COVID 19 GLOBAL

[Krapow]

5 minutes ago, KWA said:

Note the footballers are being asked to defer their wages, which means they'll get them back later.  The poor sods that are being furloughed won't be getting their wages topped up when things get back to normal.

Obscene!

[Krapow]

[galenkia]

9 minutes ago, KWA said:

Note the footballers are being asked to defer their wages, which means they'll get them back later.  The poor sods that are being furloughed won't be getting their wages topped up when things get back to normal.

As per usual the working man and woman gets shat on again. 

[Krapow]

New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo is speaking now. His state remains the epicentre of the outbreak in the US.

Cuomo says the state has now seen the "highest single [day] increase in the number of deaths since we started: 2,900 from 2,300."

[Esco]

3 hours ago, Krapow said:

Obscene!

Their wages have always been obscene. What's changed? 

[Krapow]

Just now, Esco said:

Their wages have always been obscene. What's changed? 

That the much, much lower payed people in the business are being forced to take a pay cut, but the actual footballers on obscene wages are not.

The are eventually, being 'asked'. 

[Stillearly]

9 minutes ago, Esco said:

Their wages have always been obscene. What's changed? 

Nothing , they are being used as a distraction 

[dcfc2007]

3 hours ago, galenkia said:

As per usual the working man and woman gets shat on again. 

You ain't seen nothing yet mate. Just wait and see the tax increases after this is over. Alongside stagnant wages for another decade and increasing inflation the ordinary working class will be crucified.

 

[dcfc2007]

The greatest PM this country never had.

[Spacedog]

11 minutes ago, dcfc2007 said:

You ain't seen nothing yet mate. Just wait and see the tax increases after this is over. Alongside stagnant wages for another decade and increasing inflation the ordinary working class will be crucified.

 

Couldn’t agree more. The average man is just Stating a nightmare journey, going to get screwed at both ends.

HMG will be raising taxes and NI as soon as this is over, desperate to try to reduce the enormous deficit they are creating.

Secondly big business will keep any wage increase if any to an absolute minimum as they try to improve their balance sheets and keep the shareholders happy.

You thought the stagnation was bad after the financial crisis 2008. That was mild in comparison to this. I reckon it will be at least 10 years before the average man will be back to the equivalent earnings of 2019

[dcfc2007]

1 hour ago, Spacedog said:

Couldn’t agree more. The average man is just Stating a nightmare journey, going to get screwed at both ends.

HMG will be raising taxes and NI as soon as this is over, desperate to try to reduce the enormous deficit they are creating.

Secondly big business will keep any wage increase if any to an absolute minimum as they try to improve their balance sheets and keep the shareholders happy.

You thought the stagnation was bad after the financial crisis 2008. That was mild in comparison to this. I reckon it will be at least 10 years before the average man will be back to the equivalent earnings of 2019

It will be much longer than that. It was only last year that UK wages seen significant rises, the first time since the 08 crash. If the UK continues its current approach to Covid19 the economy will contract by 15% or more. That's a depression not a recession, the economy will be crippled in ways most people will never have experienced.

Wages will freeze and inflation will rocket with the amount of quantative easing in the system. VAT will probably be the first tax to go up, alcohol and fuel duties also, stamp duty and national insurance increases on top of that, almost certain that council tax will rise.

Edited April 3, 2020 by dcfc2007

[Spacedog]

I am extremely worried about the prospects of the UK economy. Once this is over I think that there will be many businesses from large multinational to the small family run businesses that will go to the wall. These failings will in itself put large pressure on a Government that will be struggling to keep a lid on spending while generating any income. Large numbers of the population will have little if any disposable income. Revenue from VAT will be down due to a slow down in spending. Income tax and National insurance will be down as the numbers in employment fall. As unemployment rises so to does the welfare bill. Sadly I do not see any quick fix on the horizon.

I hope I am wrong about this. I suppose we will just have to wait and see how it pans out

[dcfc2007]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-sweden-determined-it-has-smarter-strategy-for-dealing-with-covid-19-11968101

The elderly and vulnerable have been told to protect themselves by staying at home and there's a ban on crowds of more than 50.

But otherwise, people are encouraged to use common sense and work from home if they want to.

Until two weeks ago it was a strategy that was mirrored in the UK.

Both countries talked about slowing the spread of the virus, allowing the population to build up immunity while flattening the epidemic curve so critical care units weren't overwhelmed.

Then came the report from scientists at Imperial College London that suggested the need for life-saving care had been underestimated and that 250,000 people would die.

But while Britain went into lockdown, Sweden stood firm.

State epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, the doctor in charge of the strategy, told me a computer simulation is only as good as the data put in and the assumptions made, and the Imperial College scientists had got their numbers wrong.

He said: "Compared to us it is hugely pessimistic. I don't think any curve in any country has gone as bad as Imperial said it would.

"I just don't think there is a real connection between lockdowns, closing borders, closing schools and being safer."

The strategy has huge support from the public. People here trust experts.

"They're the ones with the qualifications; they know what they're doing," one passer-by told me.

[Mrmango]

1 hour ago, Spacedog said:

Secondly big business will keep any wage increase if any to an absolute minimum as they try to improve their balance sheets and keep the shareholders happy

To me, that is what they should do - It's called "Free enterprise" and generated untold wealth that the world has never seen before. 

And of course, workers are free to find a higher paying job.

[Stillearly]

FTs graph not looking good 

[Krapow]

2 hours ago, Stillearly said:

Nothing , they are being used as a distraction 

Distraction?

How can it be right that low paid workers employed by football clubs are being sacked when multi millionaire players stay on full salary.

It's fucking disgusting!

