lazarus Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 These guys really know the score on Ivermectin: https://texasfishingforum.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/13821786/all/ivermectin-for-covid psst...(roooob...better read the entire thread to get a free Ivermectin delivery system lifelike b'ttplug) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 24 minutes ago, Bazle said: Tess Lawrie has taken it upon herself to fight Big Pharma - a huge mission. I find her stance on Ivermectin quite reasonable. Big Pharma will fight against anything that stops them making profit from new (under patent) drugs; that includes disparaging established drugs as there is no money to be made from them. To satisfy government agencies in the US and Western Europe (and people like yourself 🙂 ), there would need to be clinical trials of Ivermectin in treating Covid-19. Such trials are very expensive, and the pharma companies will not pay for them for obvious reasons. Governments should step in and sponsor trials in this situation, but haven't. However, governments in Eastern Europe, South America and India have approved the use of Ivermectin for treating Covid. Quote there would need to be clinical trials of Ivermectin in treating Covid-19 Of course. It's called evidence based medicine. Don't you believe in it? I do! Quote However, governments in Eastern Europe, South America and India have approved the use of Ivermectin for treating Covid. What's the vaccine situation like in those places? Wouldn't be a case of appearing to do something even if there's no evidence to support it. Why do you think the evil Big Pharma vaccine clinical trials enrolled 30,000 - 40,000 subjects. Do you think the 72, 62, 24 subjects in the Invermectin studies would satisfy UK, EU, US etc regulatory authorities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazle Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 minute ago, fygjam said: Why do you think the evil Big Pharma vaccine clinical trials enrolled 30,000 - 40,000 subjects. Do you think the 72, 62, 24 subjects in the Invermectin studies would satisfy UK, EU, US etc regulatory authorities? When the drug has been used for years to treat various tropical diseases, why could it not have been used before the vaccines became (widely) available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 34 minutes ago, roobob said: Dear oh dear. Why do you not post all of what I said about Tess Lawrie. Here is some you missed or maybe ignored. cheers Dr. Tess Lawrie has entered this David v. Goliath battle. She is an independent research consultant to the WHO, and her work has consistently been used to underpin International Clinic Practice Guidelines. In other words, she has been one of the go-to scientists on which the WHO bases their recommendations. You missed it again. The second para about the second lead author of the study you put so much faith in. She has established a non-profit organization to promote the worldwide approval and adoption of Ivermectin for COVID-19. PS. Why do you think the person who wrote that, Justus R. Hope, uses a false name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazle Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 minute ago, fygjam said: She has established a non-profit organization to promote the worldwide approval and adoption of Ivermectin for COVID-19. What is wrong with that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, Bazle said: What is wrong with that? Sorta calls into question her objectivity in examining the evidence. PS. You haven't answered the question "Do you believe in evidence based medicine?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazle Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, fygjam said: Sorta calls into question her objectivity in examining the evidence. PS. You haven't answered the question "Do you believe in evidence based medicine?" Of course I believe in looking at the evidence. But you have to look beyond the evidence from very expensive clinical trials which are going to be applied only to new drugs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, fygjam said: You missed it again. The second para about the second lead author of the study you put so much faith in. She has established a non-profit organization to promote the worldwide approval and adoption of Ivermectin for COVID-19. PS. Why do you think the person who wrote that, Justus R. Hope, uses a false name? Not missed anything. Again... why have you missed this... She is an independent research consultant to the WHO, and her work has consistently been used to underpin International Clinic Practice Guidelines. In other words, she has been one of the go-to scientists on which the WHO bases their recommendations. Why do always deflect from the content of a link/article??? cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 minute ago, roobob said: Why do always deflect from the content of a link/article??? Second para on the bit about Tess Lawrie. It's part of the article! She has established a non-profit organization to promote the worldwide approval and adoption of Ivermectin for COVID-19. PS. Why do you think the author of said article uses a false name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, fygjam said: Second para on the bit about Tess Lawrie. It's part of the article! She has established a non-profit organization to promote the worldwide approval and adoption of Ivermectin for COVID-19. PS. Why do you think the author of said article uses a false name? Why do you keep going on about the author? Why do you not look at the content??? cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Further Info on Ivermecetin https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/06/23/ivermectinwidely-used-to-treat-covid-19-despite-being-unprovenis-being-studied-in-the-uk-as-a-potential-treatment/?sh=7666ee896b30 Ivermectin–Widely Used To Treat Covid-19 Despite Being Unproven–Is Being Studied In The U.K. As A Potential Treatment Robert Hart Forbes Staff Business I cover breaking news. Follow TOPLINE The University of Oxford announced Wednesday it is investigating antiparasitic drug ivermectin