your flight booking, and contact the Airline if you're concerned. Edited July 14, 2022 by Butch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painter Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Emirates aren't happy, and aren't complying with LHRs demands.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62163254 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob lt Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 The thing that annoys me most is that if the airline cancels your outbound flight or it is delayed with less than 2 weeks notice you can claim compensation from the airline. If the flight is cancelled because the airport limits flights, the airline is no longer responsible but just try and get compensation from the airport operators. They should be held responsible to a similar degree. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freee!! Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 45 minutes ago, bob lt said: The thing that annoys me most is that if the airline cancels your outbound flight or it is delayed with less than 2 weeks notice you can claim compensation from the airline. If the flight is cancelled because the airport limits flights, the airline is no longer responsible but just try and get compensation from the airport operators. They should be held responsible to a similar degree. Schiphol is discovering that liability, the airlines (and tour operators) are claiming it on behalf of their customers as it isn't force majeur (nor an act of god) but bad management by the airport. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 8 hours ago, Painter said: Emirates aren't happy, and aren't complying with LHRs demands.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62163254 Good on them for calling it for what it is, incompetence on the part of airport management for not having the human resources available to handle demand. In all my years of traveling I've never heard of an airport placing limits on the number of passengers. Limits on take offs and landings yes as that is an infrastructure limitation, but limits on the number of passengers; that's on airport mismanagement. Quote Airports and airlines, which cut jobs during the height of the coronavirus pandemic, have struggled to recruit staff as demand for international travel has returned. But Emirates said its ground handling and catering staff were "fully ready and capable" of handling its scheduled flights, claiming the "crux of the issue lies with the central services and systems which are the responsibility of the airport operator". "They are pushing the entire burden - of costs and the scramble to sort the mess - to airlines and travellers," its statement said. "All the signals of a strong travel rebound were there." 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob lt Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 On 7/14/2022 at 5:23 PM, Painter said: Emirates aren't happy, and aren't complying with LHRs demands.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62163254 All change. Emirates Airlines has agreed to cap sales of its flights out of Heathrow until mid-August, after the airport asked carriers to scale back capacity. The Dubai-based airline had previously rejected the airport's request for it to cut flight capacity at short notice. Heathrow delays: Emirates agrees to cap summer ticket sales - BBC News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 19 minutes ago, bob lt said: All change. Emirates Airlines has agreed to cap sales of its flights out of Heathrow until mid-August, after the airport asked carriers to scale back capacity. The Dubai-based airline had previously rejected the airport's request for it to cut flight capacity at short notice. Heathrow delays: Emirates agrees to cap summer ticket sales - BBC News Well, capping sales is one thing as long as it does not include capping existing flights that have already been sold to reduce passenger numbers 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizondave Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 32 minutes ago, Nightcrawler said: Well, capping sales is one thing as long as it does not include capping existing flights that have already been sold to reduce passenger numbers That's covered separately under another proposal being bandied around about letting flights take off with only about 80 percent capacity. Really don't see how that will work as you are trying to stop overcrowding and if people know they might get left behind they will all be queuing from about 4 am for most morning flights. The staff then have to deal with the ensuing anger and chaos. Crazy times. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freee!! Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Nightcrawler said: Well, capping sales is one thing as long as it does not include capping existing flights that have already been sold out to reduce passenger numbers FTFY 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homor Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 I’m flying in and out of heathrow on the 5th august on my way to Thailand. hiw will this effect me or is it only for new bookings ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 4 hours ago, Homor said: I’m flying in and out of heathrow on the 5th august on my way to Thailand. hiw will this effect me or is it only for new bookings ? From what I understand its just about new bookings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinoydave Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 On 7/14/2022 at 5:23 PM, Painter said: Emirates aren't happy, and aren't complying with LHRs demands.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62163254 Emirates subsidies it’s prices by the oil profits we are FORCED to pay because of their illegal cartel Emirates uses “slave” labour in the Middle East……. not surprising real airline businesses struggle to compete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWA Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 12 hours ago, Pinoydave said: Emirates subsidies it’s prices by the oil profits we are FORCED to pay because of their illegal cartel Emirates are from Dubai and don't have much in the way of oil. It's Abu Dhabi that has the oil in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homor Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 14 hours ago, Nightcrawler said: From what I understand its just about new bookings. I see aerlingus cancelled some flights to heathrow yesterday because of numbers 😮😮😮 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krapow Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62219559 Several airlines at Heathrow Airport could face disruption due to refuelling staff striking later this week. Workers employed by Aviation Fuel Services (AFS) will stage a three-day walkout from 05:00 BST on Thursday to 04:59 on Sunday in a row over pay. Airlines affected include Virgin, United, KLM, Emirates, and Air France. The strikes come as passengers have faced delays and cancellations in recent months, largely due to staff shortages in the aviation industry. The UK is about to enter the key summer holiday season as schools begin to break up and there are concerns travellers will be hit by further disruption and delays to journeys. Airports and airlines, which cut jobs during the height of the coronavirus pandemic, have struggled to recruit staff as demand for international travel has returned. It has led to Heathrow Airport demanding airlines stop selling summer tickets and placing a cap on passenger numbers per day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freee!! Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Krapow said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62219559 Several airlines at Heathrow Airport could face disruption due to refuelling staff striking later this week. Workers employed by Aviation Fuel Services (AFS) will stage a three-day walkout from 05:00 BST on Thursday to 04:59 on Sunday in a row over pay. Airlines affected include Virgin, United, KLM, Emirates, and Air France. This will inconvenience KLM and Air France only slightly, the distance is short enough they can take the fuel for the return trip with them on the flight to Heathrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizondave Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 5 hours ago, Freee!! said: This will inconvenience KLM and Air France only slightly, the distance is short enough they can take the fuel for the return trip with them on the flight to Heathrow. Yes I have already replied on another thread to this. This strike was set weeks ago and at the time it was mooted that most airlines will have contingency plans which will include using other refuellers or uplifting enough fuel for a return to base (mostly short haul). I am on Finnair and I believe they can uplift enough fuel to travel from Helsinki to London and back without the need to refuel at Heathrow. Not sure whether Finnair use AFS so may not be affected anyway. Long haul carriers will probably have to use another refueler as they will not have the option to upload enough fuel for return back to base. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freee!! Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 On 7/19/2022 at 11:31 PM, Horizondave said: Yes I have already replied on another thread to this. This strike was set weeks ago and at the time it was mooted that most airlines will have contingency plans which will include using other refuellers or uplifting enough fuel for a return to base (mostly short haul). I am on Finnair and I believe they can uplift enough fuel to travel from Helsinki to London and back without the need to refuel at Heathrow. Not sure whether Finnair use AFS so may not be affected anyway. Long haul carriers will probably have to use another refueler as they will not have the option to upload enough fuel for return back to base. Using other refuellers may be difficult, it may be seen as strike breaking, something unions don't appreciate to put it mildly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizondave Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Freee!! said: Using other refuellers may be difficult, it may be seen as strike breaking, something unions don't appreciate to put it mildly. Supposedly it was reported that most airlines would use other sources of fuel so don't think it was an issue. Edited July 21, 2022 by Horizondave 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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