The Derek Chauvin George Floyd Murder Trial.

[lazarus]

11 minutes ago, forcebwithu said:

Just amazing what some consider "entertainment". I think my IQ dropped at least 10 points just watching the video clip. It's obvious the entire clip was staged, no different than pro wrestling. Another reason I haven't owned a TV for decades.

 

The show sent the signal to its watchers was that confrontation and physical violence was OK.

Even if obviously staged, it resonated with certain groups of Americans glued to their TVs for one reason or another.

. . .

The Jerry Springer effect

https://www.yesweekly.com/news/the-jerry-springer-effect/article_dac9970b-c8f2-5ae0-b58f-db87bb223607.html

...But it wasn’t just Jerry’s daily circus of freaks that had a negative impact on our collective psyche. It was also the way those dysfunctional folks communicated while the cameras were rolling. There was shouting, screaming, slapping, punching, kicking, and, of course, foul-mouthed cursing which was not very well disguised by Springer’s bleep machine. That kind of violent discourse gave rise to today’s angry Town Hall confrontations, and to pundits screaming at one another on cable news panels. It also sent a strong message to his viewers that it is OK to display loud, obnoxious behavior in restaurants, stores, airplanes, and other public venues.

Finally, we can thank Jerry for giving birth to every dysfunctional reality show on T.V. today, including every Kardashian, every desperate housewife, and every contestant who’s ever been naked and afraid.

Fortunately, Jerry Springer’s nationally syndicated show was canceled earlier this year, but by then, he had already done incalculable damage. Taking Springer’s toxins off the air after 27 years and expecting Americans to be more civil to each other is like giving up a five-pack-a-day habit for the past 27 years, and hoping that your lungs will be free of scarring. The fact is we will never completely heal from the scars that Springer wrought because his disciples, descendants, and imitators are still around to re-open the wounds...

Edited April 24, 2021 by lazarus

[Mr. Smooth]

So which is it Spaz, too many guns on the streets, or.........Jerry Springer? 🤣

About as disconnected a thought process as I have ever experienced by any board member on an internet forum.

Even Pizza Dave would be saying, "Uh....what the feck are YOU smokin'?"

[lazarus]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Smooth said:

So which is it Spaz, too many guns on the streets, or.........Jerry Springer? 🤣

About as disconnected a thought process as I have ever experienced by any board member on an internet forum.

Even Pizza Dave would be saying, "Uh....what the feck are YOU smokin'?"

slinky...you remind me of a Thai hooker that won't leave...even after she's paid.

Wah wah wah...

ps: I only smoke the KGB.

 

Edited April 24, 2021 by lazarus

[KWA]

16 hours ago, lazarus said:

Moving forward requires a comprehensive societal examination of why US police are killing so many citizens.

. . .

American Police Are Inadequately Trained
Officers in the United States don’t get as much instruction as police in other rich countries.

 

Rather than more training for the police, which future administrations would probably remove anyway, couldn't they use the money to provide education and jobs to move the gun toting, drug dealing black communities to a position where these attributes are not required?

Removing a problem at source is always better than treating it later.

[Mr. Smooth]

10 hours ago, forqalso said:

How do you prove any of the jurors saw anything about the trial in the media?  Will any of them admit to disregarding the judge’s order to avoid media coverage? Unless there’s proof of a tainted jury, they’ll need to look elsewhere for an appeal.

Many years ago, Charles Manson held up a newspaper headline for his jury to see, but this didn’t help him get a mistrial. 

I don't believe for a minute that any of those jurors were not aware of the media circus surrounding them, nor the online opinions and threats of violence if the jurors didn't render the "right" verdict. They knew that Minneapolis would burn, as well as other cities, and that it all was a matter of their verdict. 

As I already said, Chauvin did what he did and will be punished for it, but that doesn't mean that he won't be successful in getting an appeal.

Chauvin Trial Juror Says She Feared Intimidation at Her Home, Riots If Verdict Wasn't Accepted

Katie Pavlich

|

 @KatiePavlich

|

Posted: Apr 23, 2021 6:00 AM

Source: (AP Photo/Noah Berger)

During an interview with KARE 11 a juror for the trial of ex-Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin, who ultimately found out she was an alternate, expressed concern about being called for the job because she "didn't want to see rioting again" and was scared people would show up at her home if they were unhappy with a particular verdict. 

