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11 hours ago, KhunDon said:

Did the calculations on what “fuel” in the form of electricity has cost over the last 40,000 miles that it’s done in the 2 years we’ve had it. 
Worked out at 1 pence per mile.

The problem with comparing fuel to power is the fuel price includes all kinds of taxes for roadworks etc. and electricity has no fees for such.

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We pay 5% Vat on all electric used in our homes here in the UK, including any used to charge EV’s at home.
With electricity costs having tripled over the last couple of years and due to rocket again twice this year, that VAT figure is a big chunk of the extra costs each month. 😟


Fuel (petrol and diesel) has various extras added to the price  53pence a Ltr fuel duty, + 20% VAT on the pre tax price per Ltr and a further 10.59p per Ltr for VAT @20%on fuel duty.

I think I’ve got the above numbers correct.🥺

Most of the taxes raised in fuel don’t go anywhere near our road repairs, neither does Vehicle Excise Duty (various amounts depending on price and engine size, that we have to pay when buying a new car and in subsequent years to lawfully drive them on UK roads) so much is wasted by government on various projects. In other words, thrown straight down the drain. 😡

 

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Forgot to mention that we also pay an Electric Standing Charge per day of anything up too 45p which I assume goes towards the upkeep of the National Electricity Grid used to carry power from the power Generator to my home. 
Same applies to Gas. 

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Once the growth of EV's becomes a problem for governments with the lost revenue, they will simply introduce new taxes and charges to recover that cash.

EV owners should enjoy the holiday while they can, I can't see it lasting for too long. 

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On 5/5/2023 at 10:57 PM, KhunDon said:

We pay 5% Vat on all electric used in our homes here in the UK, including any used to charge EV’s at home.
With electricity costs having tripled over the last couple of years and due to rocket again twice this year.

Fuel prices are cheaper now then before the Ukraine conflict, the price cap is expected to drop in July to £2000

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Try telling that to the thousands of business owners that have gone out of business over the last 2 years. Not to mention the millions of homeowners who simply can’t afford their fuel bills.
Yes they are dropping, but it’s going to be too slow for many people. 
My electric and gas are due to triple in middle of May and many fuel companies are reporting £4 Billion in profits for the first quarter of 2023. 🥺

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On 5/6/2023 at 6:15 AM, biggles said:

Once the growth of EV's becomes a problem for governments with the lost revenue, they will simply introduce new taxes and charges to recover that cash.

EV owners should enjoy the holiday while they can, I can't see it lasting for too long. 

Well, considering it’s a problem they in part created by banning petrol and diesel cars from 2035.

Yes we need to do more for the environment, but EV’s are way too expensive for many households to buy new. 
I have no problem paying VED on my EV, I just wish it was ring fenced for roads, but it’s not, it’s spazzed up the wall on grandiose government schemes, or making good spectacular £40 Billion f**k ups like the last Prime Minister and Chancellor caused. 😡

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On 5/7/2023 at 4:27 PM, KhunDon said:

Yes we need to do more for the environment, but EV’s are way too expensive for many households to buy new.

Correct, and it's not even clear how much EVs help the environment, or reduce net carbon emissions, if at all.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/electric-vehicles-and-carbon-emissions

"The rush to subsidize and mandate EVs is animated by a fatal conceit: the assumption that they will radically reduce CO2 emissions. That assumption is embedded orthodoxy not just among green pundits and administrators of the regulatory state but also among EV critics, who take issue with a forced transition mainly on grounds of lost freedoms, costs, and market distortions.

But the truth is, because of the nature of uncertainties in global industrial ecosystems, no one really knows how much widespread adoption of EVs could reduce emissions, or whether they might even increase them. (And no, this has nothing to do with the truth / joke that Teslas are coal-fired when fueled at night in many places.) While grid realities will indeed matter more than most realize, the relevant and surprising emissions wildcard comes from the gargantuan, energy-hungry processes needed to make EV batteries. This is one of those technical issues that tends to attract slogans, simplifications, and illusions of accuracy; a better understanding requires some patience.

EV emissions realities start with physics. To match the energy stored in one pound of oil requires 15 pounds of lithium battery, which in turn entails digging up about 7,000 pounds of rock and dirt to get the minerals needed—lithium, graphite, copper, nickel, aluminum, zinc, neodymium, manganese, and so on. Thus, fabricating a typical, single half-ton EV battery requires mining and processing about 250 tons of materials. (These figures hold roughly true for all lithium chemistries.) For the carbon-counters tracking such things, the global mining and minerals sector uses 40 percent of all industrial energy—dominated by oil, coal, and natural gas—and that’s before we take into consideration the massive expansion that would be required to supply all the battery factories planned for widespread EV adoption."

More at link, including links to external sources.

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13 hours ago, Golfingboy said:

This guy had confidence in the weather…..

Yesterday we popped into our local after a workout, and I left the windows and sunroof cracked because the weather was quite warm, in the 80s F even at ~6 PM.  Absolutely deluged with rain about an hour later.  Fortunately, only her seat was wet.  :default_biggrin:

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The vehicle was parked at the York Air Museum in York.  I did ask and was granted permission to take photographs by its owner. 

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A little research shows it appeared in Peaky Blinders TV Series starting on 25th August 2019.

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