Kathmandu Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 What's the deal with the shit tests that Boris bought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the terrible Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, dcfc2007 said: Can you provide any evidence to your claim that hundreds of thousands deaths would occur if the elderly and vulnerable were cocooned at home and the rest of society was allowed to continue with the appropriate safety precautions in place. Absolutely outrageous claim with no solid evidence for proof whatsoever. The Imperial College data said that would likely happen if the then minor restrictions were maintained ,that is WHY we went into lockdown We are already at 20,000UK deaths if you just include care homes in the official figures ,thats in 6 weeks approx and we have still to see the daily deaths from those infected 2 weeks ago .The curve seems to have a "long tail too and potential for further waves if restrictions are relaxed then tightened again Of course no one knows the total number of deaths for sure but medical science can beat this little fucker ...we need to buy them the time and prevent as many deaths as we can in the interval,use this time to :- 1 develop a good treatment ?remdesivir 2 public heath mitigation eg UVc 3 A vaccine that works --Oxford mob are planning for a million vaccines by September...but we dont know whether it works yet 4Hope the virus mutates into a less virulent form over time ...quite possible Edited April 18, 2020 by Ivan the terrible 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpuynarak Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 10 hours ago, Horizondave said: then again I have never picked anything but strawberries and that was back breaking rather than skilled. and that was also my experience..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) .... Edited February 11, 2021 by fforest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/ 17 April 2020 Data Sources: WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC, DXY, JHU, RCP | Population: World Bank | Seasonal Flu 1: CDC/WHO 2017 Estimates Edited April 18, 2020 by lazarus 17 April 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, fforest said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLI3yx-6egk video will not embed.... Ok here is a video....This is not a long video.....If anybody can watch this video and show me what he says is wrong in regard to Covid-19 statistics this would be great.... This video does not provide rock solid evidence the Covid-19 statistics are wrong...But in my opinion it provides a very strong evidence that Covid statistics are easily changed and manipulated.... Also ignore the rest of the video after 3.55......The rest of the video is pure speculation and conspiracy theory........Sorry I cant cut this part out.....But the first part of the video is very good.... Jake the Asshole, a reliable source if ever there was one. One can go to his Youtube channel and find earlier videos, before SARS-Cov-2 kicked off. Jake is open minded as to whether the earth is flat or spherical. He hasn't been convinced either way yet. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, fygjam said: Jake the Asshole, a reliable source if ever there was one. One can go to his Youtube channel and find earlier videos, before SARS-Cov-2 kicked off. Jake is open minded as to whether the earth is flat or spherical. He hasn't been convinced either way yet. His name is not important......He is talking about the CDCs own guidance on Covid which is the guidance that every country in the world is using to determine Coved-19 infections..... Edited April 18, 2020 by fforest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, fforest said: His name is not important......He is talking about the CDCs own guidance on Covid which is the guidance that every country in the world is using to determine Coved-19 infections..... Reaally? Source please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 From the US... Anti-body tests are beginning to show the extent the C-virus has spread in the community. A study conducted near Silicon Valley brought forth new information.Coronavirus infections could be much more widespread than believed, California study suggests "One key takeaway from the preliminary Santa Clara County results is that a large number of people who are infected with the coronavirus never show any symptoms, said a UCLA epidemiologist. The fact that infected people could unknowingly be contagious means that some level of physical distancing needs to remain in place..." https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-17/coronavirus-antibodies-study-santa-clara-county?utm_source=sfmc_100035609&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Coronavirus+Today+-+Osys+Campaign++%2322895-1587178196385&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.latimes.com%2fcalifornia%2fstory%2f2020-04-17%2fcoronavirus-antibodies-study-santa-clara-county&utm_id=4687&sfmc_id=853260 Some folks are not happy about "shelter in place" orders. ‘Live Free or Die’: Protesters march against California stay-at-home rules in Huntington Beach https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-17/protesters-california-stay-at-home-coronavirus?utm_source=sfmc_100035609&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Coronavirus+Today+-+Osys+Campaign++%2322895-1587178196385&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.latimes.com%2fcalifornia%2fstory%2f2020-04-17%2fprotesters-california-stay-at-home-coronavirus&utm_id=4687&sfmc_id=853260 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) On 4/18/2020 at 11:45 AM, fygjam said: Reaally? Source please! ..... Edited February 11, 2021 by fforest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 7 hours ago, alias said: https://www.yahoo.com/news/costliest-government-coverup-time-growing-120056563.html U.S. intelligence has “increasing confidence” that the novel Wuhan coronavirus outbreak