Raguse: Did you want to be a juror?

Christensen: I had mixed feelings. There was a question on the questionnaire about it and I put I did not know. The reason, at that time, was I did not know what the outcome was going to be, so I felt like either way you are going to disappoint one group or the other. I did not want to go through rioting and destruction again and I was concerned about people coming to my house if they were not happy with the verdict.

Despite a fear of riots, Christensen still believes Chauvin was guilty on all three charges of second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in the death of George Floyd. This was the verdict the jury unanimously handed down Tuesday afternoon.

"Christensen, who lives in the city where a white officer shot and killed a 20-year-old Black man during a traffic stop this month, said that if she had been part of deliberations, she would've found Chauvin guilty. But Christensen had no idea that she was one of two alternates until the judge dismissed her right before the 12 jurors were sequestered," KARE 11 reports. 

After closing arguments on Monday, Chauvin's attorneys asked the judge for the case to declare a mistrial after Democrat Congresswoman Maxine Waters called for violent rioters to get "more confrontational" if a guilty verdict wasn't reached. While the judge denied the request, he said they may have a case if they file an appeal. 

Recommended

[Mr. Smooth]

29 minutes ago, lazarus said:

slinky...you remind me of a Thai hooker that won't leave...even after she's paid.

Wah wah wah...

ps: I only smoke the KGB.

 

I asked you a simple question based upon YOUR analysis, dubious as it might be, and you can't even answer that! Don't blame me for your skewed logic as to the factors that should be blamed for a severe lack of respect for authority figures by the youth, specifically black males.

I already said it was due to a lack of a full time father in the home. That is a much better logical analysis than some syndicated tv show that was acted out, where a white tv host made millions off the manipulation and exploitation of the mostly young, black audience and participants.

[roobob]

1 minute ago, Mr. Smooth said:

I asked you a simple question based upon YOUR analysis, dubious as it might be, and you can't even answer that! Don't blame me for your skewed logic as to the factors that should be blamed for a severe lack of respect for authority figures by the youth, specifically black males.

I already said it was due to a lack of a full time father in the home. That is a much better logical analysis than some syndicated tv show that was acted out, where a white tv host made millions off the manipulation and exploitation of the mostly young, black audience and participants.

I would not hold your breath for an answer...as some are to busy looking to be the serial offended on anything that is going...... in fact they seem to revel in it...555

cheers

[nampla69]

9 hours ago, lazarus said:

The show sent the signal to its watchers was that confrontation and physical violence was OK.

Even if obviously staged, it resonated with certain groups of Americans glued to their TVs for one reason or another.

. . .

The Jerry Springer effect

https://www.yesweekly.com/news/the-jerry-springer-effect/article_dac9970b-c8f2-5ae0-b58f-db87bb223607.html

...But it wasn’t just Jerry’s daily circus of freaks that had a negative impact on our collective psyche. It was also the way those dysfunctional folks communicated while the cameras were rolling. There was shouting, screaming, slapping, punching, kicking, and, of course, foul-mouthed cursing which was not very well disguised by Springer’s bleep machine. That kind of violent discourse gave rise to today’s angry Town Hall confrontations, and to pundits screaming at one another on cable news panels. It also sent a strong message to his viewers that it is OK to display loud, obnoxious behavior in restaurants, stores, airplanes, and other public venues.

Finally, we can thank Jerry for giving birth to every dysfunctional reality show on T.V. today, including every Kardashian, every desperate housewife, and every contestant who’s ever been naked and afraid.

Fortunately, Jerry Springer’s nationally syndicated show was canceled earlier this year, but by then, he had already done incalculable damage. Taking Springer’s toxins off the air after 27 years and expecting Americans to be more civil to each other is like giving up a five-pack-a-day habit for the past 27 years, and hoping that your lungs will be free of scarring. The fact is we will never completely heal from the scars that Springer wrought because his disciples, descendants, and imitators are still around to re-open the wounds...

On behalf of London may I apologise for being the birthplace of Jerry Springer.

Anyway earlier poster put clear grounds for appeal. My main query was why was the jury not sequestered?

Don't get it ...... ??

