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18 minutes ago, Rompho Ray said:

I assume it wasn't intentional.

As I previously showed, including with links to actual emails between the various interested parties, this was the fallback position after it was shown that the "vaccines" didn't work.

As I said.  However, I also said that a lot of people who should know are questioning whether the technology existed to develop the "vaccines" that quickly.

Yep, and right after everybody decided they'd had enough, and giant street protests against the mitigation measures flared up in countries around the world.  "Science" sure works in mysterious ways.  

Well, I choose to believe that there are facts and good arguments on both sides of the question.  I prefer to collect and study those, rather than "choosing to believe" something because someone else thinks I should do that.  Call me picky.

Never said anything to the contrary.  If people want to inject themselves full of this vaccine, or red dye #3, or pee, or whatever else, as long as they're mentally competent to make that decision, I have no objection.

Because there's a difference between personal choice and what was done during the "pandemic".  

As I said, if you decide to inject yourself with pee believing that it will cure the Bat Soup Flu, no problem.  I'll even supply the pee.  However, if the government forces you to inject pee, their reasons hold little to no water (so to speak), and you don't want to for whatever reason, I'm also behind you on that.

Personally, I prefer to understand exactly why governments reacted the way they did, including whether or not we should have let them overstep their authority, whether granted by a Constitution, the Magna Carta, or any other form of social contract.  And, I personally don't put anything into my body unless I have a pretty good idea that it's safe.  Especially pee.

To me, the act of not being a blindly-obedient sheeple waiting for the next ridiculous demand from the government is not :default_deadhorse:, it's being a responsible citizen, and a responsible adult.  I accept that there are people who don't care about being either of these, although I don't quite understand why they would prefer to silence those of us who are asking perfectly valid questions. 

Granted though, that's a discussion for a different thread.  In this one, I'll stick to facts, exactly like I have all along.

As long as you believe it is all.that matters. Convincing everyone might be a bit of a slog though. 😃

For me the Jury is still out. 

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8 hours ago, Nightcrawler said:

Maybe Spanish and Hong Kong Flu were also man made??🙃 or were they mutations found in animals.

Sars existed before the mutation of C19 and its own mutations. 

Viruses in one form or another have existed for thousands of years and had to come from somewhere. 

I have an open mind and neither theories regarding the sauce of what is name Covid 19 have been proved conclusively. 

Was it leaked from a laboratory? Was it deliberately engineered as a biological weapon, or was it a Sars mutations from.animal to humans?

Scientists seem to have different views depending on their own research. Then of course there are political repercussions involved  

I doubt we will ever know for sure.

It's one of those moonlanding scenarios 😃

It's easier to blame humans than a Virus or nature,  I guess in a world of suspicion  

If the C19 virus was squarely laid at the feet of the Chinese,its still unlikely that they will be held to account and financial recompense to the world demanded. The Chinesecwould certainly never admit it, for sure.

Where did the common cold come from? Where did influenza originate?. Since the dawn of civilisation, viruses and diseases have been a threat to both man and beast. 

I donr need to read pages of research by hundreds of authors to know that  

Some believe that Covid 19 was a punishment by God. 

Viruses seem more adaptable than humans. 

 

Be parsimonious when looking for an explanation. Also known as Occam's razor.

Parsimony simply means that when conducting a scientific experiment to always choose the most simple explanation.

Hear hoofbeats think horses not zebras (unless you're in Africa).

In other words, without hard evidence pointing one way or the other, go with the simplest reason.

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China 3,577

USA 1,097 in second place.

I don't think you can blame the Chinese for the number of bat associated viruses. They just like it there.

 

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9 hours ago, Rompho Ray said:

What's not so commonly discussed (and certainly not in the LMSM) is that the BSF "vaccines" seemed to appear almost immediately after the discovery of the virus itself, rather than after the years-long effort it usually takes.  Certainly, the advancements in gene sequencing make this process faster, but that should only have been the very beginning of the process.  Yet we had "vaccines" going into arms by the end of 2020, barely a year after the virus itself was detected (purportedly). 