began in a lab that was researching bat-coronaviruses, contrary to China’s claim that the pandemic emerged from a Wuhan wet market, according to multiple sources that briefed Fox News. The sources told Fox News that the initial transmission of the virus looks to be bat-to-human, and that “patient zero” contracted the disease while working at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, before going into the general population. While the lab is China’s first to achieve the highest level of international bio-research safety, known as BSL-4, its work with bats had been conducted at the lower protection level of BSL-2. Senator Tom Cotton (R., Ark.) first warned that the origins of the coronavirus were unknown, citing a Chinese study which found that the first documented coronavirus case in Wuhan had no connection to the market, but was vilified by U.S. media outlets for suggesting the virus could have come from the lab. Democrats have been largely dismissive of claims of Chinese duplicity, instead focusing criticism on the Trump administration’s response. “The reason that we are in the crisis that we are today is not because of anything that China did, not because of anything the WHO did, it’s because of what this president did,” Senator Chris Murphy (D., Conn.) said Tuesday. On 4/17/2020 at 9:54 AM, fygjam said: Bat soup flu might be off the menu. Two years before the novel coronavirus pandemic upended the world, U.S. Embassy officials visited a Chinese research facility in the city of Wuhan several times and sent two official warnings back to Washington about inadequate safety at the lab, which was conducting risky studies on coronaviruses from bats. The cables have fueled discussions inside the U.S. government about whether this or another Wuhan lab was the source of the virus — even though conclusive proof has yet to emerge. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/ Officials in the country pointed to a wet market as the supposed ground zero of the outbreak — but sources told Fox the market never sold bats. It was likely to deflect blame from the laboratories in Wuhan, sources told Fox. Hey Alias, you missed important bits like what happened to the cables the Beijing embassy sent back to Washington raising concerns about the safety at the Wuhan lab or that their (the lab's) work was partly being assisted by US organisations. In January 2018, the U.S. Embassy in Beijing took the unusual step of repeatedly sending U.S. science diplomats to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), which had in 2015 become China’s first laboratory to achieve the highest level of international bioresearch safety (known as BSL-4). WIV issued a news release in English about the last of these visits, which occurred on March 27, 2018. The U.S. delegation was led by Jamison Fouss, the consul general in Wuhan, and Rick Switzer, the embassy’s counselor of environment, science, technology and health. Last week, WIV erased that statement from its website, though it remains archived on the Internet. What the U.S. officials learned during their visits concerned them so much that they dispatched two diplomatic cables categorized as Sensitive But Unclassified back to Washington. The cables warned about safety and management weaknesses at the WIV lab and proposed more attention and help. The first cable, which I obtained, also warns that the lab’s work on bat coronaviruses and their potential human transmission represented a risk of a new SARS-like pandemic. “During interactions with scientists at the WIV laboratory, they noted the new lab has a serious shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators needed to safely operate this high-containment laboratory,” states the Jan. 19, 2018, cable, which was drafted by two officials from the embassy’s environment, science and health sections who met with the WIV scientists. (The State Department declined to comment on this and other details of the story.) The Chinese researchers at WIV were receiving assistance from the Galveston National Laboratory at the University of Texas Medical Branch and other U.S. organizations, but the Chinese requested additional help. The cables argued that the United States should give the Wuhan lab further support, mainly because its research on bat coronaviruses was important but also dangerous. As the cable noted, the U.S. visitors met with Shi Zhengli, the head of the research project, who had been publishing studies related to bat coronaviruses for many years. In November 2017, just before the U.S. officials’ visit, Shi’s team had published research showing that horseshoe bats they had collected from a cave in Yunnan province were very likely from the same bat population that spawned the SARS coronavirus in 2003. “Most importantly,” the cable states, “the researchers also showed that various SARS-like coronaviruses can interact with ACE2, the human receptor identified for SARS-coronavirus. This finding strongly suggests that SARS-like coronaviruses from bats can be transmitted to humans to cause SARS-like diseases. From a public health perspective, this makes the continued surveillance of SARS-like coronaviruses in bats and study of the animal-human interface critical to future emerging coronavirus outbreak prediction and prevention.” The research was designed to prevent the next SARS-like pandemic by anticipating how it might emerge. But even in 2015, other scientists questioned whether Shi’s team was taking unnecessary risks. In October 2014, the U.S. government had imposed a moratorium on funding of any research that makes a virus more deadly or contagious, known as “gain-of-function” experiments. As many have pointed out, there is no evidence that the virus now plaguing the world was engineered; scientists largely agree it came from animals. But that is not the same as saying it didn’t come from the lab, which spent years testing bat coronaviruses in animals, said Xiao Qiang, a research scientist at the School of Information at