The Derek Chauvin George Floyd Murder Trial.

[fygjam]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Smooth said:

This personal attack of bm's by another is a clear board violation and perhaps a mod can have a word with Kat to set him straight on the matter.

Definitely worth a "brown nose".

 

[Nightcrawler]

I understand that this topic was always going to be testy. The whole Chauvin case raises lots of controversy and some  members may have strong opinions about the trial and outcome in terms of a wider picture. I did put a spin off discussion topic in Politics Club but that has clearly not worked in this case. 

Rather than close this topic, I would ask that Posters react to posts rather than posters and that this Topic does not end up in some sort of shit feast. 

There are clearly differences of opinion on a number of wider issues regarding policing and the politics surrounding that. 

We will have no choice but to close this topic or merge it into the Politics Club if this continues. 

Thanks for your collective cooperation in advance before things get out of hand. 

[Kathmandu]

11 hours ago, Mr. Smooth said:

 

This personal attack of bm's by another is a clear board violation and perhaps a mod can have a word with Kat to set him straight on the matter.

 

Yeah my bad. Next time I'll add a smiley. 🌝

[GoggoBeast]

On 4/24/2021 at 9:14 PM, lazarus said:

You've got nothing but time on your hands now, right?

 

. . .

The Springer Show & other daytime talk TV shows back in the 1990s set in motion (for some) an era of general disrespect. It was very popular with Black viewers. Considering your approach on this forum I imagine you watched more than few episodes, too.

... “Springer” averages 2.1 million overall viewers (45% African-American) and “Williams” 1.5 million (with 58% of its viewership black)...

https://variety.com/2012/tv/news/minorities-are-a-key-syndie-driver-1118051852/

 

AMERICAN MIRROR: A CRASH COURSE IN TRASH TV

The country’s soul is exposed in our daytime talk shows. No wonder they’re so hard to watch.

https://theoutline.com/post/1253/daytime-trash-talk-shows-a-history-lesson-jerry-springer-donahue-oprah

... In recent months, especially after the 2016 presidential election, it’s become apparent that many Americans exist in filter bubbles of opinion and experience. When I talked to Gamson, he confessed that he hadn’t watched daytime talk shows since he studied them in the ’90s. I wouldn’t know any of these shows were still on the air were it not for my employment as a cashier at a grocery store. The language of daytime TV is specific to an audience that, to a growing number of people, doesn’t even register. It follows the rise of Donald Trump, whose press briefings are among the highest-rated programs on daytime television, bringing in more viewers than General Hospital and The Bold and the Beautiful. For people whose lives don’t appear in mainstream culture, Trump’s appeal is the same as so-called "trash TV;" it is brash, offensive, and unkind. The real people who watch it can’t see themselves anywhere else.

. . .

Now...troll away. Lots of words from you. Very little supported with anything factual.

 

 

I tripped over this song and immediately thought of you. 

 

Bickies = cookies. Ozzie slang for biscuits.

 

🙂

 

[Kathmandu]

16 hours ago, Mr. Smooth said:

So Kathmandu posts a total mischaracterization in his response of what two other bm's posted and openly wishes for each of them to suffer a bodily assault by an unknown assailant, simply because their views do not adhere to what Kat thinks.

This personal attack of bm's by another is a clear board violation and perhaps a mod can have a word with Kat to set him straight on the matter.

Way to go there, Kat. So much for using the power of logic and ideas to win the hearts and minds of others to come around to your side of an argument.

You owe both roobob and john luke an apology for your adolescent and uncalled for threats.

Stand up an be a man.

I'm so sorry Mr. Smooth, John Luke and Roobob.

Edited April 26, 2021 by Kathmandu

[Kathmandu]

4 minutes ago, GoggoBeast said:

 

I tripped over this song and immediately thought of you. 

 

Bickies = cookies. Ozzie slang for biscuits.

 

🙂

 

Good for you. Who cares?

[Nightcrawler]

https://www.thailand-247.com/topic/4343-the-political-ramifications-of-the-chauvin-trial/

 

[john luke]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56989757

George Floyd killer Derek Chauvin asks for new trial

The white former Minneapolis police officer convicted last month of the murder of the black man George Floyd has requested a new trial. 

Derek Chauvin's legal team have filed court documents alleging misconduct by both prosecutors and jurors. 

Chauvin, who was captured on video kneeling on Mr Floyd's neck for more than nine minutes, was found guilty of murder and manslaughter. 

His lawyer says his client was deprived of a fair trial. 

In court documents Eric Nelson argues that the process was not impartial because of pre-trial publicity. 

