Zeb Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 video on teaching navigation skills to captains of very large cargo vessels traversing narrow and congested waterways. Trainees drive 1:24 scale vessels with realistic performance characteristics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 Cars, sugar and cruises: How the Port of Baltimore closure could hurt the economy https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/26/business/baltimore-port-autos-cruises/index.html . . . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy dee Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Please dont turn this thread t a political one, thanks 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lantern Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 The speed of it hitting the water after the collision surprised me. Just a few seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 3 hours ago, Lantern said: The speed of it hitting the water after the collision surprised me. Just a few seconds. A truss bridge design is a careful balance of compression and tension on the trusses. Take out a key part of the bridge, like happened in the collision, and the whole thing will come crashing down like a house of cards in seconds. https://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Truss_bridge 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Cleanup operations have started on clearing the channel. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasseye Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 5 hours ago, forcebwithu said: Cleanup operations have started on clearing the channel. El Capitano will have a bit of splaining to do. I'd hate to be in his shoes right now. They are probably full of doo doo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeb Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 19 minutes ago, Glasseye said: El Capitano will have a bit of splaining to do. I'd hate to be in his shoes right now. They are probably full of doo doo. Yes. As Captain he will. But if its power failure as has been suggested, what could he do ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freee!! Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 hour ago, Zeb said: Yes. As Captain he will. But if its power failure as has been suggested, what could he do ? The pilot will have to do at least as much explaining, unless it is a power failure, which the captain may have to explain as the person responsible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazle Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 hour ago, Freee!! said: The pilot will have to do at least as much explaining, unless it is a power failure, which the captain may have to explain as the person responsible. Maybe it was a terrorist cyber attack. No explanation by the captain required then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 I am by far, no Maritime expert, but I am wondering why the tugboats make such limited journeys to steer large vessels out of the port to sea? Had they remained steering the vessel under the bridge, then even after ship's mechanical/electrical failure, a crash could have been avoided. No doubt, when after the coming months of clean up and salvage, H&S rules will be tightened up considerably. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freee!! Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 4 minutes ago, Nightcrawler said: I am by far, no Maritime expert, but I am wondering why the tugboats make such limited journeys to steer large vessels out of the port to sea? Had they remained steering the vessel under the bridge, then even after ship's mechanical/electrical failure, a crash could have been avoided. No doubt, when after the coming months of clean up and salvage, H&S rules will be tightened up considerably. The answer to that question is money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Just now, Freee!! said: The answer to that question is money. Yes, I guess the tugs add a big expenditure to the freight costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 While we still have the luxury of speculation, the following video makes some interesting points. The video is painful to watch, you'll see why if you do, so I'll summarize the mail points. Ships do have an emergency/auxiliary generator located in a separate compartment isolated from the engine room. Why? Because it powers the engine room fire fighting pumps. It also supplies electrical power for steering. The propeller of a ship turns in a clockwise direction when viewed from the rear of the ship looking forward. As well as driving the ship forward there is a "paddle wheel" effect which pulls the stern to starboard and thus the bow to port. When the ship is going astern the effect is reversed, the stern is pulled to port and the bow to starboard. In the video of the incident, second video, approximately 4 seconds after electrical power is restored following the first power outage thick black smoke is seen coming from the exhaust. Speculation from the first video is that the ship was put into full reverse which would swing the bow to starboard which is what videos of the incident show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEzDh4RwpaM (This video can't be embedded) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChiFlyer Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 3/28/2024 at 1:46 PM, tommy dee said: Please dont turn this thread t a political one, thanks Hi Tommy, I will be a good soldier and not politicize this thread. On the other hand, this is becoming a highly politicized topic. I will likely open a separate thread (or add to an existing one) over in US Politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWA Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 3/27/2024 at 7:21 AM, Glasseye said: The insurance companies will go belly up. Both the port and the ship were insured and the boss of Lloyds reckons about US$3b in payouts, but seems quite nonchalant about it. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68688856 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freee!! Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 6 hours ago, East is West said: What nationality was the pilot ? Unless there are very strange exemptions in place, the pilot most likely still has the USA nationality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freee!! Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 8 minutes ago, East is West said: Surprised was not stated , I heard something different whether true no idea. As far as I know, the rule world wide is that pilots have the nationality of the waterway (singular!) they navigate. The only exception to this rule I know off is in case of a shared waterway on the border. On the Westerschelde (Netherlands), there are also Belgian pilots for the Belgian ports of Antwerp and Ghent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Interesting interview that highlights how long it takes to become a maritime pilot and how well trained they are. I’ve captained ships into tight ports like Baltimore, and this is how captains like me work with harbor pilots to avoid deadly collisions Can you describe the training of a ship pilot? Post: Most of them start out at a maritime academy and have to spend many years at sea in command or as a bridge watch-stander on a vessel. From there, they start into the pilot apprentice program that each one of the pilot associations has, and those programs last years. What they do in those programs is use simulators and real, actual hands-on training, so that they can see how the different ships maneuver, how different places along the route have different currents and tides, and how the channels affect the ships. It’s not something that you can go to a sea school for three weeks to learn and then come out and be a pilot. It’s many years long. They’re really the surgeons of the sea. So when a ship’s pilot shows up, they’re going to be someone with a minimum of how many years training before they even get onto your ship? Post: Many have 10-plus years before they are allowed to work on their own. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambo Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 20 minutes ago, Freee!! said: As far as I know, the rule world wide is that pilots have the nationality of the waterway (singular!) they navigate. The only exception to this rule I know off is in case of a shared waterway on the border. On the Westerschelde (Netherlands), there are also Belgian pilots for the Belgian ports of Antwerp and Ghent. I don't think they would have to be US citizens (could we wrong but in Singapore they wouldn't have to be Singaporean) but they would have to be work permit holders and have the required length of experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freee!! Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 3 minutes ago, forcebwithu said: Many have 10-plus years before they are allowed to work on their own. That is 10-plus years as apprentice pilot, so add another 10-plus years prior to that on the bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freee!! Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Just now, Zambo said: I don't think they would have to be US citizens (could we wrong but in Singapore they wouldn't have to be Singaporean) but they would have to be work permit holders and have the required length of experience. Singapore might be an exception due to lack of sufficient qualified nationals for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambo Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Just now, Freee!! said: Singapore might be an exception due to lack of sufficient qualified nationals for the job. Yes i think that's likely, about 35% of the workforce in Singapore is foreigners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 Crews at Site of Bridge Collapse Work on Removing First Piece of Debris The governor of Maryland said that the search for missing victims would resume when the conditions for divers improve. Free link: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/30/us/bridge-collapse-crew-debris.html?unlocked_article_code=1.g00.HKvC.xDqg-PMabTMe&smid=url-share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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