To some folks that seems rather too rapid for them not to have had some sort of head start.  Such as if the lab leak theory was true.  

Just sayin' like... 

Probably only those who haven't bothered to do any research think the vaccines appeared out of nowhere.

In fact mRNA vaccines were 50 years in the making.

In the 1970s it was demonstrated that introducing foreign mRNA into a cell would cause the cell to express the foreign protein encoded by the mRNA.

In 1989 Robert Malone showed how mRNA could be transfected into cells and being translated into foreign protein. Unfortunately the direct injection of mRNA caused a severe inflammatory response.

In 2005 after 7 years of research Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman published a paper describing how modifying one of the nucleosides of the mRNA eliminated the inflammation problem.

That paper was read by Derrick Rossi who in 2007 with his own lab at Harvard Medical School asked one of his postdoctoral fellows to investigate. By 2009 he had the answer, it worked.

In 2010 Rossi and others formed Moderna to commercialise the findings. In 2015 Moderna produced a candidate vaccine for the H10N8 influenza virus. In 2017 Moderna produced a polyvalent candidate vaccine for hMPV virus and parainfluenza virus. In 2019 Moderna produced an mRNA encoded antibody therapeutic.

In 2013 Karikó joined BioNTech heading up their mRNA division.

Across the pond the Jenner Institute at Oxford University had been working on their CHADOX viral vector vaccine program since 2010. At the end of the day mRNA and viral vector vaccines have the same aim. To produce a strand of mRNA which is translated by a cell into a desired protein. In the case of Covid-19 the desired protein is the spike protein of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

In 2012 Oxford had a candidate vaccine for Rift Valley Fever using their CHADOX system. In 2018 a MERS candidate vaccine.

So by 2020 all the mRNA and viral vector vaccine makers had to do was change the template for the desired protein, the rest of the system was in place. And they received that template on 10/11 January when the Chinese put the full genome of the SARS-CoV-2 virus online. Within a month Moderna had their first candidate vaccine and within 2 months it was going into arms for clinical trial. And all it took was 50 years.

 

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11 hours ago, Rompho Ray said:

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To me, the act of not being a blindly-obedient sheeple waiting for the next ridiculous demand from the government is not :default_deadhorse:, it's being a responsible citizen, and a responsible adult.  I accept that there are people who don't care about being either of these, although I don't quite understand why they would prefer to silence those of us who are asking perfectly valid questions

I don't think anyone is being silenced at all. There are lots of theories out there on Social Media platforms, especially. To disagree  is equally valid, it's not silencing  

I consider myself as a reasonably responsible person and had I caught the virus, I would Not have spread it knowingly to others. As far as I am aware, the vaccines I received have not damaged my health. If it were a tiny drop.of pee, that would not be harmful either. 

Whatever the rights or wrongs, governments had little choice. If they were slow to act, then they would have been criticised for that.

What's done is done. Personally I am happy that I have not knowingly had the virus and that if I had, I would have isolated until I was no longer contagious 

I don't blame people for getting vaccinated. Some refused, it wasn't mandatory. I didn't see it as a magic bullet but part of a package to fight against the Pandemic, along with testing, masks, social distancing etc.

If people had not started dying in the numbers that they had or beconing seriously ill, then I suspect that government responses would have been different. 

I don't particularly feel like a sheep or blame the government. I do blame top ministers who flaunted the rules that they had made for the public, but that is a slightly different matter.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions relating to vaccines and the C19 pandemic and usually based initially on their own experiences. Unfortunately the dead cannot speak. 

I was advised by my Doctor to get vaccinated. I am not a scientist nor a health professional, and I took his advice.  I could have equally rejected that advice if I had chosen to but at the time there was little evidence to suggest otherwise  

Neither did I buy into the conspiracy theories that were being circulated by ativaxxers.

My question, which none of us really know the answer to, is what would have happened if we had done NOTHING?

We simply don't know how long the Pandemic would have lasted, how many would have become hospitalised, how many deaths there would have been  

That is impossible to know. 

