COVID 19 GLOBAL

[KhunDon]

8 hours ago, forcebwithu said:

Interesting observation on my trip back to the States for a visit this week. BKK it was about 60-70% wearing masks, got to Toyoko (NRT) and that number dropped quite a bit to around 20%, which surprised me. Houston to Milwaukee that number approached 0%, which also surprised me, but was happy to see.

Saw on the BBC news this morning that the requirement that travellers must be fully vaccinated before flying from UK to the US has been lifted.
So expect flights to cost a lot more as people rush to book flights. 🥹

[Painter]

1 hour ago, boydeste said:

My Doctors have had compulsory mask wearing right up until last week. Not sure what has changed, but it's a welcome change not to wear them now.

Mine had relaxed the mask wearing, but has now started to ask patients to wear them again.

[Nightcrawler]

17 minutes ago, Painter said:

Mine had relaxed the mask wearing, but has now started to ask patients to wear them again.

Probably the easiest place to catch anything is in a surgery waiting  room and always has been. Not a bad idea to use masks. 

Lots of sick people bunched together in a room

[Nightcrawler]

1 hour ago, Nightcrawler said:

Probably the easiest place to catch anything is in a surgery waiting  room and always has been. Not a bad idea to use masks. 

Lots of sick people bunched together in a room

I think that's where I caught Syphilis 😄😄😄

[Bazle]

1 hour ago, Nightcrawler said:

I think that's where I caught Syphilis 😄😄😄

So they showed you the CCTV footage.

[fygjam]

4 minutes ago, Bazle said:

So they showed you the CCTV footage.

He recorded it on a GoPro for a Tik Tok challenge.

 

[Rompho Ray]

3 hours ago, Painter said:

Mine had relaxed the mask wearing, but has now started to ask patients to wear them again.

Here's some information to consider on the subject of wearing masks to prevent spreading or catching the Bat Soup Flu (and other respiratory viruses for that matter; click through for sources of scientific and epidemiological data):  

https://www.city-journal.org/article/approximately-zero

TL;DR:  They don't work.  

In prior respiratory pandemics, the US CDC specifically recommended AGAINST mask wearing except in very specific circumstances, none of which included doctors' waiting rooms.  I wonder why they changed their minds?

Example:  https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/masks.htm#table1

This is not to say that anyone should cause a ruckus by refusing to wear a mask if it's required to go somewhere you want or need to go.  It's also not to say that people shouldn't wear masks if it makes them more comfortable.  It's just good to have an idea about the state of understanding about mask wearing, so we can make informed decisions, and understand why mask wearing is being demanded in various situations.

Edited May 4, 2023 by Rompho Ray

[Nightcrawler]

26 minutes ago, Rompho Ray said:

Here's some information to consider on the subject of wearing masks to prevent spreading or catching the Bat Soup Flu (and other respiratory viruses for that matter; click through for sources of scientific and epidemiological data):  

https://www.city-journal.org/article/approximately-zero

TL;DR:  They don't work.  

In prior respiratory pandemics, the US CDC specifically recommended AGAINST mask wearing except in very specific circumstances, none of which included doctors' waiting rooms.  I wonder why they changed their minds?

Example:  https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/masks.htm#table1

This is not to say that anyone should cause a ruckus by refusing to wear a mask if it's required to go somewhere you want or need to go.  It's also not to say that people shouldn't wear masks if it makes them more comfortable.  It's just good to have an idea about the state of understanding about mask wearing, so we can make informed decisions, and understand why mask wearing is being demanded in various situations.

So, that being the case, why do theatre staff performing surgical procedures in hospitals wear masks?

I understand  that it is to.prevent infection of the patient, just as sterilised surgical cloves are also worn. 

Now, if masks are useless on preventing airbourne bacteria,germs and viruses etc, then why are masks worn in just about every surgical procedure carried out in tbe world?

Or is it just the Covid virus that renders them useless? 

 

[fygjam]

Interestingly Cochrane Reviews, the source that said masks don't work, also said the vaccines including the mRNA vaccines do work.

The review found that the following vaccines reduced or probably reduced the risk of COVID-19 infection compared to placebo: Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna, CureVac COVID-19, Oxford-AstraZeneca, Janssen, Sputnik V (Gam-COVID-Vac), Sinopharm (WIBP CorV and BBIBP-CorV), Bharat (Covaxin), Novavax and Soberana 2 (Finlay-FR-2). The following reduced or probably reduced the risk of severe or critical disease: Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna, Janssen, Sputnik V, Bharat and Novavax. In addition, the Janssen and Soberana 2 vaccines probably decreased the risk of death from any cause. There were very few deaths recorded in all the trials and so evidence on mortality for the other vaccines is uncertain.