• The murder that drove America to the brink
• 'This is monumental. This is historic'
• Five key moments from the trial

He writes that it was "so pervasive and so prejudicial" before and during the trial, that it amounted to a "structural defect in the proceedings". 

The motion also alleges that errors were made by the judge and that there was prosecutorial misconduct and witness intimidation. 

The rare verdict against a police officer was considered a milestone in the racial history of the US and was widely applauded by Americans. Chauvin faces up to 40 years in prison. 

He will be sentenced next month.

[john luke]

https://news.sky.com/story/derek-chauvin-moves-for-a-new-trial-two-weeks-after-being-convicted-of-george-floyds-murder-12297140

Derek Chauvin moves for a new trial, two weeks after being convicted of George Floyd's murder

Former police officer Derek Chauvin has asked for a new trial, two weeks after he was found guilty of killing George Floyd.

In a series of motions filed to District Court Judge Peter Cahill, Chauvin's lawyer, Eric Nelson, said his client was deprived of a fair trial, adding there was prosecutorial and jury misconduct, errors of law at trial and that the verdict was contrary to law.

Mr Nelson said the judge had abused the discretion of the court and violated Chauvin's right to due process and a fair trial when he denied a request to move the trial to another county due to pretrial publicity.

He also said the judge had abused his discretion when he denied an earlier request for a new trial based on publicity that allegedly threatened the fairness of the trial.

The decision not to sequester the jury was criticised, as was the decision not to allow a man who was with Mr Floyd at the time of his arrest to testify.

Mr Nelson also said the jury's verdict should be "impeached" because the jurors "committed misconduct, felt threatened or intimidated, felt race-based pressure during the proceedings, and/or failed to adhere to instructions during deliberations".

There was no mention of news reports that one juror was part of a march in Washington DC in August to honour Martin Luther King Jr, where he wore a Black Lives Matter t-shirt.

The juror - Brandon Mitchell - has insisted the march was not a protest over Mr Floyd's death.

Former Minneapolis police officer Chauvin went on trial in April, accused of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter - charges he denied.

The jurors had taken 10-and-a-half hours to convict the 45-year-old on all counts.

Mr Floyd, a 46-year-old black man, died while being restrained by Chauvin, who is white, during his arrest in the US city in May 2020.

Video filmed by bystanders showed Chauvin's knee pressed into Mr Floyd's neck and back for almost nine minutes as he gasped for breath.

The footage shocked the world and sparked global protests about racism and police brutality.

But the rare verdict against the police officer was welcomed by many, including US President Joe Biden.

It was seen as a milestone in the US's difficult racial history, and an admonishment of the way American law enforcement treats black Americans.

[john luke]

Gents - I have re opened this thread, which is in the General Topics Section of the Forum.  

There is also a thread in the USA Politics Club Section.

Please restrict posts on this thread to factual content or reasoned debate.  No personal insults and no politics, please.

 

Thanks.

 

JL.

[lazarus]

"A motion for a new trial is a defendant's request to have a new jury hear and redecide the case"

Not going to happen.

Chauvin will be sentenced and will appeal.

"A denial of the motion means that the initial guilty verdict stands. But even after a denial of the motion, a defendant though can still win a second chance if he is successful on appealing his case.

Also note that there are times when a court, even though it does not order another trial, may:

>> modify the defendant’s verdict to a lesser included offense of the convicted charge, or
>> reduce the degree of the charge."

Maybe he'll have his sentence reduced a bit on appeal.

. . .

Quotes from:

Motion for a New Trial in California (Penal Code 1181 PC)
https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/post-conviction/motion-for-new-trial/#:~:text=A motion for a new,previous verdict had taken place.

 

[john luke]

Derek Chauvin juror LIED about protest: Cop's hope of appeal boosted after picture emerges of juror at BLM rally wearing 'Get Your Knee Off Our Necks' T-shirt despite telling court he'd never been on a march

• Brandon Mitchell was one of 12 jurors who convicted Minneapolis cop Derek Chauvin of  the second-degree murder of George Floyd last month
• Mitchell, a 31-year-old black man, was photographed on social media attending an August 28 protest in Washington, DC at which Floyd's relatives spoke
• Mitchell is seen in the photograph wearing a t-shirt with a picture of Martin Luther King Jr and the words 'GET YOUR KNEE OFF OUR NECKS' and 'BLM' 
• He is also wearing a baseball cap embossed with 'Black Lives Matter'
• Mitchell acknowledged being at the event and that his uncle posted the photo, but claims he doesn't recall wearing or owning the shirt or cap 
• Mitchell said he answered 'no' to two questions about demonstrations on the questionnaire sent out before jury selection 
• Legal experts say the revelation will likely be brought up on appeal by Chauvin's attorney, Eric Nelson, who will argue his client was denied impartial jury 

Questions have been raised about the impartiality of one of the 12 jurors who convicted Derek Chauvin of murder after it was revealed he attended a rally last summer where George Floyd's relatives addressed the crowd.