I don't have a problem with anyone who having their opinions about the vaccines and its too late anyway, what done is done. I just want to move on like most people and get back to normality. I can't change the past  

Hopefully, the world maybe be better prepared should there be a similar Pandemic in the future and that the advances in science will play a big part. 

 

 

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Welp, I kinda figured when I saw this thread that it was gonna be a bunch of credulous people getting together to swap government/LMSM approved pharma propaganda while yanking each other's syringes and "vaccinating" each other up the sARSe.  But, I thought I'd get on here, present a few alternative facts (scrupulously documented as always) and see what happened.

Sadly, it was predictable.

So, I will leave the rest of you to post "Well I never!  Can you believe there are people who think the government shouldn't be allowed to fund dangerous research that spawns a pandemic, reject 300 years of scientific knowledge, rewrite the dictionary, then use that to lock people in their homes, require them to wear non-functional face diapers, forcibly inject them with untested potions, ignore and lie about the unprecedented number of 'vaccine' injuries being reported, band together with the LMSM and social media to censor anyone who deviates from the approved narrative, then question whether the reasons for all those civil liberties violations were valid?!" for a while. 

Not to worry though.  Soon, the unpleasant ripple effect of unapproved facts that make people uncomfortable but there seems to be no way to refute will disappear, and the serene cocoon of pharma industry propaganda flowing from the LMSM onto this thread will soothe everybody on here back to sleep.

Good night, sheep.  Sleep well, and don't forget, the government will protect you.  Like it always has.

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2 hours ago, Rompho Ray said:

Welp, I kinda figured when I saw this thread that it was gonna be a bunch of credulous people getting together to swap government/LMSM approved pharma propaganda while yanking each other's syringes and "vaccinating" each other up the sARSe.  But, I thought I'd get on here, present a few alternative facts (scrupulously documented as always) and see what happened.

Sadly, it was predictable.

So, I will leave the rest of you to post "Well I never!  Can you believe there are people who think the government shouldn't be allowed to fund dangerous research that spawns a pandemic, reject 300 years of scientific knowledge, rewrite the dictionary, then use that to lock people in their homes, forcibly inject them with untested potions, ignore and lie about the unprecedented number of vaccine injuries being reported, band dogether with the LMSM and social media to censor anyone who deviates from the approved narrative, then question whether the reasons for all those civil liberties violations were valid?!" for a while. 

Not to worry though.  Soon, the unpleasant ripple effect of unapproved facts that make people uncomfortable but there seems to be no way to refute will disappear, and the serene cocoon of pharma industry propaganda flowing from the LMSM onto this thread will soothe everybody on here back to sleep.

Good night, sheep.  Sleep well, and don't forget, the government will protect you.  Like it always has.

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Yep we are here, alive and well and not living in fear 😄 whoever the "we" may be. I am sure that some will agree with you but you can't expect to convert or influence everyone. Just not possible without being condescending.  Or, just maybe we are not ready to deal with your superior intellect 😁

Ain't no big thang

I certainly wouldn't want to encourage you to change your opinion which is genuine

 

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Ok - I am probably out of date on following this thread, but ....

I am pro-vax and have had 4 of them. OMG I hope my DNA is not soon to be overtaken by Bill Gates nano chips.

I have read that a new vaccine, which has better Omicron break through protection became available in the US last fall. Anybody know when this vax may become available to Farang here in Thailand?

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7 hours ago, ChiFlyer said:

Ok - I am probably out of date on following this thread, but ....

I am pro-vax and have had 4 of them. OMG I hope my DNA is not soon to be overtaken by Bill Gates nano chips.

I have read that a new vaccine, which has better Omicron break through protection became available in the US last fall. Anybody know when this vax may become available to Farang here in Thailand?

Moderna have released 3 versions of their Spikevax Covid-19 vaccine. I don't know how they came up with the names for the active molecule but

elasomeran - original

elasomeran/imelasomeran - original plus Omicron BA1

elasomeran/davesomeran - original plus Omicron BA4-5

The latest (elasomeran/davesomeran) became available in Australia in March 2023. It followed fairly close to (elasomeran/imelasomeran).