They went on to say

Given the evidence of efficacy of these vaccines, the researchers question whether further placebo-controlled trials are ethical. They suggest that further research compares new vaccines with those already in use.

 

[Rompho Ray]

35 minutes ago, Nightcrawler said:

So, that being the case, why do theatre staff performing surgical procedures in hospitals wear masks?

You answered your own question:  One thing has nothing to do with the other.

35 minutes ago, Nightcrawler said:

Now, if masks are useless on preventing airbourne bacteria,germs and viruses etc, then why are masks worn in just about every surgical procedure carried out in tbe world?

You answered that question yourself.  

35 minutes ago, Nightcrawler said:

...it is to.prevent infection of the patient, just as sterilised surgical cloves (sic) are also worn. 

I'll grant you that if you're sitting in a waiting room, and next to you is a table with a person on it who has been slit from neck to groin, it probably wouldn't be the worst idea in the world to wear a mask.  I personally would leave instead but hey, each to his own.

35 minutes ago, Nightcrawler said:

Or is it just the Covid virus that renders them useless? 

No, what makes them useless is the relative size of the pores in the masks vs. the size of the virus particles.  Coronavirus virions are about the same size as smoke particles.  Trying to block them with a paper mask is like trying to keep mosquitos out of your house with a chain-link fence. 

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-relative-size-of-particles/

Also, it's well known that untrained people don't fit  masks correctly, don't change them when they should be changed, touch the surface of the mask, reuse them inappropriately etc.  All of these things negate the effect of the masks, including N95 respirators.

Edited May 4, 2023 by Rompho Ray

[Rompho Ray]

41 minutes ago, fygjam said:

Interestingly Cochrane Reviews, the source that said masks don't work, also said the vaccines including the mRNA vaccines do work.

That depends on your definition of a vaccine "working".  

Up until the Bat Soup Flu dem-panic ...err, pandemic, a vaccine was defined thus:

Http://web.archive.Org/web/20120710132002/Https://Www.cdc.Gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.Htm

Immunization: The process by which a person or animal becomes protected against a disease. This term is often used interchangeably with vaccination or inoculation.

Vaccination: Injection of a killed or weakened infectious organism in order to prevent the disease.

That is clearly not what was said in your quotation.  The Bat Soup Flu "vaccines" don't prevent infection or spread, so they don't work by definition of a vaccine "working".

It also doesn't help that the people in charge of promoting the "vaccines" during the dem-panic later admitted that they knew the vaccines didn't work, by that definition.

 

Edited May 4, 2023 by Rompho Ray

[Nightcrawler]

19 minutes ago, Rompho Ray said:

 

No, what makes them useless is the relative size of the pores in the masks vs. the side of the viruses.  Coronavirus virions are about the same size as smoke particles.  Trying to block them with a paper mask is like trying to keep mosquitos out of your house with a chain-link fence. 

Also, it's well known that untrained people don't fit  masks correctly, don't change them when they should be changed, touch the surface of the mask, reuse them inappropriately etc.  All of these things negate the effect of the masks, including N95 respirators.

So, there is training required to wear a mask, which as you say is ineffective in blocking C19 virions? 

So if the mask was fitted correctly, then how would that make any difference if the mask itself was useless? It doesn't make sense  

If I was infected with a C19 strain and having symptoms of the virus, I am wearing a protective standard mask and I sneeze ........... would the Spital travelling at 100 miles per hour be buffered ? The answer to that is yes . It would reduced the effect of both the speed and the content of droplets containing the virus. 

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[Rompho Ray]

18 minutes ago, Nightcrawler said:

So, there is training required to wear a mask, which as you say is ineffective in blocking C19 virions? ...etc.

Yes and yes.  

There are three main types of masks:  Cloth masks, paper surgical masks, and N95-style respirators.

Cloth masks are almost totally ineffective no matter how they're worn due to the pore sizes involved.  They have been dismissed as little more than "facial decorations".

https://reason.com/2021/12/21/leana-wen-cloth-mask-facial-decorations-covid-cdc-guidance/

Paper surgical masks are ineffective because of the size of the pores, and also because they don't seal around the mouth and nose effectively.

N95 masks can block BSF virus particles, but only if they're fitted correctly, and worn exactly in accordance with the manufacturer's directions, including for length of time, and taking the recommended handling precautions.  We both know very well that the average person is not familiar with the correct use of N95 respirators, and would almost definitely violate their protective integrity rapidly.

