COVID 19 GLOBAL

[lazarus]

15 hours ago, Bazle said:

That is what they said originally, but I haven't heard of anyone actually getting a Moderna booster.

Probably limited to the the US at this time...

CDC Expands Eligibility for COVID-19 Booster Shots

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p1021-covid-booster.html

Today, CDC Director Rochelle P. Walensky, M.D., M.P.H., endorsed the CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices’ (ACIP) recommendation for a booster shot of COVID-19 vaccines in certain populations. The Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) authorizationexternal icon and CDC’s recommendation for use are important steps forward as we work to stay ahead of the virus and keep Americans safe.

For individuals who received a Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna COVID-19 vaccine, the following groups are eligible for a booster shot at 6 months or more after their initial series:

65 years and older
Age 18+ who live in long-term care settings
Age 18+ who have underlying medical conditions
Age 18+ who work or live in high-risk settings
For the nearly 15 million people who got the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine, booster shots are also recommended for those who are 18 and older and who were vaccinated two or more months ago.

There are now booster recommendations for all three available COVID-19 vaccines in the United States. Eligible individuals may choose which vaccine they receive as a booster dose. Some people may have a preference for the vaccine type that they originally received, and others may prefer to get a different booster. CDC’s recommendations now allow for this type of mix and match dosing for booster shots...

Edited October 28, 2021 by lazarus

[Glasseye]

Makes my blood boil !

 

 

[fforest]

[Yessongs]

23 hours ago, lazarus said:

Better to use it than lose it...

Glad your Mrs. is one of the lucky ones.

Kids are next. It will definitely make my life less stressful once my daughter is vaccinated.

. . .

5 Lingering Questions About COVID Vaccines for Kids
With FDA authorization for a kid-size COVID vaccine pending, a pediatrician and infectious-disease expert weighs in on what’s next.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/10/kids-vaccines-q-and-a/620497/

I am sure I do not have to tell you Matt, especially in good ol' LIberal Calif, and especially here where we live, parents are going "bonkers" about letting their kids get vaccinated for the 5-11 year old groups. I say this because coming home from the gym Sun afternoon, there were a bunch of parents on Camden Ave ( big street here) with signs saying "Stop the Insanity" " Do not let your kids get vaccinated, Gov't does not control our kids"  and one said" This Vaccine will harm your children long term" 

It is with sad regret that I have to tell you this, this was once a great state to live in, love it here really but.....there are far too many fucking idiots here now. 

[andyajn]

3 minutes ago, Yessongs said:

I am sure I do not have to tell you Matt, especially in good ol' LIberal Calif, and especially here where we live, parents are going "bonkers" about letting their kids get vaccinated for the 5-11 year old groups. I say this because coming home from the gym Sun afternoon, there were a bunch of parents on Camden Ave ( big street here) with signs saying "Stop the Insanity" " Do not let your kids get vaccinated, Gov't does not control our kids"  and one said" This Vaccine will harm your children long term" 

It is with sad regret that I have to tell you this, this was once a great state to live in, love it here really but.....there are far too many fucking idiots here now. 

I can assure you it's not just there. Sadly the idiots are everywhere.

[Yessongs]

2 minutes ago, andyajn said:

I can assure you it's not just there. Sadly the idiots are everywhere.

Yeah, I have heard for sure I am not alone. As "old timers" it is sad to see our countries just go to shit isn't it? 

[roobob]

1 hour ago, Yessongs said:

I am sure I do not have to tell you Matt, especially in good ol' LIberal Calif, and especially here where we live, parents are going "bonkers" about letting their kids get vaccinated for the 5-11 year old groups. I say this because coming home from the gym Sun afternoon, there were a bunch of parents on Camden Ave ( big street here) with signs saying "Stop the Insanity" " Do not let your kids get vaccinated, Gov't does not control our kids"  and one said" This Vaccine will harm your children long term" 

It is with sad regret that I have to tell you this, this was once a great state to live in, love it here really but.....there are far too many fucking idiots here now. 

Mate I have always respected your opinion but parents should have a say of what medication is given to their children.... not politicians/ public service people.  By all means take advice from their medical person, As to the signs... I understand with some of them...Govts are there to represent the people ...they are not there to rule the people...that has been gone missing with a fair few Govts.

To the last sign you stated.... has any Govt given a guarantee that there will be no harm to children long time??? Blokes like you and me.. and most others on this board... unlike children who are going up the hill of life...we are coming down the other side.... so I reckon the parents of those children have a point and deserve to express their opinion ..even if others disagree with it

cheers

 

Edited October 28, 2021 by roobob

[lazarus]

^ Obstinate ignorance does not make it right.