Fall in the US may well have been elasomeran/imelasomeran being 6-8 months ago.

Pfizer probably have a similar range of vaccines but I don't know their names.

 

Availability in Thailand ???

 

 

 

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15 hours ago, fygjam said:

Moderna have released 3 versions of their Spikevax Covid-19 vaccine. I don't know how they came up with the names for the active molecule but

elasomeran - original

elasomeran/imelasomeran - original plus Omicron BA1

elasomeran/davesomeran - original plus Omicron BA4-5

The latest (elasomeran/davesomeran) became available in Australia in March 2023. It followed fairly close to (elasomeran/imelasomeran).

Fall in the US may well have been elasomeran/imelasomeran being 6-8 months ago.

Pfizer probably have a similar range of vaccines but I don't know their names.

 

Availability in Thailand ???

 

 

 

Just as a side note -> my first 3 vaccines were Pfizer because that was what was available to me in Thailand at that time. I had very muted reactions to all 3 of those shots. For my 4th vaccine I decided to go Moderna, as I had read that mixing was not a bad strategy. I had a much stronger reaction to the Moderna shot.

  • Heightened soreness in my arm at the point of the vaccination.
  • Headaches.
  • Slight fever.
  • Most troubling at my age (73) -> chest pains.

I am no scientist, but I suspect that the Moderna shot introduced something new into my body, not necessarily a bad thing in total. I would likely seek out Moderna for the 5th shot. Nothing like being a real time science project. 🙂

 

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As the UK Covid enquiry is going to go on for about 3 years, and every nook and cranny will be looked at, with nothing more than a recommendation of how we did and how we can better our response in any future pandemic, I was just wondering how many other countries are having an enquiry. 

The info below looks like we are really going to town compared to others, ours looks like it's got bells on.

Sweden's COVID commission, in a final 1,700-page report in February 2022, said the country's broad policy was "fundamentally correct" but that it should have shut venues and taken other, tougher measures earlier in the pandemic.

The country shunned lockdowns and masks and left schools, restaurants and businesses open while telling people to socially distance and maintain good hygiene.

In France, an appeals court threw out a judicial investigation into alleged negligence by former health minister Agnes Buzyn in her handling of the pandemic.

The French government's response during the first months of the pandemic came under fire from the public, with accusations Ms Buzyn had put people's lives at risk by not adequately communicating the dangers of the virus.

In Italy, former prime minister Giuseppe Conte, former health minister Roberto Speranza and 17 others are under investigation over the government's response to the pandemic.

In the US, a bipartisan group of senators tried to put together a COVID-19 commission to look into the origins of the virus and the national readiness.

It hasn't been able to get off the ground due to disagreements and a lack of support from the Biden administration.

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US intelligence report finds no direct evidence COVID started in Wuhan lab

US intelligence agencies found no direct evidence that the COVID-19 pandemic stemmed from an incident at China's Wuhan Institute of Virology, a declassified report has revealed.

Key points:

  • New report says US intelligence community unable to determine the origins of COVID-19
  • US agencies remain divided over the outbreak's source
  • Republicans have accused the Biden administration of withholding information 
 

The four-page report by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) said the intelligence community still could not rule out the possibility that the virus came from a laboratory, however, and had not been able to discover the origins of the pandemic.

"The Central Intelligence Agency and another agency remain unable to determine the precise origin of the COVID-19 pandemic, as both (natural and lab) hypotheses rely on significant assumptions or face challenges with conflicting reporting," the ODNI report said.

It said that while "extensive work" had been conducted on coronaviruses at the Wuhan institute (WIV), the agencies had not found evidence of a specific incident that could have caused the outbreak.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-24/no-evidence-to-support-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-us-intelligence-say/102519874

 

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2 hours ago, fforest said:

This is not complicated.....The whole thing was a complete fraud from day #1..