So, for different, practical reasons respectively, each type of mask doesn't work.  So, masks don't work.  QED

18 minutes ago, Nightcrawler said:

It doesn't make sense  

Hopefully it does now.  If not, google is your friend, but only if you use it to investigate my statements, rather than to try to confirm your priors.

Edited May 4, 2023 by Rompho Ray

[Nightcrawler]

15 minutes ago, Rompho Ray said:

That depends on your definition of a vaccine "working".  

Up until the Bat Soup Flu dem-panic ...err, pandemic, a vaccine was defined thus:

Http://web.archive.Org/web/20120710132002/Https://Www.cdc.Gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.Htm

Immunization: The process by which a person or animal becomes protected against a disease. This term is often used interchangeably with vaccination or inoculation.

Vaccination: Injection of a killed or weakened infectious organism in order to prevent the disease.

That is clearly not what was said in your quotation.  The Bat Soup Flu vaccines don't prevent infection or spread, so they don't work by definition of a vaccine "working".

It also doesn't help that the people in charge of promoting the "vaccines" during the dem-panic later admitted that they knew the vaccines didn't work, by that definition.

 

What is the difference between "bat soup flu" and Covid 19 virus? Or is that the scientific name for C19? 😁

[Rompho Ray]

1 minute ago, Nightcrawler said:

What is the difference between "bat soup flu" and Covid 19 virus? Or is that the scientific name for C19? 😁

The "Bat Soup Flu" is what COVID 19 is called by people who don't need a sense of humor gland implant.  

[Nightcrawler]

3 minutes ago, Rompho Ray said:

Yes and yes.  

There are three main types of masks:  Cloth masks, paper surgical masks, and N95-style respirators.

Cloth masks are almost totally ineffective no matter how they're worn due to the pore sizes involved.  They have been dismissed as little more than "facial decorations".

https://reason.com/2021/12/21/leana-wen-cloth-mask-facial-decorations-covid-cdc-guidance/

Paper surgical masks are ineffective because of the size of the pores, and also because they don't seal around the mouth and nose effectively.

N95 masks can block BSF virus particles, but only if they're fitted correctly, and worn exactly in accordance with the manufacturer's spedifications, including for length of time, and taking the recommended handling precautions.  We both know very well that the average person is not familiar with the correct use of N95 respirators, and would almost definitely violate their protective integrity rapidly.

So, for different, practical reasons respectively, each type of mask doesn't work.  So, masks don't work.  QED

Hopefully it does now.  If not, google is your friend, but only if you use it to investigate my statements, rather than to try to confirm your priors.

Google can be a friend for whatever one choses to beleive and find something that qualifies their belief.

So N95 masks can work if properly fitted?

 

[Nightcrawler]

5 minutes ago, Rompho Ray said:

The "Bat Soup Flu" is what COVID 19 is called by people who don't need a sense of humor gland implant.  

Sorry, I didn't realise it was meant to be funny. I must have no sense of humour  🙂 or a Glandular deficit 

I never really saw C19 as a laughing matter, especially after a relative died of it. 

I can just imagine cracking that gag at his funeral. 

[Rompho Ray]

Just now, Nightcrawler said:

Google can be a friend for whatever one choses to beleive and find something that qualifies their belief.

As I said.

1 minute ago, Nightcrawler said:

So N95 masks can work if properly fitted?

...and always used exactly as directed by the manufacturer.  That includes duration of wear, no touching of the mask, not repeatedly taking it off and on, and ESPECIALLY without facial hair or anything else that would violate the integrity of the seal.

So, for normal, untrained and unqualified people in normal circumstances, practially speaking, no.

[Nightcrawler]

1 minute ago, Rompho Ray said:

As I said.

...and always used exactly as directed by the manufacturer.  That includes duration of wear, no touching of the mask, not repeatedly taking it off and on, and ESPECIALLY without facial hair or anything else that would violate the integrity of the seal.

So, for normal, untrained and unqualified people in normal circumstances, practially speaking, no.

However, properly used by trained people, they are effective? 

I wonder what level of training is needed to wear these masks, that a non professional would need. 

I would imagine that a basic set of instructions would be adequate to those of us who can read  

[Rompho Ray]

1 minute ago, Nightcrawler said:

Sorry, I didn't realise it was meant to be funny. I must have no sense of humour  🙂 or a Glandular deficit 

Or you prefer to get wound up rather than chatting about this in a relaxed manner. 