I have a book called 100 Photos that Changed the World. That iconic photo of Chauvin doomed him quite correctly.

The other cops ...dunno?. One had only been out a week, one asked shall we put him on his side and roll him.

That just kept people like that halfwit Karen fire fighter away but guess they will all get time.

Much more coming out about Chauvin's previous ...wasn't the first time he'd pinned blacks down.

Can't see him ever coming out ..... as extra punishment I would lock him up with Ghislaine Maxwell and old Hooky Abu Qatada. 

They'd have some fun evenings together  ...

[john luke]

I actually have a degree of sympathy for Derek Chauvin.  I do not know the man, nor do I know anyone that does.  It strikes me that he was a 'Street Cop'.  He strikes me as not the type who would secure promotion or make it in a specialist department but the type of 'cop' who on a daily basis was prepared to deal with the dregs of society on a daily basis.  

It is my opinion that every police force needs officers like that.  Wiser officers will pick and chose the jobs they deal with and on occasions stand back and let another officer get there first.  Mr Chauvin probably did not do that.  

His employers saw fit to abandon him and throw him to the wolves; they dismissed him, rather than suspended him from duty and even provided expert witnesses to testify that what he did was not in compliance with the rules.  They made public the settlement at the time of jury selection which on balance of probability was more likely than not to have an effect on the decision making processes of the jurors.  For their trouble they now have a high level enquiry into the way the Force operates.  The likely outcomes of the enquiry are in my view unlikely to promote the detection of crime and offenders being brought to justice.  

In UK for many years we have had police powers of stop and search which members of certain communities claimed was disproportionately applied to them.  Numerous reports and commissions about stop and search; the outcome was that many officers who were anxious to progress their career development took the easy way out and avoided using the power.  Criminals avoided justice and officers avoided getting complaints.  Was that in the best interests of the community; I would suggest not.

Derek Chauvin was without doubt not the perfect cop; I would however suggest that he was the 'cop' that most would want when they were the victim of crime.  I would go on to suggest that a significant amount of low level crime in USA will not be addressed, if committed to members of BAME community who fail to submit to arrest procedures and dare I say it, struggle, fight back or run away or even are percieved likely to do so. 

Every force needs and should support street 'cops'.

I foresee not a good period ahead for policing in the USA.

[lazarus]

4 hours ago, Mr. Smooth said:

I asked you a simple question based upon YOUR analysis, dubious as it might be, and you can't even answer that! Don't blame me for your skewed logic as to the factors that should be blamed for a severe lack of respect for authority figures by the youth, specifically black males.

I already said it was due to a lack of a full time father in the home. That is a much better logical analysis than some syndicated tv show that was acted out, where a white tv host made millions off the manipulation and exploitation of the mostly young, black audience and participants.

You've got nothing but time on your hands now, right?

Perhaps you should volunteer at the Boys & Girls Club if you feel so strongly about your theory. Plenty of one parent white families & other ethnicities, too. Whose to say it's just absent fathers affecting youngsters' attitudes. There's a lot of absent mothers. You're just repeating a time worn, white conservative stereotype to explain away actual systemic problems in the Black community.

They're Dragging Out the 'Absent Black Fathers' Myth Again. Can We Give it a Rest? | Opinion

https://www.newsweek.com/absent-black-fathers-myth-racism-1509085

"...Those who propagate false stereotypes need a reality check. The facts are clear. The problems that protesters are railing against are not caused by black men. And if systemic reform conquers these problems, more children will have their dads at home..."

THE MYTH OF THE MISSING BLACK FATHER.

https://www.fatherhood.gov/research-and-resources/myth-missing-black-father

(Author abstract) Statistics show that close to 70 percent of all births to black mothers are nonmarital, giving rise to the stereotype that black fathers are largely absent. However, while black fathers are less likely than white and Hispanic fathers to marry their child's mother, many black fathers continue to parent through cohabitation and visitation, providing caretaking, financial, and in-kind support.

This volume recasts the meaning of black fatherhood in its many manifestations, exploring two-parent families, cohabitation, single custodial fathering, stepfathering, noncustodial visitation, and parenting by extended family members and friends. Contributors examine the way in which black men perceive and decipher their parenting responsibilities, paying careful attention to psychosocial, economic, and political factors that affect the ability to parent. Chapters compare the diversity of African American fatherhood with negative portrayals in politics, academia, and literature, and, through qualitative analysis and original profiles, ultimately refute the argument that young black fathers are irresponsible caregivers. This collection also includes several interviews with daughters of absent fathers and concludes with the effects of certain policy decisions on responsible parenting.

