Stillearly Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 29 minutes ago, Krapow said: I've repeatedly said on this thread ANYBODY who gets obscene wages. I can tell you though, i would feel absolutely shameful if I was employed at a club that had to sack lower paid employees while I still took an obscene wage. In fact I wouldn't do it, i'd find some way to help them. Okay , if they all take a 30%.or a 50% cut , then the revenues to the exchequer are going to go down as well ... from the article the players are paying £1.1 billion a year in tax ( probably a lot more now ) ..that's £92m a week which is currently covering the £2,500 month payment to 36,800 workers ... Seems like a daft idea to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rompho Ray Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) On 4/2/2020 at 12:37 AM, fforest said: Exactly this whole thing stinks.... Left-wing politicians have been saying straight out that this is an opportunity to push for socialism/fascism, the Green Raw Deal, and other damaging leftist priorities. https://www.nationalreview.com/news/dem-rep-told-colleagues-coronavirus-bill-is-tremendous-opportunity-to-restructure-things-to-fit-our-vision/https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/newsom-says-coronavirus-is-an-opportunity-for-reimagining-a-more-progressive-erahttps://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/3/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-wants-covid-19-reparation/https://scalise.house.gov/media/press-releases/pelosis-wishlist-far-left-policies-completely-unrelated-coronavirus Barwack Insane Obola compares the Bat Soup Flu to The Great Global Warming Hoax™: https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1245007713387544576?s=20 ...etc. Get people used to fascistic lockdowns and other violations of their civil liberties, then try to jam bills packed with fascist/socialist goodies through Congress. It ain't very hard to see the game afoot here. Edited April 3, 2020 by Rompho Ray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krapow Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Here we go ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rompho Ray Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Krapow said: Here we go ... What, you wanting to decide what everyone "deserves" to earn again? 😝 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalliwag Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 The banks are now sending deals through,for people that need them,all government backed. We have three operating companies,and two hold co’s. My bank (Goverment),is offering each company a $40k loan,interest free until 2022. The kicker is,if you pay the loan back before the maturity date,the Goverment will forgive 25% of the original loan.So 10k. We can borrow 3 x 40k,tomorrow,pay it back the next day and net 10k off each loan. 25% on money ,that was never ours is too good to turn down in 24 hours. And defer tax payments until the end of the year? Couldn't be better. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 As I mentionned earlier, the easiest and most reliable statistic is the difference of deaths on a weekly / monthly base between previous years and 2020. Nearly 4,400 burials occurred in March, 40 percent higher than any month since at least January, 2018, according to a Reuters review of statistics from the city’s Department of Parks and Cemeteries. The second-highest total during that period was March 2019, when nearly 3,100 people were buried. https://nationalpost.com/pmn/health-pmn/jump-in-jakarta-funerals-raises-fears-of-unreported-coronavirus-deaths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rompho Ray Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, Thai Spice said: As I mentionned earlier, the easiest and most reliable statistic is the difference of deaths on a weekly / monthly base between previous years and 2020...etc. The article says that 90 deaths in Jakarta have been attributed to the Bat Soup Flu, 180 in the whole country. Given that 4,400 is 40% higher than normal, their count would have to be off by a factor of about 14 (i.e. the death toll would have to be 1,257 instead of 90) for Bat Soup flu to be the cause of the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 59 minutes ago, Rompho Ray said: The article says that 90 deaths in Jakarta have been attributed to the Bat Soup Flu, 180 in the whole country. Given that 4,400 is 40% higher than normal, their count would have to be off by a factor of about 14 (i.e. the death toll would have to be 1,257 instead of 90) for Bat Soup flu to be the cause of the difference. Correct. Jakarta has a population of 11 Million. Only 90 death since the beginning ? Nobody believes that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rompho Ray Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Thai Spice said: Correct. Jakarta has a population of 11 Million. Only 90 death since the beginning ? Nobody believes that. I believe few of the numbers that anybody is producing, although for different reasons. In some cases, governments are underreporting the numbers. In most cases, the numbers are nonsensical, such as because you can't know the mortality rate or R0 (a measure of how contagious an antigen is) unless you know the total number of cases including the asymptomatic ones. Nobody is checking for that right now due to a lack of an antibody test, and few countries are testing anyone but likely cases, so the infection rate and mortality rate numbers are bogus, including some that are based on faulty models whose predictions are not matching the facts on the ground. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/26/dr_birx_coronavirus_data_doesnt_match_the_doomsday_media_predictions_or_analysis.html BTW, in the US, over 85% of people who are being tested for coronavirus due to having symptoms are coming up negative for the virus. Edited April 4, 2020 by Rompho Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esco Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 6 hours ago, Rompho Ray said: By hovering on the chart you presented, I find that the US tends to fall near the bottom of comparable advanced democratic states, especially European states, and those much lower than ours generally tend to be known for their lack of concern for human rights, or extreme authoritarianism. That bears out other reporting I've seen on this subject, which indicated that, per capita, our infection rate is similar to Germany and other European countries with very low per capita infection rates. I find this trade-off eminently satisfactory. Thanks for that. Your graph confirms my belief that the US is doing a good job walking the line between authoritarianism/fascism and public health. It also shows that our free-market health care system more than holds its own against the socialist medical systems of Europe, especially considering that we aren't sending old and frail people home to die with a bottle of aspirin and a hearty "good luck!" https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-ethics-speci/special-report-all-is-well-in-italy-triage-and-lies-for-virus-patients-idUSKBN2133KG https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-healthcare/who-gets-the-ventilator-british-doctors-contemplate-harrowing-coronavirus-care-choices-idUSKBN2172FC ...and in table form, sortable: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1? Just remember the US is a week or 2 behind most European countries on the outbreak curve, and as with most reported numbers these are probably all inaccurate because not everyone gets tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esco Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Rompho Ray said: I believe few of the numbers that anybody is producing.... BTW, in the US, over 85% of people who are being tested for coronavirus due to having symptoms are coming up negative for the virus. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelers4Life Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 received_690920891738668.mp4 received_690920891738668.mp4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 An extract of serious, down to earth, objective reporting by the US media.... And by the way, why do they all need to SHOUT ? FFS ..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coxyhog Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 A sure sign of the strain the NHS is under in the UK,just seen that A & E has closed at Watford General Hospital,which is our closest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfingboy Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) Christ, watching Ali Velshi this A.M on MSNBC. Just had a chart of # of cases by State, tenth spot was Pennsylvania I think with about 7,000. Scary shit, it’s not just a NY pandemic Edited April 4, 2020 by Golfingboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWA Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 20 minutes ago, Golfingboy said: Just had a chart of # of cases by State, tenth spot was Pennsylvania I think with about 7,000. Scary shit, it’s not just a NY pandemic Fifth most highly populated state and shares a border with New York. It seems to make sense it'd be affected badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 20 minutes ago, KWA said: Fifth most highly populated state and shares a border with New York. It seems to make sense it'd be affected badly. No surprise there's a high correlation to population density and COVID-19 cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rompho Ray Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Esco said: Just remember the US is a week or 2 behind most European countries on the outbreak curve They say this but I see no basis for it. People were coming back to the US from Wuhan at the same time they were coming back to Europe. We had our first case in January. 8 hours ago, Esco said: as with most reported numbers these are probably all inaccurate because not everyone gets tested. Well, that's kinda my point. However, cases that are severe enough to be tested are statistically a percentage of all cases. Although we don't know the number of undetected cases, the relative numbers could very well be right, because they are being detected by testing. That is, no matter if 20% of people get sick enough to be tested or 5% do, the relative numbers of severe cases would be similar. 8 hours ago, Esco said: 🙂 Read it again: 85% of people BEING TESTED are testing negative. This number is reliable because it's a report on tests actually being given. Even if all tests are not being reported, all that matters statistically is whether enough tests are being reported for the margin of error to be in an acceptable range. Believe it or not, for a random sampled response to be statistically accurate for 300 million people with a confidence level of 99% and a margin of error of +/-3%, you only need a sample size of about 2000. https://www.surveymonkey.com/mp/sample-size-calculator/ Yes, I do love statistics. 😁 Edited April 4, 2020 by Rompho Ray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code_slayer_bkk Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Golfingboy said: Christ, watching Ali Velshi this A.M on MSNBC. Just had a chart of # of cases by State, tenth spot was Pennsylvania I think with about 7,000. Scary shit, it’s not just a NY pandemic Being a NY'er ... I am not surprised at all the way NY was hit ... it was inevitable ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rompho Ray Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Golfingboy said: Scary shit, it’s not just a NY pandemic The top 5 hotspot states combined account for 60% of all cases; the top 10 account for 77% of the cases. So far, 0.008% of the population has been confirmed as having the Bat Soup Flu, and 0.0002% have died. Since January, the US has had 7,155 deaths from the Bat Soup Flu (at this writing). (Source for above numbers: https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2020/apr/04/coronavirus-map-us-latest-cases-state-by-state) Statistically, so far this year, heart disease has killed about 160,000, and cancer has killed 154,000. Alzheimer's has killed 24,500, and 11,200 have killed themselves. 10,000 have died from septicemia. 9,700 have died in accidents involving vehicles. We'll eventually "bend the curve down" and eliminate the Bat Soup Flu. Are we then all gonna stay home and go broke so 37,000 people don't die in transportation accidents? Edited April 4, 2020 by Rompho Ray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfc2007 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 41 minutes ago, code_slayer_bkk said: Being a NY'er ... I am not surprised at all the way NY was hit ... it was inevitable ... Mayor of New York was encouraging people to go to the Chinese New Year festival to stand up to the bigots. Political correctness kills. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfc2007 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 "Many people who die of Covid [the disease caused by coronavirus] would have died anyway within a short period," he says." https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-51979654 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murchie Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, dcfc2007 said: Mayor of New York was encouraging people to go to the Chinese New Year festival to stand up to the bigots. Political correctness kills. Wasn't the Chinese New Year from 25th January to 8th February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfc2007 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Murchie said: Wasn't the Chinese New Year from 25th January to 8th February. It was celebrated in New York the weekend of the 13th of Feb. Just as the Wuhan virus was exploding and millions of Chinese were traveling back and forth. One month down the line New York is the worst affected part of the US. Funny that. 🤔 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murchie Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, dcfc2007 said: It was celebrated in New York the weekend of the 13th of Feb. Just as the Wuhan virus was exploding and millions of Chinese were traveling back and forth. One month down the line New York is the worst affected part of the US. Funny that. 🤔 Well in mid February America pretty much thought the virus was absolutely nothing to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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