Step up to the plate and get your freakin' shots to help end the pandemic - kids 5-11yo included.

[fforest]

 

[fforest]

 

 

[fforest]

So does this mean anyone who has not had 4 jabs is a anti-vaxer ?....

[Zeb]

 

Excellent research on US cases by the CDC, including prevalence of breakthrough infection by various demographics and vaccine type.

Strong support for boosters in older age groups, and for vaccination in general.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/10/28/us/covid-breakthrough-cases.html

Edited October 29, 2021 by Zeb

[KWA]

The UK yesterday joined the list of countries with "Third Country EU Digital Covid Certificate Equivalence".  What that mouthful means is that all UK issued Covid passes should now work in the EU and other countries on the list.

[lazarus]

From  the president of the American Academy of Pediatrics.

Yes, You’ll Want to Vaccinate Your Kids Against Covid. An Expert Explains Why.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/26/opinion/covid-vaccine-kids.html

Vaccines to protect young children from Covid-19 are likely soon on their way. The Food and Drug Administration has authorized the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine for emergency use in children ages 5 to 11. If the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention signs off, vaccinations could begin next week.

Why do we need to vaccinate young children against Covid-19? It’s an understandable question. While many parents have anxiously awaited the opportunity to get their children vaccinated, others are hesitant. There are questions about side effects, as with any drug, especially considering the lower risk of severe disease for children with Covid-19 compared with that of adults.

But just because Covid-19 is sickening and killing fewer children than adults does not mean that children are or have been free from risk.

In the United States, more than six million children have been infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, and more than 23,500 were hospitalized from it. Over 600 children ages 18 and under have died from the disease, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

That’s in large part because the coronavirus has spread so widely in the United States. Vaccine uptake among American adults has been lower than desired; combined with the highly contagious Delta variant and a decrease in mitigation measures like mask wearing in many parts of the country, it has taken a toll.

Some experts even suggest that the pandemic may not end without a child vaccine campaign: Vaccinating children will help slow the spread of the disease to the unvaccinated and to more at-risk adults, reducing its toll on everyone.

There is simply not an acceptable number of child deaths when such effective and safe preventive treatments are available. So, for the same reason pediatricians recommend seatbelts and car seats, the American Academy of Pediatrics is recommending vaccines for Covid-19.

Parents should feel assured that the authorized Pfizer vaccine is extremely effective and side effects are rare. The question I am most often asked is about the risk of myocarditis after the vaccine. Myocarditis is an inflammation of the muscle of the heart which can occur from many different causes and can range in severity. It occurs very rarely after getting an mRNA Covid-19 vaccine (like the ones made by Moderna and Pfizer) and is more common after the second shot and in young men.

When I chose to vaccinate my teenage son, there were two things that were important to my decision-making. First, the risk of developing myocarditis after a Covid-19 infection is much higher than the risk of developing myocarditis after the vaccine. Second, almost all the cases of myocarditis after the vaccine are mild, and people generally get better quickly. Vaccinating my children was an easy choice knowing that the risk of Covid-19 to children is far greater than the risk of the vaccines.

The expanded availability of vaccines should bring peace of mind to many families of elementary-school-age students that their children are safer in classrooms and activities outside of school, and that they are doing their part to expedite a full return to routines and activities.

Studies show that layers of protection — including improving ventilation and wearing masks — have effectively stopped or slowed the Covid-19 virus from spreading in camps and schools that consistently enforced these measures. While these continue to be important precautions to help keep young children safe, vaccination is the most effective layer there is, and the sooner it can be safely available to all children, the better.

The pandemic has also deepened an existing mental health crisis among young people. Over 140,000 American children have lost a caregiver to Covid-19. Pediatricians across the United States have seen a rise in young patients with eating disorders, depression and suicidal thoughts. That’s why the American Academy of Pediatrics and other children’s groups recently declared a national state of emergency for children’s mental health. Educational gaps are also widening, with reports suggesting American students are behind in math and reading. These consequences are all magnified for low-income families and families of color.

While no response to Covid-19 has been perfect, other countries tried to prioritize schools in ways the United States largely did not, and put in place precautions that would allow children to be safer, like masks and testing.

More than 18 months later, the United States still lags in adult immunization rates and access to rapid at-home tests compared with many other countries — both of which can support a safer return to school and activities. But the Covid-19 vaccine offers a tangible opportunity for children to return to a more normal daily life.

Parents and other family members can also protect their children by getting vaccinated themselves. If you haven’t gotten a vaccine yet, please do so as soon as you can.

The impact of the pandemic on this generation, I fear, will be deep and long lasting unless policymakers act now and invest in children and families. Even though a Covid-19 vaccine is coming for young children, there’s still work to do. Some children will need more intensive help to overcome the challenges they encountered during the pandemic. Communities and schools that have been historically underresourced will need even greater investment.