[Krapow]

1 hour ago, dcfc2007 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-sweden-determined-it-has-smarter-strategy-for-dealing-with-covid-19-11968101

The elderly and vulnerable have been told to protect themselves by staying at home and there's a ban on crowds of more than 50.

But otherwise, people are encouraged to use common sense and work from home if they want to.

Until two weeks ago it was a strategy that was mirrored in the UK.

Both countries talked about slowing the spread of the virus, allowing the population to build up immunity while flattening the epidemic curve so critical care units weren't overwhelmed.

Then came the report from scientists at Imperial College London that suggested the need for life-saving care had been underestimated and that 250,000 people would die.

But while Britain went into lockdown, Sweden stood firm.

State epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, the doctor in charge of the strategy, told me a computer simulation is only as good as the data put in and the assumptions made, and the Imperial College scientists had got their numbers wrong.

He said: "Compared to us it is hugely pessimistic. I don't think any curve in any country has gone as bad as Imperial said it would.

"I just don't think there is a real connection between lockdowns, closing borders, closing schools and being safer."

The strategy has huge support from the public. People here trust experts.

"They're the ones with the qualifications; they know what they're doing," one passer-by told me.

Watched a report on it last night, by no means does it have huge support from all the public.

See what happens by this time next month.,

I'd wager they'll have moved to much stringent measures as the death toll rises.

[Krapow]

29 minutes ago, Stillearly said:

FTs graph not looking good 

Takes time for the lockdown to work though, hopefully ...

Edited April 3, 2020 by Krapow

[Aqualung]

4 minutes ago, Krapow said:

Watched a report on it last night, by no means does it have huge support from all the public.

See what happens by this time next month.,

I'd wager they'll have moved to much stringent measures as the death toll rises.

Mate of mine in southern Sweden agrees with the way the Swedish government is doing things. Nuts if you ask me. There's a Swedish word that fails me right now but it means " just enough" or similar. And that's what's happening there. 

Meanwhile in the restaurant where my wife works life goes on as per. 6 staff working there and no way able to stay away from each other. 

Agreed that a lot of Swedish folks are really worried about the situation but as usual they say nothing. 

[dcfc2007]

7 minutes ago, Krapow said:

Watched a report on it last night, by no means does it have huge support from all the public.

See what happens by this time next month.,

I'd wager they'll have moved to much stringent measures as the death toll rises.

Whether it has support or not should be irrelevant. It's about whether or not it is in the best interests of the nation as a whole. The problem in the UK was that the govt did a U-turn from the right policy because a bunch of self-appointed epidemiologists kicked off on twitter.

[Krapow]

Just now, dcfc2007 said:

Whether it has support or not should be irrelevant. It's about whether or not it is in the best interests of the nation as a whole. The problem in the UK was that the govt did a U-turn from the right policy because a bunch of self-appointed epidemiologists kicked off on twitter.

That's your opinion, which you're entitled to.

Doesn't make it right anymore than anyone else's though ..

 

[Krapow]

As a front line worker I was able to my coronavirus test done. 

Thank f**k for that, big relief!

[Stillearly]

4 minutes ago, Krapow said:

Distraction?

How can it be right that low paid workers employed by football clubs are being sacked when multi millionaire players stay on full salary.

It's fucking disgusting!

It isn't right , but why attack the players , the owners have billions ....

the EPL today put £125m to lower leagues

 £25m to the NHS ... 

plus the amount the league and individual players contribute to the economy is already huge ... the most up to date numbers was in 2017 £3.3 billion of which £1.1 billion was players taxes ... , so probably a lot higher now ..

https://www.moneywise.co.uk/news/2019-01-25‌‌/how-much-tax-does-paul-pogba-pay-premier-league-footballers-pay-more-ps1-billion

but as I said I think the players are soft political  targets 

 

 

 

[Krapow]

4 minutes ago, Stillearly said:

It isn't right , but why attack the players , the owners have billions ....

the EPL today put £125m to lower leagues

 £25m to the NHS ... 

plus the amount the league and individual players contribute to the economy is already huge ... the most up to date numbers was in 2017 £3.3 billion of which £1.1 billion was players taxes ... , so probably a lot higher now ..

https://www.moneywise.co.uk/news/2019-01-25‌‌/how-much-tax-does-paul-pogba-pay-premier-league-footballers-pay-more-ps1-billion

but as I said I think the players are soft political  targets 

I've repeatedly said on this thread ANYBODY who gets obscene wages.

I can tell you though, i would feel absolutely shameful if I was employed at a club that had to sack lower paid employees while I still took an obscene wage. In fact I wouldn't do it, i'd find some way to help them.

Edited April 3, 2020 by Krapow

[Rompho Ray]

On 4/1/2020 at 11:11 PM, forcebwithu said:

Good point. Found this site that lets you compare stats by country using a number of different measures.

By hovering on the chart you presented, I find that the US tends to fall near the bottom of comparable advanced democratic states, especially European states, and those much lower than ours generally tend to be known for their lack of concern for human rights, or extreme authoritarianism.  That bears out other reporting I've seen on this subject, which indicated that, per capita, our infection rate is similar to Germany and other European countries with very low per capita infection rates.

I find this trade-off eminently satisfactory. 

Thanks for that.  Your graph confirms my belief that the US is doing a good job walking the line between authoritarianism/fascism and public health.  It also shows that our free-market health care system more than holds its own against the socialist medical systems of Europe, especially considering that we aren't sending old and frail people home to die with a bottle of aspirin and a hearty "good luck!"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-ethics-speci/special-report-all-is-well-in-italy-triage-and-lies-for-virus-patients-idUSKBN2133KG  
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-healthcare/who-gets-the-ventilator-british-doctors-contemplate-harrowing-coronavirus-care-choices-idUSKBN2172FC

 

...and in table form, sortable:  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?

Edited April 3, 2020 by Rompho Ray