A photo, posted on social media, shows Brandon Mitchell attending an August 28 event in Washington, DC, to commemorate Martin Luther King Jr's 'I Have a Dream' speech during the 1963 March on Washington.  

It shows Mitchell, a high school basketball coach, standing with two other men and wearing a T-shirt with a picture of King and the words, 'GET YOUR KNEE OFF OUR NECKS' and 'BLM'. He is also wearing a baseball cap printed with Black Lives Matter. 

Mitchell has admitted the photo is of him from that date, but defended attending the rally, claiming it was not explicitly a protest against police or a commemoration for George Floyd. 

That is despite the fact that Floyd's brother and sister, Philonise and Bridgett Floyd, and relatives of other African Americans who have been shot by police addressed the crowd that day. 

Mitchell said he answered 'no' to two questions about demonstrations on the questionnaire sent out before jury selection. 

Experts say the revelation could be grounds for the cop's appeal. 

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9539447/Chauvin-juror-defends-participation-Washington-protest.html

[galenkia]

See we have our version opened yesterday regarding the murder of ex football star Dalian Atkinson, who was tasered for 33 seconds and kicked in the head multiple times, and beaten with a baton by 2 police officers. 

Hopefully they get the book thrown at them. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-56979521

 

[galenkia]

1 hour ago, john luke said:

Gents - I have re opened this thread, which is in the General Topics Section of the Forum.  

There is also a thread in the USA Politics Club Section.

Please restrict posts on this thread to factual content or reasoned debate.  No personal insults and no politics, please.

 

Thanks.

 

JL.

Thanks for moving the thread. I quit the politics club as most of the new content page was full of US political threads, it was getting like fucking Secrets Mk2. 

[Kathmandu]

2 hours ago, lazarus said:

"A motion for a new trial is a defendant's request to have a new jury hear and redecide the case"

Not going to happen.

Chauvin will be sentenced and will appeal.

"A denial of the motion means that the initial guilty verdict stands. But even after a denial of the motion, a defendant though can still win a second chance if he is successful on appealing his case.

Also note that there are times when a court, even though it does not order another trial, may:

>> modify the defendant’s verdict to a lesser included offense of the convicted charge, or
>> reduce the degree of the charge."

Maybe he'll have his sentence reduced a bit on appeal.

. . .

Quotes from:

Motion for a New Trial in California (Penal Code 1181 PC)
https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/post-conviction/motion-for-new-trial/#:~:text=A motion for a new,previous verdict had taken place.

 

 

2 hours ago, john luke said:

Derek Chauvin juror LIED about protest: Cop's hope of appeal boosted after picture emerges of juror at BLM rally wearing 'Get Your Knee Off Our Necks' T-shirt despite telling court he'd never been on a march

• Brandon Mitchell was one of 12 jurors who convicted Minneapolis cop Derek Chauvin of  the second-degree murder of George Floyd last month
• Mitchell, a 31-year-old black man, was photographed on social media attending an August 28 protest in Washington, DC at which Floyd's relatives spoke
• Mitchell is seen in the photograph wearing a t-shirt with a picture of Martin Luther King Jr and the words 'GET YOUR KNEE OFF OUR NECKS' and 'BLM' 
• He is also wearing a baseball cap embossed with 'Black Lives Matter'
• Mitchell acknowledged being at the event and that his uncle posted the photo, but claims he doesn't recall wearing or owning the shirt or cap 
• Mitchell said he answered 'no' to two questions about demonstrations on the questionnaire sent out before jury selection 
• Legal experts say the revelation will likely be brought up on appeal by Chauvin's attorney, Eric Nelson, who will argue his client was denied impartial jury 

Questions have been raised about the impartiality of one of the 12 jurors who convicted Derek Chauvin of murder after it was revealed he attended a rally last summer where George Floyd's relatives addressed the crowd.

A photo, posted on social media, shows Brandon Mitchell attending an August 28 event in Washington, DC, to commemorate Martin Luther King Jr's 'I Have a Dream' speech during the 1963 March on Washington.  

It shows Mitchell, a high school basketball coach, standing with two other men and wearing a T-shirt with a picture of King and the words, 'GET YOUR KNEE OFF OUR NECKS' and 'BLM'. He is also wearing a baseball cap printed with Black Lives Matter. 

