COVID 19 Related to THAILAND Posts

[Horizondave]

9 hours ago, boydeste said:

The new Government 22 page document strickly says no travel for holidays here or abroad. You can only stay over night at your main residence. There are a few exceptions, whether a personal family situation ie berevement could be used as an excuse I don't know.

Yes, no overseas travel allowed except for work, essential reasons. Wales is in lockdown like England, we are not even meant to go anywhere outside of our county

 

 

[Sangsom]

1 hour ago, Horizondave said:

Yes, no overseas travel allowed except for work, essential reasons. Wales is in lockdown like England, we are not even meant to go anywhere outside of our county

 

 

What do we think will fly as essential reasons? Father sick and need to go and help care for him and help mum with the family business as father can’t work?

[Esco]

7 minutes ago, Sangsom said:

What do we think will fly as essential reasons? Father sick and need to go and help care for him and help mum with the family business as father can’t work?

If they are Thai citizens they have a right to go home.

[Sangsom]

7 minutes ago, Esco said:

If they are Thai citizens they have a right to go home.

Cool. Makes sense to have a reason lined up as well just in case I suppose.....

[coxyhog]

2 hours ago, Sangsom said:

What do we think will fly as essential reasons? Father sick and need to go and help care for him and help mum with the family business as father can’t work?

Not forgetting the buffalo....

[Horizondave]

3 hours ago, Esco said:

If they are Thai citizens they have a right to go home.

Porn went to Thailand but she had a reason which was to go look after her mother as she had just had an operation and needed looking after but we were not in a full lockdown when she left Wales.

Officially the fact that someone is Thai may not be a good excuse as presumably she is not a Thai tourist enjoying a holiday in the UK with a need to return.  If she is working on a permit legally in the UK, it would likely be a settlement type visa etc and therefore she would be expected to follow the rules as per other UK nationals.

For her to travel they also do not recommend public transport so to go to an airport would probably require a second person driving her which again leads to the thought that is it really essential.

The whole idea of these lockdowns is to prevent the spread of the virus so the lockdowns are in place for that reason.

The GOV.UK website for each country in the UK offers in depth rules for leaving the front door of your house. If someones family was seriously ill then that could be used as an excuse but many people have not even been able to visit their sick and dying relatives in hospital as the rules have prevented it. 

You can legally go to the airport and pick somebody up and transport them back to their home even in a lockdown but leaving the country unless for a very valid reason is really a no no.  Travel insurance could be invalidated as well although a Thai may not worry too much once in Thailand although the travel insurance covers many things that might not be valid if traveling during a lockdown.

Personally if there was a genuine reason to travel (in emergency) then fine but just to have a holiday, a break, well wouldn't we all like to do that.

[lazarus]

Have to wonder if they'd been doing "proactive" testing all along might there have been a different story..?

Samut Sakhon confirms another 900 COVID-19 cases

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/samut-sakhon-confirms-another-900-covid-19-cases/

Thailand’s Samut Sakhon province has confirmed another 900 new COVID-19 cases, from proactive screening of about 3,800 workers in local factories.

The province’s public health department says they are considering using the factories as quarantine facilities.

Dr. Opas Karnkawinpong, permanent secretary at the disease control department, said that the infections across Samut Sakhon and adjacent areas are 71% Myanmar nationals, 24% Thais and 5% other nationals.

These latest infections bring the total for Samut Sakhon to 2,296 cases, mostly resulting from active case finding and proactive screening in the province.

Due to this large increase in cases, officials are considering setting up quarantine areas and field hospitals in the grounds of factories, similar to those in the Central shrimp market. Infected people, who display no symptoms for more than ten days, will be considered to have recovered.

[lazarus]

Then again...there's always another (alternative) story in Thailand.

A big contradiction in reported COVID infection numbers in Samut Sakhon

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/a-big-contradiction-in-reported-covid-infection-numbers-in-samut-sakhon/

There is a big discrepancy in the COVID-19 infection figures at a canned seafood exporting company in Samut Sakhon, between those reported by the provincial health office and those from the company’s management.

Responding to a report on social media, which claims that more than 900 employees of the Thai Union Group, a major seafood exporter, have been found to be infected with the virus, Dr.Naretrith Khatthaseema, the provincial health chief, said today that active tests, conducted by health officials of employees of the company, have confirmed that more than 900 are infected.