I mind you were convinced and trying to convince everyone else that 'they', whomever 'they' are, were going to keep us on continual lockdowns ongoing, this was the way it was going too be for, well, forever. 

Whilst more sane people knew a combination of the vaccines and virus continuing to evolve to be less severe would see Covid being dealt with the same as many other respiratory illnesses, and we'd be back holidaying in Thailand soon. In a tourist sector that you said 'they' were determined to destroy! 

Complicated it is not, at least for some :hiding:

 

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1 hour ago, Krapow said:

I mind you were convinced and trying to convince everyone else that 'they', whomever 'they' are, were going to keep us on continual lockdowns ongoing, this was the way it was going too be for, well, forever. 

Whilst more sane people knew a combination of the vaccines and virus continuing to evolve to be less severe would see Covid being dealt with the same as many other respiratory illnesses, and we'd be back holidaying in Thailand soon. In a tourist sector that you said 'they' were determined to destroy! 

Complicated it is not, at least for some :hiding:

 

 

 the plague of 1720-1722, in Marseille France

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0755498222000318

Spanish Flu: 1918-1920

Covid 2020-2022

 

You notice anything here with the dates?

All these pandemics were around the year 2020.....Boy I would love to be living in 2120 to see the next one...

What I said was if they kept pushing covid beyond 2-3 years then covid was here to stay because that is how long the other pandemics lasted....

They were so power crazed I gave it a 50/50 chance the covid show might continue..Even though I knew it might end in 2 years....

Thankfully it seems they had been given only a 2 year limit on the covid show, same as in the previous pandemics......
 

So what we can learn from this is there is definitely a greater power above the powers that be...

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1 hour ago, fforest said:

 

 the plague of 1720-1722, in Marseille France

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0755498222000318

Spanish Flu: 1918-1920

Covid 2020-2022

 

You notice anything here with the dates?

All these pandemics were around the year 2020.....Boy I would love to be living in 2120 to see the next one...

What I said was if they kept pushing covid beyond 2-3 years then covid was here to stay because that is how long the other pandemics lasted....

They were so power crazed I gave it a 50/50 chance the covid show might continue..Even though I knew it might end in 2 years....

Thankfully it seems they had been given only a 2 year limit on the covid show, same as in the previous pandemics......
 

So what we can learn from this is there is definitely a greater power above the powers that be...

You forgot to mention

the Black Death 1334-1353

Small Pox 1520 until early 1600

Cholera 1851- 1860

AiDS at its peak 2005-2012

So what? 

Just more conspiracy bulshit regarding every hundred years

Were they also manufactured by Greater powers?? 😎😁😁

You may as we'll look at the history of major earthquakes, volcano eruptions, hurricans and other natural disasters where the are coincidents of dates or centuries. It means nothing. 

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1 hour ago, fforest said:

 

 the plague of 1720-1722, in Marseille France

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0755498222000318

Spanish Flu: 1918-1920

Covid 2020-2022

 

You notice anything here with the dates?

All these pandemics were around the year 2020.....Boy I would love to be living in 2120 to see the next one...

What I said was if they kept pushing covid beyond 2-3 years then covid was here to stay because that is how long the other pandemics lasted....

They were so power crazed I gave it a 50/50 chance the covid show might continue..Even though I knew it might end in 2 years....

Thankfully it seems they had been given only a 2 year limit on the covid show, same as in the previous pandemics......
 

So what we can learn from this is there is definitely a greater power above the powers that be...

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Okay, so 20 seems to be the magic number then, yea?

From a quick 2 second look of the link you posted - Records show that Marseille was hit by the plague at least 25, and perhaps 34 times. Some of the epidemics were particularly deadly and have left lastingly gloomy memories: 1580, 1630. 

Also, is there any reason why your hypothesis missed out on the most fatal pandemic recorded in human history, the Black Plague causing up to 200Million deaths? Would it be perchance because the dates of that were - 1346 - 1353?

