David Amess MP

[coxyhog]

My ex-landlady with whom I stayed when working at Southend airport has posted on FB that she knew him & that he was a very decent man.
Murdered by 'a British citizen of Somali descent'.

 

[Derek Dangleberries]

Poor chap, stabbed to death just doing his job. RIP.

Imagine the rioting in the streets now if David Lammy or Diane Abacus were murdered by a white bloke.

[Evil Penevil]

Very sad news.  RIP.  Apparently he wasn't a controversial MP.  Everyone keep telling yourself Islam is the religion of peace.

Fatal stabbing of U.K. lawmaker declared a terrorist incident by police

London's Metropolitan Police Department has declared the fatal stabbing of British lawmaker David Amess a terrorist incident. Amess died earlier Friday after he was stabbed multiple times while meeting with constituents in southern England. 

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Dean Haydon, who is also the Senior National Coordinator for Counter Terrorism Policing, formally declared the incident as terrorism, the police department said in a statement. The department also said a preliminary investigation "has revealed a potential motivation linked to Islamist extremism." 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fatal-stabbing-of-uk-lawmaker-declared-a-terrorist-incident-by-police/ar-AAPAfDm

[galenkia]

Terrible thing to happen to a man serving the local people. 

RIP Sir David. 

We are lucky to have the access to our parliamentary representatives so freely, but this will once again raise concerns over the security of them doing so. Shades of Jo Cox again,though that was by a far right extremist. Hopefully it won't restrict access to them too much as they are a vital resource for local people needing help with their concerns. 

[coxyhog]

If this bloke has a UK passport then he's been here a while but if our MP's have any regards for our safety and their own then they need to stop the illegals from coming over from Europe.God knows how many wannabe jihadi warriors we've let into our country.

[Phantom51red]

17 minutes ago, coxyhog said:

If this bloke has a UK passport then he's been here a while but if our MP's have any regards for our safety and their own then they need to stop the illegals from coming over from Europe.God knows how many wannabe jihadi warriors we've let into our country.

17000 + Already this year thats just unreturned ones entered into system,fs french police not only watch them leave for the uk on their banana boats they also supppy them with hi viz vests ! The uk give few milion every year to france to stop this, big corruption big pockets.

[Butch]

On some left wing platforms the usual apologists trotting out that mentioning his colour or where he came from originally is racist - which of course it clearly is not, but they won't let facts get in the way of a good bit of virtue signalling. I'm just waiting for the BBC to call him a "promising young footballer" who was "failed by the system".

Bottom line, an Immigrant had murdered a father of 5, a public servant doing his job which he could have retired from a few years ago.

Some other forums are citing the "tory are scum, racist, homophobic, misogynist" quotes made by Angela Rayner a few weeks ago being a potential catalyst for this attack, but that is yet to be established. It probably doesn't take much for a nut job to be motivated these days. This is however speculative at the moment.

https://www.effiedeans.com/2021/10/only-terrorist-is-guilty.html

[Evil Penevil]

Has there been much reaction to this Tweet on the Mayor of London's official site?

In the U.S., it would be considered extremely disrespectful to refer to someone who had been murdered, much less assassinated, as having "passed away."  If any mayor in the U.S. had written George Floyd had "passed away," it would have been an instant career-ender.  I also read Khan has not condemned terrorism or political extremism  in connection with the assassination of Sir David Amess.    

Evil

Edited October 17, 2021 by Evil Penevil

[Krapow]

First i've seen it.

While no fan of our Mayor, i think you're reading too much into that tweet.

[Stillearly]

37 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Has there been much reaction to this Tweet on the Mayor of London's official site?

In the U.S., it would be considered extremely disrespectful to refer to someone who had been murdered, much less assassinated, as having "passed away."  If any mayor in the U.S. had written George Floyd had "passed away," it would have been an instant career-ender.  I also read Khan has not condemned terrorism or political extremism  in connection with the assassination of Sir David Amess.    

Evil

 

[Evil Penevil]

Happy to see Khan has updated the site to include a condemnation of terrorism.  I guess there was some pressure on him.

Evil

[Stillearly]

7 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Happy to see Khan has updated the site to include a condemnation of terrorism.  I guess there was some pressure on him.

Evil

No , he waited for confirmation from the police as any responsible politician or media outlet should do .. 

[Evil Penevil]

On 10/17/2021 at 6:02 AM, Stillearly said:

No , he waited for confirmation from the police as any responsible politician or media outlet should do .. 

Confirmation had come Friday evening, within a few hours of Sir David's death.   

In any case, the circumstances of the attack- stabbed in a church during a visit with constituents- were immediately known and clearly pointed to political violence even if the exact motive wasn't certain at that point.  To use the term "passed away" rather than "murder" or "assassination" seemed to downplay the killing.  Khan's initial response seemed far less vehement than what he Tweeted immediately after Sasha Johnson was shot.

The following is an interesting opinion piece from The Wall Street Journal.  I want to stress it's opinion and NOT a news article.  I posted it in full because it's behind a paywall.

