Krapow Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte has condemned rioters after a third night of unrest hit the country over anti-Covid measures. Rutte calls the unrest “pure violence” unleashed by “idiots” and vows to prosecute those responsible. “I realise that there are a lot of tensions in society because we have been dealing with all the misery of coronavirus for so long,” Rutte tells Dutch media. But he says that the riots, which took pace in several cities across the Netherlands, had “nothing to do with demonstrating". "This is a pure explosion of violence directed against our police, against our firefighters, against ambulance drivers.” He adds he will always defend the right to protest, but what he “will never accept is that idiots use pure violence against people … who keep this country safe”. Around 145 people have been arrested by Dutch police during the unrest, which began after the Dutch government announced a new partial lockdown in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galenkia Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 We had a couple of people fail Covid tests today at work. Mask wearing is now being cracked down on, with anyone testing positive who is not vaccinated not being paid. I have been wearing one last couple of weeks since people started testing positive. So far I have felt fine, but don't want to fail the test as I've got a couple of gigs over the next week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 39 minutes ago, galenkia said: We had a couple of people fail Covid tests today at work. Mask wearing is now being cracked down on, with anyone testing positive who is not vaccinated not being paid. I have been wearing one last couple of weeks since people started testing positive. So far I have felt fine, but don't want to fail the test as I've got a couple of gigs over the next week. My daughter's office has been closed for the last 2 weeks as everyone got Covid. She is still feeling like shit and completely exhausted. God knows how I managed to dodge the bullet having spend a whole day with her and she tested positive the next day.. Maybe the booster helped. It's easy to become complacent, I was getting that way. Stay safe mate 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painter Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 (edited) Remember Europe slagging off AZ, then threatening to sue, then not using it....? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/23/astrazeneca-jab-could-reason-britain-faring-better-europe-says/ Comments from AZ boss, so obviously biased, but.... AstraZeneca jab could be why Britain is faring better than Europe, says vaccine boss 'In the UK, this vaccine was used for older people. Whereas in Europe initially people thought the vaccine doesn't work in older people' The AstraZeneca jab could be the reason why Britain is faring better than Europe when it comes to Covid, the vaccine company's boss has said. As countries in the EU - including Germany, the Netherlands and Austria begin to reimpose lockdown restrictions, the UK appears to be coping with the return to relative normality. Pascal Soirot, chief executive of AstraZeneca, believes this could be due to the fact that so many older people were given the Oxford vaccine in Britain, whereas members of the EU banned the jab for its elderly populations. The EU's medical regulator approved the use of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine for all age groups in January. But the rollout stalled in France, Germany and Italy when they recommended that it should not be used for people over 65, citing insufficient data on its efficacy for older people. By March, they had U-turned on the policy, by which time the UK's rollout had far surpassed their European counterparts with millions of doses of AstraZeneca going into people of all ages. This delay, according to Mr Soirot, could be the reason why restrictions are being tightened and hospitalisations are going up in Europe. He told the BBC's Radio 4 Today programme: "You have two dimensions to this immune response... one is the antibody response and two is the so called T-cell response. "And the antibody response is what drives the immediate reaction or defence of the body when when you're attacked by the virus. "And the T-cell response takes a little longer to come in. But it's actually more durable. It lasts longer. "And the body remembers that longer. So you see on to everybody's focused on antibodies, but antibodies you see them decline over time." On Monday, Germany saw the second biggest number of daily cases in the world with 49,467, with the UK third with 41,365. There were 204 Covid deaths reported on Monday compared to the UK's 45 and on Nov 14, there were 3,020 in intensive care with coronavirus compared to the UK's 923. In March, the number in Germany was 200, and 1,813 in the UK, emphasising how mainland Europe is once again in the grip of another Covid storm. Mr Soirot said: "What remains and is very important is this T-cell response. "And as soon as the virus attacks you, they wake up and they come to the rescue and the defend you and but it takes them a little while so you may be infected, but then they come to the rescue and you don't get hospitalised and it's really interesting when you look at the UK, the there was a big peak of infections, but not so many hospitalisations relative to Europe. "In the UK, this vaccine was used to vaccinate older people. Whereas in Europe initially people thought the vaccine doesn't work in older people." Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel both publicly suggested the AstraZeneca jab was of no use to older people, with the French President calling it "quasi-ineffective". Asked if that was a mistake by Europe, Mr Soirot said: "I'm not saying there was any mistake done by anybody. I'm just saying that there's a lot of data that still need to be made available that we don't have." And pressed on the BBC if there could be a link between hospitalisation rates and the fact that AstraZeneca wasn't used in older people meaning the T-cell response isn't there, he said: What I'm saying is T-cells do matters, and in particular as it relates to the durability of the response, especially in older people, and this vaccine has been shown to stimulate T-cells to a higher degree in older people. "And so we haven't seen many hospitalisations in the UK, a lot of infections, for sure, everybody talking about those. "But what matters is are you severely ill or not are you hospitalised or not? And we haven't seen so many of these hospitalisations. "There's no proof of anything. We don't know [if because AstraZeneca was used among older people in the UK instead of Pfizer or Moderna] but we need more data to analyse this and get the answer." Germany is debating the possibility of introducing a general vaccine mandate next year amid warnings that it is facing a fifth wave of Covid cases. edit, apols for text size, can't (or rather, don't know how to) reduce it... Edited November 23, 2021 by Painter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stillearly Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 21 hours ago, Stillearly said: Just been boosted , first two were AZ , todays was Pfizer... injection actually hurt ( didn't even feel the others .. ) , but she said I'd been a brave little soldier 💪 No side effects , not even a sore arm ✅ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john luke Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, Stillearly said: No side effects , not even a sore arm ✅ I had same 2 X AZ followed by a Pfizer booster. Very little after effects from first 2 AZ but soreness at vaccination site after the Pfizer booster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britboy Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, john luke said: I had same 2 X AZ followed by a Pfizer booster. Very little after effects from first 2 AZ but soreness at vaccination site after the Pfizer booster. I've had 3 x Pfizer now. At the time of injection, the first two I didn't feel at all. The 3rd one stung quite a bit when she injected it. But on all 3, apart from a sore arm the following day only, no side effects or symptoms at all. My booster was a week ago today, I've been completely fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boydeste Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Just had my 3rd Pfizer jab, two more mins wait and I am on my way home. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Britboy said: I've had 3 x Pfizer now. At the time of injection, the first two I didn't feel at all. The 3rd one stung quite a bit when she injected it. But on all 3, apart from a sore arm the following day only, no side effects or symptoms at all. My booster was a week ago today, I've been completely fine. I think it's just a case of affecting people differently. I had first two AZ with no discomfort or side effects, followed by a Pfizer booster, which gave me mild headaches for a few days, but nothing more than that. Most vaccines can have mild side effects, not just Covid. I have not heard of anyone getting more severe side effects, than maybe a sore are and feeling slightly under the weather for a few days. Some vaccinators are a bit more brutal than others in the way they inject you, but it's just a needle and not even going into a vein. As with you, most people feel fine afterwards. No big deal I honestly don't understand what some of those "Nancy boy" antivaxers are so worried about 😊 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stillearly Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/new-research-suggests-delta-strain-drove-itself-to-extinction-in-japan/news-story/b0c7459c05dedb1ddb41908743b585fd New research suggests Delta strain ‘drove itself to extinction’ in Japan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 17 minutes ago, Stillearly said: https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/new-research-suggests-delta-strain-drove-itself-to-extinction-in-japan/news-story/b0c7459c05dedb1ddb41908743b585fd New research suggests Delta strain ‘drove itself to extinction’ in Japan Interesting report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coxyhog Posted November 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Nightcrawler said: I have not heard of anyone getting more severe side effects, than maybe a sore are and feeling slightly under the weather for a few days. You missed an s out.... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 2 hours ago, coxyhog said: You missed an s out.... Oops 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Went to a local pharmacy on Mission Street for my daughter's first Pfitzer shot. Set up an appointment online, waited inline about 20 minutes, shot administered by a pharmacy school student. My daughter (9yo) didn't flinch. Will get #2 in three weeks. All's good. Funny thing...a guy walked by selling "psychedelic mushrooms" while we waited in line. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 There’s now only three countries left that have either no covid test entry requirement or a vaccine pass. Mexico Costa Rica El Salvador Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lazarus Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Just got my Moderna booster this morning...easy peasy. Abstaining snowflakes have nothing to fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/covid-19/crisis-in-slovenia-whistleblower-nurse-says-politicians-receive-saline-instead-of-mrna-jab/ CRISIS IN SLOVENIA: WHISTLEBLOWER NURSE SAYS POLITICIANS RECEIVE SALINE INSTEAD OF MRNA JAB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathmandu Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 6 hours ago, fforest said: There’s now only three countries left that have either no covid test entry requirement or a vaccine pass. Mexico Costa Rica El Salvador Nope. Total misinformation regarding Costa Rica. I'm surprised you are allowed to spread these lies on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, Kathmandu said: Nope. Total misinformation regarding Costa Rica. I'm surprised you are allowed to spread these lies on this forum. Pretty harsh for a mistake if it is one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 37 minutes ago, fforest said: https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/covid-19/crisis-in-slovenia-whistleblower-nurse-says-politicians-receive-saline-instead-of-mrna-jab/ CRISIS IN SLOVENIA: WHISTLEBLOWER NURSE SAYS POLITICIANS RECEIVE SALINE INSTEAD OF MRNA JAB From the article. Bolding and highlighting mine, which right there tells me the nurse is full of shit. During the conference she showed codes on the bottles where each contains 1, 2 or 3 digits, and then explained the meaning of those numbers. Note: Daily Telegraph understands from our sources in Slovenia the original video has now been removed from Facebook. Number 1 is the placebo, saline. Number 2 is a the mRNA. The number 3 is an mRNA stick that contains the onco gene, linked to the adenovirus that contributes to the development of cancer. She said those receiving the number 3 bottle will develop soft tissue cancer within two years of receiving the jab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathmandu Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Kathmandu said: Nope. Total misinformation regarding Costa Rica. I'm surprised you are allowed to spread these lies on this forum. 59 minutes ago, fforest said: Pretty harsh for a mistake if it is one... What's harsh about it? And it is a "mistake" if you wish to call it that, sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Kathmandu said: What's harsh about it? And it is a "mistake" if you wish to call it that, sir. If its a mistake its a mistake no big deal...But maybe for you its a big deal... Edited November 25, 2021 by fforest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starshine Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 2 hours ago, fforest said: https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/covid-19/crisis-in-slovenia-whistleblower-nurse-says-politicians-receive-saline-instead-of-mrna-jab/ CRISIS IN SLOVENIA: WHISTLEBLOWER NURSE SAYS POLITICIANS RECEIVE SALINE INSTEAD OF MRNA JAB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 8 hours ago, fforest said: There’s now only three countries left that have either no covid test entry requirement or a vaccine pass. Mexico Costa Rica El Salvador Do you have a source for that info please? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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