COVID 19 GLOBAL

[Krapow]

5 minutes ago, Nightcrawler said:

There is an article in the Daily  Express that suggests that everyone in the UK could receive a C19 vaccine by Christmas of this year according to Oxford University

The micro chip, man, oh no, just when you thought 2020 couldn't get any worse ...

[Nightcrawler]

There is still little known as to how effective it will be or how long it will be effective for but it will create C19 antibodies to assist the body to fight off an infection.

Of course it won't be mandatory like the flu vaccination but first in line will be the elderly and most vulnerable but it is a step in the right direction 

 

 

[Bazle]

1 hour ago, Nightcrawler said:

There is still little known as to how effective it will be or how long it will be effective for but it will create C19 antibodies to assist the body to fight off an infection.

Of course it won't be mandatory like the flu vaccination but first in line will be the elderly and most vulnerable but it is a step in the right direction 

IIRC, there was concern that the vaccine might protect someone from the symptoms of Covid-19 but would not stop them being infectious to others.

[nampla69]

Daily Express ...........  ........... used to be a Fleet Street newspaper once upon a time. 

[Nightcrawler]

54 minutes ago, Bazle said:

IIRC, there was concern that the vaccine might protect thesomeone from the symptoms of Covid-19 but would not stop them being infectious to others.

That may or may not be the case . This still a way to go.

But personally speaking, I think I would rather see a vaccine than just waiting until everyone has had the virus including those who die. The current measures are slowing down the spread of the virus but it won't kill it. It's a compromise at the moment between health and the economy.

Even with a vaccine it won't go away over night. 

Millions have been invested in research both in UK/US /China and several other countries.i hope it pays off in putting an end to the Pandemic and that we never have to go through the turmoil that we have all been through during the last four months.

Even if there is an effective vaccine available by the end of the year, we must be hopeful that there is not a spoke causing a second wave before then. Fingers crossed

 

 

 

[Ivan the terrible]

55 minutes ago, nampla69 said:

Daily Express ...........  ........... used to be a Fleet Street newspaper once upon a time. 

wonderful street next to my alma mata ///many a discussion over a curry

Edited June 14, 2020 by Ivan the terrible

[Ivan the terrible]

1 hour ago, Bazle said:

IIRC, there was concern that the vaccine might protect someone from the symptoms of Covid-19 but would not stop them being infectious to others.

that is irrational....if you dont get you cannot spread it

[coxyhog]

2 hours ago, Nightcrawler said:

There is still little known as to how effective it will be or how long it will be effective for but it will create C19 antibodies to assist the body to fight off an infection.

Of course it won't be mandatory like the flu vaccination but first in line will be the elderly and most vulnerable but it is a step in the right directio

 

I don't think the flu jab is mandatory,at least it isn't in the UK.

Edited June 14, 2020 by coxyhog

[fygjam]

5 minutes ago, Ivan the terrible said:

that is irrational....if you dont get you cannot spread it

A successful vaccine does not necessarily guarantee sterilising immunity.

Sterilizing immunity is a unique immune status, which prevents effective virus infection into the
host. It is different from the immunity that allows infection but with subsequent successful
eradication of the virus.

 

 

[Ivan the terrible]

2 minutes ago, fygjam said:

A successful vaccine does not necessarily guarantee sterilising immunity.

Sterilizing immunity is a unique immune status, which prevents effective virus infection into the
host. It is different from the immunity that allows infection but with subsequent successful
eradication of the virus.

 

 

papers and studjes?

[Ivan the terrible]

3 hours ago, Krapow said:

The micro chip, man, oh no, just when you thought 2020 couldn't get any worse ...

AZ are going all in

[fygjam]

2 minutes ago, Ivan the terrible said:

papers and studjes?

Just enter sterilizing immunity into google and take your choice.

 

[Ivan the terrible]

1 minute ago, fygjam said:

Just enter sterilizing immunity into google and take your choice.

 

dont belive it

[fygjam]

1 minute ago, Ivan the terrible said:

dont belive it

Up to you, if you're too lazy to look then it's just wilful ignorance.

 

 

[fygjam]

For the lazy ones...

The world needs Covid-19 vaccines. It may also be overestimating their power

With a little luck and a lot of science, the world might in the not-too
distant future get vaccines against Covid-19. But those vaccines won’t
necessarily prevent all or even most infections.

In the public imagination, vaccines are often seen effectively as curealls,
like inoculations against measles.

Rather than those vaccines, however, the Covid-19 vaccines in
development may be more like those that protect against influenza
— reducing the risk of contracting the disease, and of experiencing
severe symptoms should infection occur, a number of experts told STAT.

“We all recognize that flu vaccine, in a year when it’s efficacious, you
have what, 50% protection? And in a year when it’s poor you have 30%
or less than that — and still we use that,” said Marie-Paule Kieny, who
is chairing a committee advising the French government on vaccines to
prevent Covid-19.

Ideally, vaccines would prevent infection entirely, inducing what’s
known as “sterilizing immunity.” But early work on some of the vaccine
candidates suggests they may not stop infection in the upper respiratory
tract — and they may not stop an infected person from spreading virus
by coughing or speaking.