He said that the provincial health office has already reported to the Bangkok-based CCSA twice, the infection figures of 541 and 470, adding that the figures came from tests conducted in all the factories affiliated with the company.

He also said that all the infected have been isolated in quarantine.

Dr. Naretrith explained that health officials have launched active random screening tests among employees in more than 10,000 factories in Samut Sakhon, with the focus on about 200 factories which employ more than 200 people each.

If more than 10% of the employees in one factory are found to be infected, he said the officials test all the employees there, adding that the screening tests have, so far, covered 20 such factories.

Thai Union Group CEO, Thirapong Chansiri said, however, that, as of Tuesday, 23,630 of the group’s 27,552 employees, or 85%percent, have been given PCR tests and only 69 of them, or 0.29%, tested positive.

He said all those who tested positive have been isolated or sent to hospitals if they develop symptoms.

He assured that the company has strictly followed the safety guidelines and has been cooperating with health officials in the effort to prevent the disease from spreading, adding that all the company’s factories are operating as normal.

Thirapong also said that the company has imposed restrictions on the movements of the employees and encouraged office based staff to work from home.

[Murchie]

Does anyone know if the Tourist Visa Exemption was officially approved and is still in place. 

https://thaiest.com/blog/thailand-visa-exemption-during-covid-19

 

[Murchie]

https://covidtracker.5lab.co/en

For those in Thailand. 

[Painter]

1 hour ago, Murchie said:

Does anyone know if the Tourist Visa Exemption was officially approved and is still in place. 

https://thaiest.com/blog/thailand-visa-exemption-during-covid-19

 

Yes. There are people in various fakebook groups who have entered Thailand on them. You still need a certificate of entry.

[forcebwithu]

1 hour ago, Murchie said:

https://covidtracker.5lab.co/en

For those in Thailand. 

I find this one easier to use

https://covid19.ddc.moph.go.th/en

[Murchie]

18 hours ago, Painter said:

Yes. There are people in various fakebook groups who have entered Thailand on them. You still need a certificate of entry.

Do you have names or links to these groups. TIA

[Painter]

4 hours ago, Murchie said:

Do you have names or links to these groups. TIA

PM sent

[lazarus]

Klong Toey market closed after vendor tests positive

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2049855/klong-toey-market-closed-after-vendor-tests-positive

Klong Toey Market, a major wet market in central Bangkok has been closed for three days, from Wednesday, after a vendor tested positive for Covid-19...

...The vendor at Klong Toey market, who is asymptomatic, has been put in quarantine after a saliva test showed that she had been infected with the coronavirus, according to Klong Toey district director Piyada Niyom...

[Jambo]

The common theme seems to be that when "mass" testing takes place they identify numbers of positive cases.

e.g. 900 from 3,800 tests in factories in Samut Sakhon.

Or is it 2,296 in total positive cases in the Region?

What about the remainder of the Thai population who are not screened?

Impossible to screen everybody or anything like everybody. Nevertheless, the numbers of positive cases where screening does take place appears to indicate that there simply must be significant numbers of the remainder of the population infected that nobody knows about.

It is going to be many months before significant numbers of the population are vaccinated. In line with much of the rest of the world, It could get an awful lot worse in Thailand before it gets better.

[maipenrai]

41 minutes ago, Jambo said:

The common theme seems to be that when "mass" testing takes place they identify numbers of positive cases.

e.g. 900 from 3,800 tests in factories in Samut Sakhon.

Or is it 2,296 in total positive cases in the Region?

What about the remainder of the Thai population who are not screened?

Impossible to screen everybody or anything like everybody. Nevertheless, the numbers of positive cases where screening does take place appears to indicate that there simply must be significant numbers of the remainder of the population infected that nobody knows about.

It is going to be many months before significant numbers of the population are vaccinated. In line with much of the rest of the world, It could get an awful lot worse in Thailand before it gets better.

I think there have been all along, even during the months when Thailand seemed to be such a success story compared to so many other afflicted parts of the world; after all, if you are not doing any testing you're not going to find any positive cases...

[Esco]

1 hour ago, maipenrai said:

I think there have been all along, even during the months when Thailand seemed to be such a success story compared to so many other afflicted parts of the world; after all, if you are not doing any testing you're not going to find any positive cases...

So where the 1000s of deaths Thailand should be having with a population of 70 million? Where are the hospitals full with covid patients? You can't have one without the other. 