Evil

The murder on Friday of Member of Parliament David Amess as he met with constituents has shocked Britain, and it ought to concern other Western democracies too. It’s the first assassination of a British political figure by an apparent Islamist that we can recall, and it raises troubling questions about assimilation and democratic norms.

Amess, a 69-year-old Tory MP for Essex east of London, was among the most well-liked and respected backbenchers. His service extended to the Thatcher era and he had assisted refugees from the world’s many despotisms. He was attacked in a church during his regular Friday constituent meeting. He was killed, in other words, doing the normal open business of representative democracy.

Media reports identify his killer as Ali Harbi Ali, a 25-year-old British citizen of Somali heritage. He was waiting in a line of constituents when he stabbed Amess multiple times with a knife. Police are calling the assassination an act of domestic terrorism and are investigating Mr. Ali for radical Islamic sympathies or links.

The BBC reports that Mr. Ali, who is under arrest, was not on the MI5 “subjects of interest” list, but he had been referred to the counterterror Prevent program that aims to stop radicalization.

There have been other attacks on politicians in the U.K. and U.S. that are unrelated to Islamists. A far-right assailant killed Labour MP Jo Cox in a knife and gun assault in 2016. A Bernie Sanders sympathizer opened fire on Republican House Members practicing for their annual baseball game in 2017 and nearly killed Rep. Steve Scalise.

But if Mr. Ali’s attack was motivated by extremist Islamic ideology, it will revive concerns about radicalization. Is he an immigrant himself, or a second-generation immigrant who became radicalized in the U.K.? Was Mr. Ali associated with an Islamist mosque or preacher? Radical Islam is at war with Western values, views jihad as a sacred cause, and exploits the openness of democratic societies to spread terror and kill the innocent.

British political figures were split over the weekend on what kind of security to provide MPs going forward. At least one Tory recommended suspending the in-person constituent meetings known as “surgeries.” Others, including Home secretary Priti Patel, said such acts of terror shouldn’t be allowed to end the accessibility and openness that are hallmarks of British democracy.

Our instincts lean to Ms. Patel’s view, but then the country’s security services and political culture will have to do a better job of addressing the spread of Islamic radicalism.

Copyright ©2021 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. 
Appeared in the October 18, 2021, print edition.

Edited October 18, 2021 by Evil Penevil

[Stillearly]

2 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Confirmation had come Friday evening, within a few hours of Sir David's death.   

In any case, the circumstances of the attack- stabbed in a church during a visit with constituents- were immediately known and clearly pointed to political violence even if the exact motive wasn't certain at that point.  To use the term "passed away" rather than "murder" or "assassination" seemed to downplay the killing.  Khan's initial response seemed far less vehement than what he Tweeted immediately after Sasha Johnson was shot.

The following is an interesting opinion piece from The Wall Street Journal.  I want to stress it's opinion and NOT a news article.  I posted it in full because it's behind a paywall.

Evil

The murder on Friday of Member of Parliament David Amess as he met with constituents has shocked Britain, and it ought to concern other Western democracies too. It’s the first assassination of a British political figure by an apparent Islamist that we can recall, and it raises troubling questions about assimilation and democratic norms.

Amess, a 69-year-old Tory MP for Essex east of London, was among the most well-liked and respected backbenchers. His service extended to the Thatcher era and he had assisted refugees from the world’s many despotisms. He was attacked in a church during his regular Friday constituent meeting. He was killed, in other words, doing the normal open business of representative democracy.

Media reports identify his killer as Ali Harbi Ali, a 25-year-old British citizen of Somali heritage. He was waiting in a line of constituents when he stabbed Amess multiple times with a knife. Police are calling the assassination an act of domestic terrorism and are investigating Mr. Ali for radical Islamic sympathies or links.

The BBC reports that Mr. Ali, who is under arrest, was not on the MI5 “subjects of interest” list, but he had been referred to the counterterror Prevent program that aims to stop radicalization.

There have been other attacks on politicians in the U.K. and U.S. that are unrelated to Islamists. A far-right assailant killed Labour MP Jo Cox in a knife and gun assault in 2016. A Bernie Sanders sympathizer opened fire on Republican House Members practicing for their annual baseball game in 2017 and nearly killed Rep. Steve Scalise.

But if Mr. Ali’s attack was motivated by extremist Islamic ideology, it will revive concerns about radicalization. Is he an immigrant himself, or a second-generation immigrant who became radicalized in the U.K.? Was Mr. Ali associated with an Islamist mosque or preacher? Radical Islam is at war with Western values, views jihad as a sacred cause, and exploits the openness of democratic societies to spread terror and kill the innocent.

British political figures were split over the weekend on what kind of security to provide MPs going forward. At least one Tory recommended suspending the in-person constituent meetings known as “surgeries.” Others, including Home secretary Priti Patel, said such acts of terror shouldn’t be allowed to end the accessibility and openness that are hallmarks of British democracy.

Our instincts lean to Ms. Patel’s view, but then the country’s security services and political culture will have to do a better job of addressing the spread of Islamic radicalism.

Copyright ©2021 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. 
Appeared in the October 18, 2021, print edition.