I realize that it's not easy to be confronted with new information about things we thought we knew about, but we can minimize that by staying informed, which especially includes looking beyond governments and the LMSM, which the "Twitter files" show are increasingly intertwined, for information.  It also involves making sure that we're not only seeking to confirm our priors, rather than honestly seeking information.  (BTW, I take it you've heard about the "Twitter files"?)

As I said earlier, I got the Janssen vaccine, because I previously believed it worked.  It took a lot of statistical data, and later scientific data, to change my mind.  I still believe in e.g. the polio vaccine, etc.  The BSF "vaccines" though no, I've seen enough.

[Rompho Ray]

8 minutes ago, Nightcrawler said:

However, properly used by trained people, they are effective? 

Apparently.  To what degree and for how long I'm not sure.  I'm simply confident that the jimoke alone in a sealed car wearing an N95 pulled down under his nose is probably not qualified.

8 minutes ago, Nightcrawler said:

I wonder what level of training is needed to wear these masks, that a non professional would need. 

https://ehs.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/N95-Respirator-Training-Handout.pdf

8 minutes ago, Nightcrawler said:

I would imagine that a basic set of instructions would be adequate to those of us who can read  

...and were willing to go through the time, expense and aggravation to wear them correctly every single time, probably.  For a while.

Edited May 4, 2023 by Rompho Ray

[Nightcrawler]

Just now, Rompho Ray said:

Or you prefer to get wound up rather than chatting about this in a relaxed manner. 

I realize that it's not easy to be confronted with new information about things we thought we knew about, but we can minimize that by staying informed, which especially includes looking beyond governments and the LMSM, which the "Twitter files" show are increasingly intertwined, for information.  It also involves making sure that we're not only seeking to confirm our priors, rather than honestly seeking information.  (BTW, I take it you've heard about the "Twitter files"?)

As I said earlier, I got the Janssen vaccine, because I previously believed it worked.  It took a lot of statistical data, and later scientific data, to change my mind.  I still believe in e.g. the polio vaccine, etc.  The BSF "vaccines" though no, I've seen enough.

I'm not wound up at all😁 in fact I in my dressing gown, still, sipping a rather nice Australian Shiraz 👍

There are loads of conflicting views and so called evidence or non evidences of both masks, vaccines, origins of virus, conspiracy theories, scientific theories. I have read a lot of them. 

We can all read, but as a non professional, much of the stuff I have read, dies not totally convince me either way.  I too had 3 vaccinations, I'm still alive, not caught Covid and wore a mask where it was required or where I wanted to feel a little safer.

None of that really matters now, unless of course A further more deadly strain appears, and I am now over 70 and perhaps more vulnerable..

I don't really care that much , to be honest. Governments around the world would have been slated if they had simply done nothing, including vaccines, mask protection, social distancing etc .  Damn or be damned  

The only medical expert, for want of a better word, that I know, is my Doctor.  If he contacts me this year and suggests that I have another booster, then I am inclined to take his advice, as opposed to combing the Internet to help make that decision. 

Whilst there is still plenty of evidence out there to suggest that vaccines saved lives, then I am happy with that  

I certainly do not believe that there are mind controlling microchips within the serum😁😁

[Nightcrawler]

18 minutes ago, Rompho Ray said:

Apparently.  To what degree and for how long I'm not sure.  I'm simply confident that the jimoke alone in a sealed car wearing an N95 pulled down under his nose is probably not qualified.

https://ehs.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/N95-Respirator-Training-Handout.pdf

...and were willing to go through the time, expense and aggravation to wear them correctly every single time, probably.  For a while.

When I purchased my N95, it came with instructions. I wouldn't call it training to any professional level though. Mostly common sense. 

So it's not the mask that is useless, just some of the people who wear them? That's a slightly different matter. 

I am glad that I wore it correctly and that it would have given some protection in doing so.

[Rompho Ray]

2 minutes ago, Nightcrawler said:

Governments around the world would have been slated if they had simply done nothing, including vaccines, mask protection, social distancing etc .

Well, why is that?  In what prior instance was this the case?

Between 1967 and 1970 there was a flu pandemic, H3N2 (commonly referred to as the "Hong Kong Flu" at the time, and without anyone being called a "racist"), that claimed ~50 million lives worldwide, including ~700,000 in the US.  The only thing I remember from that period of time is Woodstock; the government was not "slated" for "allowing" it.

Why?  What was so different about the Bat Soup Flu?

[Rompho Ray]

3 minutes ago, Nightcrawler said:

So it's not the mask that is useless, just some of the people who wear them? That's a slightly different matter. 

They're useless for stopping viruses unless you use them correctly.  Whether to trust the average person to read, understand and follow those instructions to the letter is a different matter, I grant you.