A recently released study in which macaques were vaccinated with one
vaccine candidate — this one being developed by Oxford University and
AstraZeneca — showed the primates were protected from Covid induced
pneumonia. But the macaques still had high levels of virus
replicating in their upper airways. (The paper was a pre-print, meaning it
hasn’t yet been peer-reviewed and published in a journal.)

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/22/the-world-needs-covid-19-vaccines-it-may-also-be-overestimating-their-power/

 

[nampla69]

7 hours ago, fygjam said:

For the lazy ones...

The world needs Covid-19 vaccines. It may also be overestimating their power

With a little luck and a lot of science, the world might in the not-too
distant future get vaccines against Covid-19. But those vaccines won’t
necessarily prevent all or even most infections.

In the public imagination, vaccines are often seen effectively as curealls,
like inoculations against measles.

Rather than those vaccines, however, the Covid-19 vaccines in
development may be more like those that protect against influenza
— reducing the risk of contracting the disease, and of experiencing
severe symptoms should infection occur, a number of experts told STAT.

“We all recognize that flu vaccine, in a year when it’s efficacious, you
have what, 50% protection? And in a year when it’s poor you have 30%
or less than that — and still we use that,” said Marie-Paule Kieny, who
is chairing a committee advising the French government on vaccines to
prevent Covid-19.

Ideally, vaccines would prevent infection entirely, inducing what’s
known as “sterilizing immunity.” But early work on some of the vaccine
candidates suggests they may not stop infection in the upper respiratory
tract — and they may not stop an infected person from spreading virus
by coughing or speaking.

A recently released study in which macaques were vaccinated with one
vaccine candidate — this one being developed by Oxford University and
AstraZeneca — showed the primates were protected from Covid induced
pneumonia. But the macaques still had high levels of virus
replicating in their upper airways. (The paper was a pre-print, meaning it
hasn’t yet been peer-reviewed and published in a journal.)

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/22/the-world-needs-covid-19-vaccines-it-may-also-be-overestimating-their-power/

 

As one of the macaques might have said : "Well bugger that for a game of soldiers"

Never understood that expression but still feel sorry for the old wheezy macaques. 

[lazarus]

Makes sense..?

[dcfc2007]

Lots of new infections in Beijing. 

[Bazle]

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/198238/declines-covid-19-cases-herd-immunity-says/

There is no evidence that declines in transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus in some countries are the result of herd immunity, says new analysis.

by Laura Gallagher 12 June 2020

Herd immunity is achieved when a significant proportion of the population is protected from infection, either through becoming immune following a previous infection, or through other natural means, such as cross protection from exposure to related viruses, or through a vaccination programme.

The authors of the new article, from Imperial College London and the University of Oxford, looked at whether the observed decline in COVID-19 cases and deaths in many countries in Europe, North America and parts of Asia could be the result of herd immunity. If this was the case, there would be roughly similar rates of COVID-19 mortality, and levels of antibodies to the coronavirus across different countries. It would also imply that the virus might have a low fatality rate, as the deaths recorded would only make up a small proportion of those who had been infected.

However, the researchers found little evidence for herd immunity and concluded that the decline in cases and deaths was a result of lockdowns, behavioural shifts, social distancing and other interventions. This means that the epidemic is still at a relatively early stage and that a large proportion of the population in these areas remain susceptible to the virus. The authors suggest that no country has yet seen infection rates sufficient to prevent a second wave of transmission if lockdowns and social distancing measures were relaxed without other measures in place.

The authors also conclude from data on deaths and antibody levels from Europe that the infection fatality rate is high, at between 0.5 – 1 percent, compared with less than 0.1 percent fatality rate for seasonal flu.

(NB My emphasis)

[Krapow]

I don't know man, every time I now see anything from the Imperial College I'm sceptical. 

Not saying this article in particular, but in general. 

Edited June 15, 2020 by Krapow

[dcfc2007]

The first passenger flight in months departed Belfast International Airport this morning. This absolute farce is coming to an end. 

[Krapow]

4 hours ago, dcfc2007 said:

The first passenger flight in months departed Belfast International Airport this morning. This absolute farce is coming to an end. 

Bar's open from the 3rd!

[dcfc2007]

Just now, Krapow said:

Bar's open from the 3rd!

Fantastic news. 

Northern Ireland has handled this farce fantastically, we never even had a 'peak' as such. 

The folks on the hill don't get much credit, neither do they deserve much, but in this case they have done a great job. 

Fair play. 

[Krapow]

Just now, dcfc2007 said:

Fantastic news. 

Northern Ireland has handled this farce fantastically, we never even had a 'peak' as such. 

The folks on the hill don't get much credit, neither do they deserve much, but in this case they have done a great job. 

Fair play. 

Tourist industry will get a boost as well, Glens of Antrim with a pint etc, what's not to like!

[dcfc2007]

2 minutes ago, Krapow said:

Tourist industry will get a boost as well, Glens of Antrim with a pint etc, what's not to like!

There's still the utterly absurd 14 day quarantine requirement, however, I give it until the end of August and that's gone.