Wrong again

Time differences... the statement released at 00:07 U.K. time on 16th , 12 hours after the murder , the tweet you posted I assume is US time , when I look at it on my Twitter it was posted at 01:10 on the 16th 

https://news.met.police.uk/news/counter-terrorism-command-leading-investigation-into-sir-david-amess-murder-435677

Obviously there were rumours around earlier, but the police had not confirmed anything 

 

 

 

 

 

[Stillearly]

Southend to become a City as tribute to David Amess 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/16457711/southend-will-become-a-city-in-tribute/

[Butch]

3 hours ago, Stillearly said:

Southend to become a City as tribute to David Amess 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/16457711/southend-will-become-a-city-in-tribute/

Fitting and kind tribute.

There's some very good common sense coming out of the Labour benches over this, one or two Labour MP's calling for less hatred and the end to the "I've never kissed a Tory" boast currently doing the rounds on the far left / momentum type areas of the party (seen as a badge of honour by some, the same people who applauded Angela Rayners "Scum" speech referring to Tory MP's).

Noteable was the widower of Jo Cox who also called for an end to the divisive and poisonous vitriol which is creeping into Politics lately.

Most fingers are pointing towards Angela Rayner for using and thus encouraging such aggressive rhetoric recently, although whether or not this has had any bearing upon the actions of the murderer of David Amess is yet to be established.

Interesting Daily Mail article by Dan Wooton:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10104509/DAN-WOOTTON-politicians-said-David-Amess-murder-misdirection.html

[nampla69]

East End boy born in Plaistow loved West Ham and of course Southend.

Butch's post is really good above ..... 

[AJSP]

2 hours ago, Butch said:

Fitting and kind tribute.

There's some very good common sense coming out of the Labour benches over this, one or two Labour MP's calling for less hatred and the end to the "I've never kissed a Tory" boast currently doing the rounds on the far left / momentum type areas of the party (seen as a badge of honour by some, the same people who applauded Angela Rayners "Scum" speech referring to Tory MP's).

Noteable was the widower of Jo Cox who also called for an end to the divisive and poisonous vitriol which is creeping into Politics lately.

Most fingers are pointing towards Angela Rayner for using and thus encouraging such aggressive rhetoric recently, although whether or not this has had any bearing upon the actions of the murderer of David Amess is yet to be established.

Interesting Daily Mail article by Dan Wooton:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10104509/DAN-WOOTTON-politicians-said-David-Amess-murder-misdirection.html

I read that article just now and he speaks a lot of sense. 

[galenkia]

This is the culprit then. 

[coxyhog]

[Evil Penevil]

This isn't encouraging news.  It underscores the difficulty security forces have in identifying violence-prone terrorists who otherwise live a quiet life beneath the radar.

Evil

From The Guardian:

Suspect in David Amess MP killing plotted attack for years, court hears

Ali Harbi Ali visited Houses of Parliament, an MP’s home and another constituency surgery, say prosecutors

The suspect in the killing of the MP David Amess prepared terrorist acts over more than two years, it was alleged in court on Thursday.

Prosecutors claimed that Ali Harbi Ali, 25, visited the Houses of Parliament, an MP’s home and another constituency surgery as part of reconnaissance for a potential attack.

He was charged with the murder of the Conservative MP last week and the preparation of terrorist acts. Prosecutors said Ali was suspected of affiliation to the so-called Islamic State terror group and intended to be shot by officers after killing Amess.

Ali made a brief appearance at Westminster magistrates court on Thursday afternoon. Wearing a grey tracksuit and dark-rimmed glasses, he spoke to confirm his name, date of birth and north London address.

The prosecutor, James Cable, said it was the prosecution case that Ali made an appointment to speak to Amess during his regular constituency surgery with the intention of murdering him on 15 October. He was told he was being charged with murder and preparation of terrorist acts. Cable told the court that the terror charge was an “associated charge to the murder”.

He was accused of “engaging in reconnaissance of locations of targets to attack, including addresses associated with members of parliament and the Houses of Parliament, and engaging in internet research relating to targets to attack” between 1 May 2019 and 28 September 2021.

The chief magistrate, Paul Goldspring, said the severity of the allegations meant it was not within his power to grant bail and told Ali he was to be remanded in custody and sent to the central criminal court for trial.

He is due to appear at the Old Bailey on Friday. Ali’s lawyer, Kevin Toomey, was not asked to indicate how his client intended to plead during Thursday’s 13-minute hearing.

Amess was stabbed to death at a surgery for his constituents in a church in Leigh-on-Sea, Essex, on Friday last week. The killing triggered a review of MPs’ security.

After the charges against Ali were announced, the Crown Prosecution Service released a statement explaining: “Some offences, including murder, can be classed as having ‘a terrorist connection’ to ensure the criminal charges properly reflect the conduct concerned. In these cases the individuals have had political, religious, racial and/or ideological motivations behind their crime.”

[Aqualung]

[Derek Dangleberries]

2 hours ago, Aqualung said:

His brothers, Sheet Indewata and Barf Indewata, will be captaining the lifeboats.

Unfortunately he doesn't have a Welsh cousin Dai Indewata

Edited October 21, 2021 by Derek Dangleberries