the University of California at Berkeley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, fforest said: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf 2nd page.......5th paragraph on the left..... I was referring to your claim every country in the world is using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) On 4/18/2020 at 12:05 PM, fygjam said: I was referring to your claim every country in the world is using. ..... Edited February 11, 2021 by fforest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code_slayer_bkk Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 49 minutes ago, lazarus said: From the US... Anti-body tests are beginning to show the extent the C-virus has spread in the community. A study conducted near Silicon Valley brought forth new information.Coronavirus infections could be much more widespread than believed, California study suggests "One key takeaway from the preliminary Santa Clara County results is that a large number of people who are infected with the coronavirus never show any symptoms, said a UCLA epidemiologist. The fact that infected people could unknowingly be contagious means that some level of physical distancing needs to remain in place..." https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-17/coronavirus-antibodies-study-santa-clara-county?utm_source=sfmc_100035609&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Coronavirus+Today+-+Osys+Campaign++%2322895-1587178196385&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.latimes.com%2fcalifornia%2fstory%2f2020-04-17%2fcoronavirus-antibodies-study-santa-clara-county&utm_id=4687&sfmc_id=853260 Some folks are not happy about "shelter in place" orders. ‘Live Free or Die’: Protesters march against California stay-at-home rules in Huntington Beach https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-17/protesters-california-stay-at-home-coronavirus?utm_source=sfmc_100035609&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Coronavirus+Today+-+Osys+Campaign++%2322895-1587178196385&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.latimes.com%2fcalifornia%2fstory%2f2020-04-17%2fprotesters-california-stay-at-home-coronavirus&utm_id=4687&sfmc_id=853260 I find it ironic that Gov. of California is going to give illegal aliens $500 bucks to assists them .... the California government can find them to deliver tax payer money to but can't find them to deport them .. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 27 minutes ago, fforest said: The CDC works with other organizations around the world to address global health challenges and contain disease threats at their source. It works closely with many international organizations such as the World Health Organization (WHO) The CDC is integral in working with the WHO to implement the International Health Regulations (IHR), a legally binding agreement between 196 countries to prevent, control, and report on the international spread of disease, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_and_Prevention#Leadership So no source then for your claim that every country in the world is using U.S. Department of Health and Human Services • Centers for Disease Control and Prevention • National Center for Health Statistics • National Vital Statistics System Vital Statistics Reporting Guidance Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due to Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID–19) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, code_slayer_bkk said: I find it ironic that Gov. of California is going to give illegal aliens $500 bucks to assists them .... the California government can find them to deliver tax payer money to but can't find them to deport them .. No reason to deport them as they are needed, especially right now. The food harvesting & distribution network in the US (& globally) is at high risk due to COVID-19. California is one of the top agricultural producers in the world & the top one in the US. read: https://fortune.com/2020/03/18/food-harvests-risk-coronavirus-travel-bans-migrant-labor/ https://civileats.com/2020/04/15/food-distribution-101-what-happens-when-the-food-supply-is-disrupted-by-a-pandemic/ https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/04/farmworkers-risk-coronavirus-infection-keep-us-fed/ https://aghires.com/california-largest-food-producer-u-s/ Edited April 18, 2020 by lazarus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 1 hour ago, lazarus said: From the US... Anti-body tests are beginning to show the extent the C-virus has spread in the community. A study conducted near Silicon Valley brought forth new information.Coronavirus infections could be much more widespread than believed, California study suggests "One key takeaway from the preliminary Santa Clara County results is that a large number of people who are infected with the coronavirus never show any symptoms, said a UCLA epidemiologist. The fact that infected people could unknowingly be contagious means that some level of physical distancing needs to remain in place..." ... I wonder how many people they say didn't show any symptoms in fact had symptoms, but they were so mild they attributed their illness to nothing more than a cold or mild case of the flu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, forcebwithu said: I wonder how many people they say didn't show any symptoms in fact had symptoms, but they were so mild they attributed their illness to nothing more than a cold or mild case of the flu. There will be more of these anti-body studies in the very near future. Understanding the virus transmission potential, possible immunity after infection, and potential "herd immunity" are all part of the equation to end the pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondropkid Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 1 hour ago, fforest said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLI3yx-6egk video will not embed.... Ok here is a video....This is not a long video.....If