Mitchell has admitted the photo is of him from that date, but defended attending the rally, claiming it was not explicitly a protest against police or a commemoration for George Floyd. 

That is despite the fact that Floyd's brother and sister, Philonise and Bridgett Floyd, and relatives of other African Americans who have been shot by police addressed the crowd that day. 

Mitchell said he answered 'no' to two questions about demonstrations on the questionnaire sent out before jury selection. 

Experts say the revelation could be grounds for the cop's appeal. 

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9539447/Chauvin-juror-defends-participation-Washington-protest.html

The term "grasping at straws" comes to mind. 

[roobob]

7 hours ago, Kathmandu said:

 

The term "grasping at straws" comes to mind. 

I am sure Chauvin has no problem at grasping at straws..... but he is entitled to a fair trial for his alleged crime...and it can be seen what is coming out...he did not get a fair trial in the first case.

cheers

[lazarus]

9 hours ago, galenkia said:

Thanks for moving the thread. I quit the politics club as most of the new content page was full of US political threads, it was getting like fucking Secrets Mk2. 

Come back...we miss you!

When you open up the "Politics Club" page just click UK Politics at the top and you'll avoid all the USA nonsense (it's all just comedy for some of us).  🦅

[forqalso]

1 hour ago, roobob said:

I am sure Chauvin has no problem at grasping at straws..... but he is entitled to a fair trial for his alleged crime...and it can be seen what is coming out...he did not get a fair trial in the first case.

cheers

He’s been convicted, the crime is no longer “alleged”.  
He says he didn’t get a fair trial because one of the jurors feels his life matters as much as anyone else. He has a better chance of getting a new trial because of malpractice by his lawyer, who apparently didn’t check the social media accounts of the jury pool before agreeing on its members. It’s got to be that, or his lawyer knew of this and hid it for use as a appeal. 

[Mr. Smooth]

Can anyone with half a brain be surprised at this turn of events? Two things should have taken place, either the judge should have granted a change of venue to get that trial out of Minneapolis, or failing that, then the jurors should have all been sequestered for the length of the trial, and have their personal social media devices taken to avoid any possibility of being influenced in any way with their rendering a verdict.

This most certainly will be reason for a re-trial at some point in the future.

[lazarus]

1 hour ago, Mr. Smooth said:

Can anyone with half a brain be surprised at this turn of events? Two things should have taken place, either the judge should have granted a change of venue to get that trial out of Minneapolis, or failing that, then the jurors should have all been sequestered for the length of the trial, and have their personal social media devices taken to avoid any possibility of being influenced in any way with their rendering a verdict.

This most certainly will be reason for a re-trial at some point in the future.

Re-trial or appeal?

[nampla69]

Everyone appeals trials in America it goes with the verdicts so no surprise there.

Chauvin murdered him IMHO but equally that was never a fair trial.

Jury not sequestered, prosecution withholding evidence, dodgy jurors, that Maxine Waters and to me the 27$ million dollar settlement before the case ever started to GFs family. 

But John Luke this bit is not accurate above The decision not to sequester the jury was criticised, "as was the decision not to allow a man who was with Mr Floyd at the time of his arrest to testify.'

He took the 5th as he also sold GF the fentanyl, meth and all sorts of other shit. Plus he had warrants out for him and his lawyer explained it all to the judge. Watched it at the time. It was his own choice and cannot be par of any appeal as he exercising his constitutional rights which he is perfectly entitled to do. the fat nasty little drug dealing piece of dog shit.

[Kathmandu]

2 hours ago, lazarus said:

Re-trial or appeal?

As is often the case on these forums, we appear to have a bunch of folks who fancy themselves as the next Clarence Darrow.  

Let's stipulate that Chauvin deserves a new trial. Let's stipulate that it gets moved to Tupelo or even Bullshitsville USA. How about Bozeman or Casper? Do any of our Clarence Darrow's think the outcome would be any different?

Edited May 5, 2021 by Kathmandu

[roobob]

6 hours ago, lazarus said:

Re-trial or appeal?

As your mate said...he is clutching at straws.

Does it matter if it is worded as a re-trial or an appeal.....the first trial was unfair.

cheers

[lazarus]

6 minutes ago, roobob said:

As your mate said...he is clutching at straws.

Does it matter if it is worded as a re-trial or an appeal.....the first trial was unfair.

cheers

Don't know much about US law, do ya?

Big difference between the two.

[roobob]

3 minutes ago, lazarus said:

Don't know much about US law, do ya?

Big difference between the two.

Ok...lets go with an Appeal... or an appeal trial...you are happy with that???

Do you think he should get a new appeal trial if he appeals??

cheers