. . .

Illegal guns on the street cause cops to enter every public interaction with a wary attitude and a hand on the trigger. It's no wonder they don't kill more people. Don't ask me, ask a cop.

"how criminal get guns"

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

"Ask a cop on the beat how criminals get guns and you're likely to hear this hard boiled response: "They steal them." But this street wisdom is wrong, according to one frustrated Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agent who is tired of battling this popular misconception. An expert on crime gun patterns, ATF agent Jay Wachtel says that most guns used in crimes are not stolen out of private gun owners' homes and cars. "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes," Wachtel said. Because when they want guns they want them immediately the wait is usually too long for a weapon to be stolen and find its way to a criminal.

In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf..."

. . .

The Springer Show & other daytime talk TV shows back in the 1990s set in motion (for some) an era of general disrespect. It was very popular with Black viewers. Considering your approach on this forum I imagine you watched more than few episodes, too.

... “Springer” averages 2.1 million overall viewers (45% African-American) and “Williams” 1.5 million (with 58% of its viewership black)...

https://variety.com/2012/tv/news/minorities-are-a-key-syndie-driver-1118051852/

 

AMERICAN MIRROR: A CRASH COURSE IN TRASH TV

The country’s soul is exposed in our daytime talk shows. No wonder they’re so hard to watch.

https://theoutline.com/post/1253/daytime-trash-talk-shows-a-history-lesson-jerry-springer-donahue-oprah

... In recent months, especially after the 2016 presidential election, it’s become apparent that many Americans exist in filter bubbles of opinion and experience. When I talked to Gamson, he confessed that he hadn’t watched daytime talk shows since he studied them in the ’90s. I wouldn’t know any of these shows were still on the air were it not for my employment as a cashier at a grocery store. The language of daytime TV is specific to an audience that, to a growing number of people, doesn’t even register. It follows the rise of Donald Trump, whose press briefings are among the highest-rated programs on daytime television, bringing in more viewers than General Hospital and The Bold and the Beautiful. For people whose lives don’t appear in mainstream culture, Trump’s appeal is the same as so-called "trash TV;" it is brash, offensive, and unkind. The real people who watch it can’t see themselves anywhere else.

. . .

Now...troll away. Lots of words from you. Very little supported with anything factual.

 

Edited April 24, 2021 by lazarus

[roobob]

@john lukeGood post and agree. The way things are going the recruitment for police officers will only get harder in the future and numbers will decline...not a good thing for society.

Yes on Chauvin...he was not the perfect cop but everyday he went to work out on the streets to try to make things safer .... a job where situations can turn in an instance which can result in an officer not going home safely to his family that day but could end up on a slab in the morgue.

I find it rather sad some comments aimed at the Police.... how inept they are...they should have done this or that... to them...go and spend some time in the job that they do out on the streets daily you may have a different view.

The ones who criticise  how the Police go about their job...I bet you my bottom dollar if anything happened towards them they would be the first to be running to the Police for assistance.... in this case you call those people nothing but hypocrites.

The way some are going on.... it seems in their minds the Police are the baddies and the crims are the good guys.... a sad reflection on their ideals in life.

Yes there are some bad cops...but overall most are good decent men and women...doing a terrific and at times an unthankful job to make sure all stay safe. 

I for one am thankful that they are out there doing the job they are doing.

cheers

Edited April 24, 2021 by roobob

[roobob]

@lazarus... how about giving the continual offended card and troll line a rest and understand that others have and can have an opinion different to yours. How come when another offers up a different opinion to yours...all we get is a War & Peace post  and virtually saying that if they do not agree with your opinion then they are a troll.