What happened, did our overlords and overlord's overlords, who control every single facet of our lives get the bingo balls mixed up, need to do some basic maths classes, or what could possibly have happened? :lol:

What i notice about the dates is that some nutter has cherry picked a couple of dates out of loads, posted it on some windowlicker site, and the gullible are needing their meds upped again! I mean, the Asiatic or Russian flu pandemic was around 1890, the 1957 Asian flu pandemic, and i could go on and on but what's the point, you'll just stick your fingers in your ears, go back to believing the latest online incarnation of Jake the Asshole or whatever talking horseshit or the easily led!

No, what you said to me was we'd be back in lockdown by November, December latest, 2022, when i said there would be no more lockdowns due to the vaccines. 

And no, you were utterly convinced lockdowns would go on, not 50/50 :lol:

And Covid id here to stay, like the many other respiratory illnesses we have circulating. Even my 7 year old daughter has grasped that basic fact.

2 year limits on previous pandemics :lol: What nonsense, nevermind that you actually still believe this was all contrived and our overlords, and  their overlords!

What we have learnt from this is some people just do not have the mental capacity to get their head around we had a pandemic. They have to make up some mad shite as they can't process what happened, and no amount of pointing out basic facts to them makes any difference. I honestly think Covid tipped some people over the edge.

Funny as f**k, though :lol:

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Nightcrawler said:

You forgot to mention

the Black Death 1334-1353

Small Pox 1520 until early 1600

Cholera 1851- 1860

AiDS at its peak 2005-2012

So what? 

Just more conspiracy bulshit regarding every hundred years

Were they also manufactured by Greater powers?? 😎😁😁

 

Nope, it was the greater power than the greater powers, do keep up :lol:

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19 hours ago, Krapow said:

312198582_Dogstaringgif.gif.3900b19c70d4ad803a971f9cbea059c8.gif

 

Okay, so 20 seems to be the magic number then, yea?

From a quick 2 second look of the link you posted - Records show that Marseille was hit by the plague at least 25, and perhaps 34 times. Some of the epidemics were particularly deadly and have left lastingly gloomy memories: 1580, 1630. 

Also, is there any reason why your hypothesis missed out on the most fatal pandemic recorded in human history, the Black Plague causing up to 200Million deaths? Would it be perchance because the dates of that were - 1346 - 1353?

What happened, did our overlords and overlord's overlords, who control every single facet of our lives get the bingo balls mixed up, need to do some basic maths classes, or what could possibly have happened? :lol:

What i notice about the dates is that some nutter has cherry picked a couple of dates out of loads, posted it on some windowlicker site, and the gullible are needing their meds upped again! I mean, the Asiatic or Russian flu pandemic was around 1890, the 1957 Asian flu pandemic, and i could go on and on but what's the point, you'll just stick your fingers in your ears, go back to believing the latest online incarnation of Jake the Asshole or whatever talking horseshit or the easily led!

No, what you said to me was we'd be back in lockdown by November, December latest, 2022, when i said there would be no more lockdowns due to the vaccines. 

And no, you were utterly convinced lockdowns would go on, not 50/50 :lol:

And Covid id here to stay, like the many other respiratory illnesses we have circulating. Even my 7 year old daughter has grasped that basic fact.

2 year limits on previous pandemics :lol: What nonsense, nevermind that you actually still believe this was all contrived and our overlords, and  their overlords!

What we have learnt from this is some people just do not have the mental capacity to get their head around we had a pandemic. They have to make up some mad shite as they can't process what happened, and no amount of pointing out basic facts to them makes any difference. I honestly think Covid tipped some people over the edge.

Funny as f**k, though :lol:

 

 

You guys can laugh all you want...

But was it not amazing how every country on Earth had covid with-in a 1-month time frame.................And yes I do mean every one of them...

And then

At about the 2-year mark..

 Boom..

Covid was all but over in every country on Earth.....With no holdouts.....

Sure you can say there were still cases here and there....But the lockdowns,masks, temp checks bla bla bla..........All dropped at pretty much the same time everywhere..

Why?

Orders from the top to shut it all down is why....

It's that simple..

 

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