as a possible treatment for Covid-19, a trial that could finally resolve questions over the controversial medicine which has been widely promoted around the world despite warnings from regulators and a lack of data supporting its use. the trial will test ivermectin's efficacy and safety as a Covid-19 treatment GETTY KEY FACTS Ivermectin will be assessed as part of the U.K. government-backed Principle study, which assesses non-hospital treatments against Covid-19 and is a large-scale randomized control trial widely considered the “gold standard” in evaluating a medicine’s effectiveness. While studies have shown ivermectin to inhibit virus replication in a lab, studies in people have been more limited and have not conclusively demonstrated the drug’s effectiveness ofsafety for the purpose of treating Covid-19. The medicine has a good safety profile and is used widely around the world to treat parasitic infections like river blindness. Professor Chris Butler, one of the study’s lead investigators, said the group hopes “to generate robust evidence to determine how effective the treatment is against Covid-19, and whether there are benefits or harms associated with its use.” Ivermectin is the seventh treatment to be tested in the Principle trial, two of which—the antibiotics azithromycin and doxycycline—were found to be generally ineffective in January and one—an inhaled steroid, budesonide—was found to be effective at reducing recovery time in April. CRUCIAL QUOTE Dr. Stephen Griffin, an associate professor at the University of Leeds, said the trial should finally provide an answer to questions over whether ivermectin should be used as a drug targeting Covid-19. “Much like hydroxychloroquine before, there has been a considerable amount of off-label use of this drug,” primarily based on studies of the virus in laboratory settings, not people, and using safety data from its widespread use as an antiparasitic, where much lower doses are normally used. Griffin added: “The danger with such off-label use is that… the drug becomes driven by specific interest groups or proponents of non-conventional treatments and becomes politicized.” The Principle study should help “resolve ongoing controversy,” Griffin said. KEY BACKGROUND Ivermectin is an inexpensive and readily available drug that has been used to treat parasitic infections in people and livestock for decades. Despite a lack of proof that it is safe or effective against Covid-19, the oft-touted wonder drug—for which its discoverers were awarded the 2015 Nobel Prize for medicine or physiology—quickly gained status as a “miracle cure” for Covid-19 and was embraced around the world, particularly in Latin America, South Africa, the Philippines and India. However, leading medical regulators—including the World Health Organization, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the European Medicines Agency—do not support its use as a treatment for Covid-19 outside of trials. Merck, which manufactures ivermectin, concurs, and in February said it does “not believe that the data available support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin” for use against Covid-19. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19 Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19 Subscribe to Email Updates Share Tweet Linkedin Email Print Español Português 中文 Tagalog Tiếng Việt 한국어 COVID-19. We’ve been living with it for what sometimes seems like forever. Given the number of deaths that have occurred from the disease, it’s perhaps not surprising that some consumers are looking at unconventional treatments, not approved or authorized by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Though this is understandable, please beware. The FDA’s job is to carefully evaluate the scientific data on a drug to be sure that it is both safe and effective for a particular use, and then to decide whether or not to approve it. Using any treatment for COVID-19 that’s not approved or authorized by the FDA, unless part of a clinical trial, can cause serious harm. There seems to be a growing interest in a drug called ivermectin to treat humans with COVID-19. Ivermectin is often used in the U.S. to treat or prevent parasites in animals. The FDA has received multiple reports of patients who have required medical support and been hospitalized after self-medicating with ivermectin intended for horses. Here’s What You Need to Know about Ivermectin FDA has not approved ivermectin for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. Ivermectin tablets are approved at very specific doses for some parasitic worms, and there are topical (on the skin) formulations for head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Ivermectin is not an anti-viral (a drug for treating viruses). Taking large doses of this drug is dangerous and can cause serious harm. If you have a prescription for ivermectin for an FDA-approved use, get it from a legitimate source and take it exactly as prescribed. Never use medications intended for animals on yourself. Ivermectin preparations for animals are very different from those approved for humans. What is Ivermectin and How is it Used? Ivermectin tablets are approved by the FDA to treat people with intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis, two conditions caused by parasitic worms. In addition, some topical (on the skin) forms of ivermectin are approved to treat external parasites like head lice and for skin conditions such as rosacea. Some forms of ivermectin are used in animals to prevent heartworm disease and certain internal and external parasites. It’s important to note that these products are different from the ones for people, and safe when used as prescribed for animals, only. When Can Taking Ivermectin Be Unsafe? The FDA has not reviewed data to support use of ivermectin in COVID-19 patients to treat or to prevent COVID-19; however, some initial research is underway. Taking a drug for an unapproved use can be very dangerous. This is true of ivermectin, too. There’s a lot of misinformation around, and you may have heard that it’s okay to take large doses of ivermectin. That is wrong. Even the levels of ivermectin for