@Mr. Smooth has expressed his opinion.... some will agree....some will not...but all he is doing is expressing his opinion and all you continual do when someone disagrees with you is roll out the troll line.

cheers

 

  

Edited April 24, 2021 by roobob

[GoggoBeast]

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjuxf7MgpfwAhVzwjgGHbsiBo8QFjAAegQIBRAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.statista.com%2Fstatistics%2F585152%2Fpeople-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race%2F&usg=AOvVaw0YAO1jxUX7FZ1kJNX4xhj2

[forqalso]

4 hours ago, Mr. Smooth said:

I don't believe for a minute that any of those jurors were not aware of the media circus surrounding them, nor the online opinions and threats of violence if the jurors didn't render the "right" verdict. They knew that Minneapolis would burn, as well as other cities, and that it all was a matter of their verdict. 

As I already said, Chauvin did what he did and will be punished for it, but that doesn't mean that he won't be successful in getting an appeal.

Chauvin Trial Juror Says She Feared Intimidation at Her Home, Riots If Verdict Wasn't Accepted

Katie Pavlich

|

 @KatiePavlich

|

Posted: Apr 23, 2021 6:00 AM

Source: (AP Photo/Noah Berger)

During an interview with KARE 11 a juror for the trial of ex-Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin, who ultimately found out she was an alternate, expressed concern about being called for the job because she "didn't want to see rioting again" and was scared people would show up at her home if they were unhappy with a particular verdict. 

Raguse: Did you want to be a juror?

Christensen: I had mixed feelings. There was a question on the questionnaire about it and I put I did not know. The reason, at that time, was I did not know what the outcome was going to be, so I felt like either way you are going to disappoint one group or the other. I did not want to go through rioting and destruction again and I was concerned about people coming to my house if they were not happy with the verdict.

Despite a fear of riots, Christensen still believes Chauvin was guilty on all three charges of second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in the death of George Floyd. This was the verdict the jury unanimously handed down Tuesday afternoon.

"Christensen, who lives in the city where a white officer shot and killed a 20-year-old Black man during a traffic stop this month, said that if she had been part of deliberations, she would've found Chauvin guilty. But Christensen had no idea that she was one of two alternates until the judge dismissed her right before the 12 jurors were sequestered," KARE 11 reports. 

After closing arguments on Monday, Chauvin's attorneys asked the judge for the case to declare a mistrial after Democrat Congresswoman Maxine Waters called for violent rioters to get "more confrontational" if a guilty verdict wasn't reached. While the judge denied the request, he said they may have a case if they file an appeal. 

Recommended

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/posts-mislead-on-words-of-alternate-juror-in-chauvin-trial/

[lazarus]

1 hour ago, roobob said:

@lazarus... how about giving the continual offended card and troll line a rest and understand that others have and can have an opinion different to yours. How come when another offers up a different opinion to yours...all we get is a War & Peace post  and virtually saying that if they do not agree with your opinion then they are a troll.

@Mr. Smooth has expressed his opinion.... some will agree....some will not...but all he is doing is expressing his opinion and all you continual do when someone disagrees with you is roll out the troll line.

cheers

 

  

How about you mind your own business and let slinky speak for himself. He always does.

But, then again, you two make a good couple...looking out for each other. Nice touch there.

[roobob]

3 minutes ago, lazarus said:

How about you mind your own business and let slinky speak for himself. He always does.

But, then again, you two make a good couple...looking out for each other. Nice touch there.

I have a few American friends and they once explained to me the term of a Sad Sack..... I now fully understand where they were coming from.

cheers

[lazarus]

11 minutes ago, roobob said:

I have a few American friends and they once explained to me the term of a Sad Sack..... I now fully understand where they were coming from.

cheers

Just can't help yourself can ya?

There's better American expression you should learn...actually...just look in the mirror.

Prick with ears.

[Mrmango]

7 hours ago, KWA said:

Rather than more training for the police, which future administrations would probably remove anyway, couldn't they use the money to provide education and jobs to move the gun toting, drug dealing black communities to a position where these attributes are not required?

The problem with your logic is that the education system in the US is totally f***d up. High school grads cannot read their diploma or do simple math. Most US public schools are simply day care, rather than education.

You need to fix the education system first.

[Horizondave]

I really didn't want to come in on this thread and I will keep well away as I am thinking this is what it must be like to be on the politics threads, really combative which doesn't really work for me.