[Scotty]

5 minutes ago, Esco said:

So where the 1000s of deaths Thailand should be having with a population of 70 million? Where are the hospitals full with covid patients? You can't have one without the other. 

Absolutely. They have either had and got over it, or never actually had it. They are not hiding 1000s of deaths, that’s just impossible. 

[Horizondave]

3 minutes ago, Scotty said:

Absolutely. They have either had and got over it, or never actually had it. They are not hiding 1000s of deaths, that’s just impossible. 

Yes and they ensured anybody arriving in the country over the last 9 months or so had been placed in quarantine which has stemmed the virus immensely. 

 

[Smiler]

Have I got this wrong?

I understood the vaccine doesn't actually stop you from catching the virus or for that matter passing it on. It helps the body fight the symptoms.

So if the above is correct I still can't see countries, for the foreseeable, opening their borders to travelers even if they have had the jab unless they provide a negative test before travel, or in the case of most SE Asia, doing 15 days quarantine.

Edited January 13, 2021 by Smiler
I am slightly mao

[boydeste]

5 minutes ago, Smiler said:

Have I got this wrong?

I understood the vaccine doesn't actually stop you from catching the virus or for that matter passing it on. It helps the body fight the symptoms.

So if the above is correct I still can't see countries, for the foreseeable, opening their borders to travelers even if they have had the jab unless they provide a negative test before travel, or in the case of most SE Asia, doing 15 days quarantine.

I agree.

[fygjam]

19 minutes ago, Smiler said:

Have I got this wrong?

I understood the vaccine doesn't actually stop you from catching the virus or for that matter passing it on. It helps the body fight the symptoms.

So if the above is correct I still can't see countries, for the foreseeable, opening their borders to travelers even if they have had the jab unless they provide a negative test before travel, or in the case of most SE Asia, doing 15 days quarantine.

No, you are correct.

The end points for the vaccine clinical trials were that vaccination prevented Covid-19. That's the disease.

The vaccine does NOT prevent a person from being infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, just prevents the worst effects of being infected.

Whether a vaccinated person can pass on the infection has yet to be determined.

I think the newly vaccinated making plans to visit third world shitholes might have to wait until the third world shithole also vaccinates their population.

The WHO has warned it does not have evidence COVID-19 vaccines prevent people from passing the virus on to
other people and require the same precautions as people without the jab – such as quarantine.

WHO Chief Scientist Dr Soumya Swaminathan made the remarks after the media questioned whether people
who get vaccinated would still need to quarantine when visiting countries with low transmission rates.

“I don't believe we have the evidence on any of the vaccines to be confident that it's going to prevent people from actually getting the infection and therefore being able to pass it on,” Dr Swaminathan said in a media conference.

“Until we know more, we need to assume that people who have been vaccinated also need to take the same
precautions until there is a certain level of herd immunity.

“What we’re learning now, and we continue to wait for more results from the vaccine trails, is to really understand if these vaccines, apart from preventing symptomatic disease and severe disease and deaths, whether they’re also going to reduce infections or prevent people from getting infected with the virus, prevent them from passing it on, or transmitting it to other people.

“This is a dynamic and evolving field, and I think our understanding and our recommendations will change as we
get more follow-up data from these trials.”

[Painter]

31 minutes ago, Smiler said:

Have I got this wrong?

I understood the vaccine doesn't actually stop you from catching the virus or for that matter passing it on. It helps the body fight the symptoms.

So if the above is correct I still can't see countries, for the foreseeable, opening their borders to travelers even if they have had the jab unless they provide a negative test before travel, or in the case of most SE Asia, doing 15 days quarantine.

Even in your slightly mao state, you are correct!

Despite it being said by genuine experts and Facebook experts time and time again, I am always amazed by the number of people who don't, or choose not to, understand this.

[Esco]

39 minutes ago, Smiler said:

Have I got this wrong?

I understood the vaccine doesn't actually stop you from catching the virus or for that matter passing it on. It helps the body fight the symptoms.

So if the above is correct I still can't see countries, for the foreseeable, opening their borders to travelers even if they have had the jab unless they provide a negative test before travel, or in the case of most SE Asia, doing 15 days quarantine.

Countries like Thailand probably won't open their borders until every citizen is vaccinated, and even then they may insist quarantine given the various strains out there, in which case you can write off 2021 already.