Children are resilient, but they need stability, hope and confidence in the adults who care for them. While the brutal toll of the pandemic will reverberate for years to come, let’s make the choice to finally put children first.

[fforest]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-28/getting-vaccinated-doesn-t-stop-people-from-spreading-delta?utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

 

People inoculated against Covid are just as likely to spread the delta variant to people in their household as the unvaccinated...

Edited October 30, 2021 by fforest

[fygjam]

53 minutes ago, fforest said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-28/getting-vaccinated-doesn-t-stop-people-from-spreading-delta?utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

 

People inoculated against Covid are just as likely to spread the delta variant of the to people in their household as the unvaccinated...

Also

 

Those who were inoculated cleared the virus more quickly and had milder cases, while unvaccinated household members were more likely to suffer from severe disease and hospitalization.

[Glasseye]

On 10/28/2021 at 11:50 AM, Yessongs said:

Yeah, I have heard for sure I am not alone. As "old timers" it is sad to see our countries just go to shit isn't it? 

 

I realized quite a few years ago that things were not looking very good. I think my job gave me some insight and perspectives (I think that is both good and bad) that most people didn't. I didn't give up hope but each day more of that was sapped out of me. Lately I just came to the conclusion that things are beyond repair, sadly.

When you see or hear about things like a passenger on an airplane punching out the flight attendant, parents going completely ape shit at school board meetings (and calling in death threats to school board members), and then the icing on the cake is mass shootings on almost a weekly basis..... This place is fucking toast.

[roobob]

14 hours ago, fygjam said:

Also

 

Those who were inoculated cleared the virus more quickly and had milder cases, while unvaccinated household members were more likely to suffer from severe disease and hospitalization.

Err.... @fforestpoint was that vaccinated people can also spread the delta variant as well as the unvaccinated.

cheers 

[Starshine]

5 hours ago, roobob said:

Err.... @fforestpoint was that vaccinated people can also spread the delta variant as well as the unvaccinated.

cheers 

Well he better get vaccinated to protect himself then.

[fforest]

[fygjam]

^^^

ff is becoming quite the vaccination campaigner.

 

[fygjam]

7 hours ago, roobob said:

Err.... @fforestpoint was that vaccinated people can also spread the delta variant as well as the unvaccinated.

cheers 

And my point, in case you missed it, was it don't matter a fuk who gives it to ya, if you're unvaccinated it's gonna be a lot worse for ya.

 

[roobob]

40 minutes ago, fygjam said:

And my point, in case you missed it, was it don't matter a fuk who gives it to ya, if you're unvaccinated it's gonna be a lot worse for ya.

 

Not entirely true...... many people have had the virus and have recovered..... just look at what happened before vaccines were available. 

Since vaccines...both vaccinated and unvaccinated have got the virus...some of both have passed away..... most have recovered fully ..and some of both have ongoing issues.

cheers

[roobob]

3 hours ago, Starshine said:

Well he better get vaccinated to protect himself then.

Why?? If he does not want to there really is no need to.

cheers

[lazarus]

6 minutes ago, roobob said:

Not entirely true...... many people have had the virus and have recovered..... just look at what happened before vaccines were available. 

Since vaccines...both vaccinated and unvaccinated have got the virus...some of both have passed away..... most have recovered fully ..and some of both have ongoing issues.

cheers

 

5 minutes ago, roobob said:

Why?? If he does not want to there really is no need to.

cheers

Seems somebody is playing slight of hand with facts and reality...

Could it be roobarb..?

. . .

Vaccinated Have 1 in 13,000 Chance of Breakthrough Case Needing Hospitalization

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-09-10/vaccinated-have-1-in-13-000-chance-of-breakthrough-case-needing-hospitalization

Overall, the latest data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that as of Aug. 30, there have been 12,908 cases of COVID-19 resulting in hospitalization or death among vaccinated Americans, CNN reported.

Considering that more than 173 million Americans had been vaccinated by Aug. 30, that works out to a one in 13,000 chance of a vaccinated person getting a case so severe that hospitalization is required, the news agency said.

Compare that to unvaccinated adults, whose risk of needing hospital care if they contract the new coronavirus is now 17 times that of their vaccinated peers, according to one study published last week in the online preprint journal medRxiv, which has not yet undergone peer review.

Fully vaccinated people now make up only 4% of cases of people hospitalized with COVID-19, CNN reported. Among these rare cases of vaccinated people getting a breakthrough illness that requires hospitalization, 70% occurred among adults aged 65 and older. For breakthrough cases resulting in death, 87% of patients were 65 or older...