[Mr. Smooth]

3 hours ago, forqalso said:

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/posts-mislead-on-words-of-alternate-juror-in-chauvin-trial/

Yes, I read the "fact check" opinion on the article. Since factcheck.org works in conjunction with FB to allegedly ferret out what might be false, or less than true, statements on social media, what the alternate juror admitted to, be it in the questionaire or after the fact, doesn't diminish the fact that mob intimidation couldn't be dismissed as an outside influence in their decision, to de-escalate any mob violence and rioting if the verdict didn't go their way.

This isn't meant to be a knock on the jury at all. They were placed in an impossibly tough position and as the evidence came out, to me most notably was the little girl's testimony and the police (chief's ?) testimony, were the final nails in the coffin for Chauvin. My remarks only are dealing with what would have most certainly happened with the mob violence that would have taken place had anything but a guilty verdict been rendered. I have to believe, despite what some fact checker writes, that those jurors had to have been aware of those outside forces.

Regardless, the penalty phase will be coming up in late May or early June, when yet another mob will gather 'round the old courthouse to demand the harshest sentence possible. I'll be curious how the judge will sentence Chauvin once all the people who will have their say on the matter. You can bet the same media will be there reporting live with the same edge of their seat anticipation of how long the sentence will be as they were for the verdict. If it's not the max, then those downtown businesses better keep that plyboard handy.

 

[Mr. Smooth]

4 hours ago, GoggoBeast said:

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjuxf7MgpfwAhVzwjgGHbsiBo8QFjAAegQIBRAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.statista.com%2Fstatistics%2F585152%2Fpeople-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race%2F&usg=AOvVaw0YAO1jxUX7FZ1kJNX4xhj2

These stats, probably derived from the FBI, should debunk the myth that race baiters and media commentators on leftist cable news networks are always going on about that America suffers from "systemic racist policing" and that there needs to be a complete overhaul of how LE does their job. There were 457 white people shot by cops in 2020, and I bet LeBron James doesn't know the name of any of them. Nor does Al Sharpton or Benjamin Crump. No one taking a knee for them.

The last thing a cop wants to do is shoot another person. When my father was a cop, after watching one particular cop show where every week the bad guy got killed, I asked him how many times he had to draw his gun while on duty? At the time he was about halfway through a 30 year career, and in all those years up till then, he had to actually take his gun out of his holster 4 times, and thankfully, never having the need to use deadly force on a suspect.

Unlike Dirty Harry or some other tough guy cop in a movie or tv show, real cops are humans and only as a last resort, do they take the action they do if drawing their weapon. The LAST thing they want to do is pull that trigger. I feel so bad for that cop in Columbus, Ohio who had less than a second to make that judgment call to fire his gun at that teen girl with a knife, a deadly weapon, who was about to plunge it into the other girl. By doing what he did, that cop saved her life by killing another, and despite the video that will show he made the right call, it will be something he will live with for the rest of his life. 

 

 

[forqalso]

“Although Black people represented 12 percent of the population in the states we studied, they made up 25 percent of the deaths in police shootings,” Miller says.

By comparison, Miller says, white people represented 62 percent of the population—and made up 54 percent of the deaths in encounters with police. From: https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/07/16/the-research-is-clear-white-people-are-not-more-likely-than-black-people-to-be-killed-by-police/

[Nickrock]

I believe he was guilty before he went to court politically they couldn't allow any other decision 

The president reaching out to talk to the Floyd family sent a big message

[KWA]

1 hour ago, Kathmandu said:

It is comments like these, where a murderer deserves a free pass . . . . .

I didn't read that in either of the posts.  I read that streetwise police are a good thing to have, although Chauvin took that too far.

[Mr. Smooth]

1 hour ago, Kathmandu said:

 

It is comments like these, where a murderer deserves a free pass, that shows who really is sick in the head. You two need a good can of whoop ass unleashed upon you.

So Kathmandu posts a total mischaracterization in his response of what two other bm's posted and openly wishes for each of them to suffer a bodily assault by an unknown assailant, simply because their views do not adhere to what Kat thinks.

This personal attack of bm's by another is a clear board violation and perhaps a mod can have a word with Kat to set him straight on the matter.

Way to go there, Kat. So much for using the power of logic and ideas to win the hearts and minds of others to come around to your side of an argument.

You owe both roobob and john luke an apology for your adolescent and uncalled for threats.

Stand up an be a man.