approved uses can interact with other medications, like blood-thinners. You can also overdose on ivermectin, which can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, hypotension (low blood pressure), allergic reactions (itching and hives), dizziness, ataxia (problems with balance), seizures, coma and even death. Ivermectin Products for Animals Are Different from Ivermectin Products for People For one thing, animal drugs are often highly concentrated because they are used for large animals like horses and cows, which can weigh a lot more than we do—a ton or more. Such high doses can be highly toxic in humans. Moreover, FDA reviews drugs not just for safety and effectiveness of the active ingredients, but also for the inactive ingredients. Many inactive ingredients found in animal products aren’t evaluated for use in people. Or they are included in much greater quantity than those used in people. In some cases, we don’t know how those inactive ingredients will affect how ivermectin is absorbed in the human body. Meanwhile, effective ways to limit the spread of COVID-19 continue to be to wear your mask, stay at least 6 feet from others who don’t live with you, wash hands frequently, and avoid crowds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nightcrawler Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 As horse drugs go, I think I personaly would settle for Ketamine One of the patients being treated with Invermectin described his condition as "stable"😁 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazle Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, Nightcrawler said: As horse drugs go, I think I personaly would settle for Ketamine https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/ "Ivermectin is a Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved antiparasitic drug that is used to treat several neglected tropical diseases, including onchocerciasis, helminthiases, and scabies." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 39 minutes ago, Bazle said: https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/ "Ivermectin is a Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved antiparasitic drug that is used to treat several neglected tropical diseases, including onchocerciasis, helminthiases, and scabies." Not had any of those yet ☺️ Have the FDA approved it for Covid though? Yet again, if I was at death's door dying of Covid related symptoms then I have anything that might give me a chance of dodging the coffin. I would not just take it on the" hoof" though😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasseye Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 3 hours ago, roobob said: Rubbish...absolutely rubbish. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazle Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Nightcrawler said: Not had any of those yet ☺️ Have the FDA approved it for Covid though? For gawdsake man - keep up! The FDA will not approve it for Covid as the very expensive trials have not been done as, hitherto, no-one will finance them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bazle said: The FDA will not approve it for Covid as the very expensive trials have not been done as, hitherto, no-one will finance them. If it were a viable treatment someone would finance a study. The right wing media push for Invermectin is just another distraction to keep the NJs lapping up more "buy gold" commercials. FFS, get vaccinated (Pfizer is approved) and if you're in an area with a lot of infections -- wear a mask when indoors with strangers, outdoors in crowds, and... thank your lucky charms you didn't catch Covid and die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, Bazle said: For gawdsake man - keep up! The FDA will not approve it for Covid as the very expensive trials have not been done as, hitherto, no-one will finance them. I guess we will never know then. But in the meantime, it appears that some people are prepared to take it anyway. In UK, it would be a prescription drug but I cant see it being widely prescribed by doctors. I would not be surprised if it is being widely sold on the the Internet though and at greatly inflated prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazle Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 20 minutes ago, Nightcrawler said: I guess we will never know then. 2 hours ago, Nightcrawler said: The University of Oxford announced Wednesday it is investigating antiparasitic drug ivermectin as a possible treatment for Covid-19, a trial that could finally resolve questions over the controversial medicine which has been widely promoted around the world despite warnings from regulators and a lack of data supporting its use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazle Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 31 minutes ago, lazarus said: If it were a viable treatment someone would finance a study. If there's no money to be made from it, no company whose purpose is to make profit is going to finance it. But it does look from @Nightcrawler's earlier post that the University of Oxford has now taken up the mantle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krapow Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, roobob said: buggar me dead Damn fine on topic post, if I ever seen one! Mr Fforest approves 👌 Cheers Edited August 29, 2021 by Krapow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 On the advice of a BM here I took Ivermectin and got a sore throat. I went to my doctor and said 'Doc, is it serious?' He said 'Naaaaaaaaaaay laddie, you're just a little horse. But to be on the safe side it is best if you hoof it down to the horsepital' So off I trotted and now I'm sat in the examining room with my legs up in stirrups and a fecking doctors arm up my arse. To make it worse the cnuts name is Dr. Herriot 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasseye Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 52 minutes ago, Krapow said: Damn fine on topic post, if I ever seen one! Mr Fforest approves 👌 Cheers Tremendous !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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