anybody can watch this video and show me what he says is wrong in regard to Covid-19 statistics this would be great.... This video does not provide rock solid evidence the Covid-19 statistics are wrong...But in my opinion it provides a very strong evidence that Covid statistics are easily changed and manipulated.... Also ignore the rest of the video after 3.55......The rest of the video is pure speculation and conspiracy theory........Sorry I cant cut this part out.....But the first part of the video is very good.... Absolutely brilliant😀. Fair play to you for putting up the links you follow. "Jake the Asshole" sounds remarkably like "the bloke down the pub". We'd ignore him in real life, incredible the way YouTube makes these guys into very minor celebreties Love his in depth first hand research from his wealth of medical knowledge His pre-COVID 19 crisis video on the Rothschilds and the Banking system tells you everything you need to know about the man. A semi in the closet vile anti-semite, almost certainly a holocaust denier. Was chatting to a family member of Whatsapp last night- they are an intensive care nurse (so someone who exist in the real world). They are being accommodated very generously in a fancy US chain hotel across from the hospital- they don't want the nurses on the tube and have them bring an infection onto an intensive care ward. Strange she didn't mention causes of death being falsified- when X, number of people normally die in on your ward normally and suddenly it becomes 3X or 4X-, and they are all dying the same way, the cause becomes pretty f***** obvious (many will have been tested) Utter nonsense man 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, lazarus said: There will be more of these anti-body studies in the very near future. Understanding the virus transmission potential, possible immunity after infection, and potential "herd immunity" are all part of the equation to end the pandemic. Until the CDC changes their guidelines on what can be called a Covid-19 infection as talked about in the video in post 2054.....This Covid-19 could go on forever.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondropkid Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 8 hours ago, Stillearly said: Opening Gyms in Phase one seems very strange ... Yes wouldn't be one I'd go for, but admire the way Trump/the US has published a plan for what the exit process will look like. Would like us in the UK to be doing that- not saying we should be told when it will happen but at least have information and debate over what should be allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, forcebwithu said: I wonder how many people they say didn't show any symptoms in fact had symptoms, but they were so mild they attributed their illness to nothing more than a cold or mild case of the flu. Like the currently ongoing case in New South Wales where the aged care worker had mild symptoms (not revealed), went to work for 6 days and has at least 20 new infections to her credit, both residents of the aged care facility and co-workers. A podcast with one of my more reliable sources for information where he interviews Christian Drosten, Director of the Institute of Virology, Charité Virology, Berlin, Germany. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pw_O9jsJxk Drosten, who investigated the first outbreak of Covid-19 in Munich, says there are no such people as asymptomatic, only mildly symptomatic. Worth a listen if you have the time and who hasn't. While talking about Vincent Racaniello's podcasts, here's another worth listening to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj4bWcbNO5k Stanley Perlman joins TWiV to discuss immune responses to coronaviruses, including seasonal CoV, MERS, SARS, and SARS-CoV-2, including prospects for a vaccine. Perlman did work on vaccines including SARS, discontinued - the outbreak was contained and nobody was going to fund the research, and MERS, only a few cases each year and nobody is going to fund the research. While doing the SARS research they did come across one "unexpected" aspect although not investigated, the research was discontinued. Vaccine enhanced disease. If you want to know more listen to the podcast. There'll be at least one conspiracist wetting himself I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galenkia Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 50 minutes ago, forcebwithu said: I wonder how many people they say didn't show any symptoms in fact had symptoms, but they were so mild they attributed their illness to nothing more than a cold or mild case of the flu. I have had a cold the last two weeks. How do I know it's not the virus considering a mate at work died from it?. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 33 minutes ago, fforest said: Until the CDC changes their guidelines on what can be called a Covid-19 infection as talked about in the video in post 2054.....This Covid-19 could go on forever.... A Covid-19 infection is someone infected or previously infected with the SARS-Cov-2 virus. Easily determined by RT-PCR if currently infected or antibody testing (when a reliable test that doesn't cross react to Cov "common cold" virus infections is found) for previously infected. However it appears that human -> (domestic) animal infection is possible, if (domestic) animal -> human infection is possible then Covid-19 will probably go on forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, galenkia said: I have had a cold the last two weeks. How do I know it's not the virus considering a mate at work died from it?. While Covid-19 and the "common cold" have some similar symptoms, sneezing and a runny nose are generally not found with Covid-19. According to some who have survived, if your lungs feel like they're "full of broken glass" then you probably have Covid-19. If you meet the criteria, go and get tested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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