lazarus Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Unfortunately in the US it's another story...The coronavirus surge is real, and it's everywhere https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-surge-map-7714f8d1-5ba1-46f8-9bf3-5d59938f2c95.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100&fbclid=IwAR2xhp7rbKqWxVmKHmK_X8hz2KmjtUiAwQOOtGmwFgX4nJ2lHjtaNvT9fN4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fforest Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 (edited) Just say you have asthma and you can not wear a mask.......Lots of people are escaping from the mask madness this way ......Lots of people posting this on the internet.... Edited June 25, 2020 by fforest 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 1 hour ago, fforest said: Just say you have asthma and you can not wear a mask.......Lots of people are escaping from the mask madness this way ......Lots of people posting this on the internet.... Asthma? Say to who? Your dog? People with asthma are more likely to die from COVID-19. They're the ones who should be wearing a mask. Good try, though. Just say while jumping up & down & rolling your eyes... "I'm an imbecile."...or, "Methinks it's mask madness." People will easily understand why that person is not wearing a mask, and happily keep their social distance. . . . COVID-19 is more likely to hospitalize and even kill people with these preexisting conditions https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/COVID-19-is-more-likely-to-hospitalize-and-even-15365164.php New data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, for instance, found that hospitalizations were six times higher among patients with underlying medical conditions. These patients were 12 times more likely to die of the virus than patients who had been healthy. Chronic heart disease, diabetes, obesity, and chronic lung disease were the most commonly reported underlying medical conditions, according to the CDC. . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stillearly Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 5555 so many fcukwits around 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jambo Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 6 hours ago, lazarus said: . . . COVID-19 is more likely to hospitalize and even kill people with these preexisting conditions https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/COVID-19-is-more-likely-to-hospitalize-and-even-15365164.php New data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, for instance, found that hospitalizations were six times higher among patients with underlying medical conditions. These patients were 12 times more likely to die of the virus than patients who had been healthy. Chronic heart disease, diabetes, obesity, and chronic lung disease were the most commonly reported underlying medical conditions, according to the CDC. . . Is that meant to be a surprise? The only surprise would have been if it had been found that they were less likely to be hospitalised than those without underlying pre-medical conditions. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 49 minutes ago, Jambo said: Is that meant to be a surprise? The only surprise would have been if it had been found that they were less likely to be hospitalised than those without underlying pre-medical conditions. The CDC is just catching up with the data. As of today 126,780 Americans have died from COVID-19. They also said they believe there are 10x more people infected than the 2,504,588 people who have been identified. I brought it up in the context of "fforest" saying you can avoid wearing a mask by saying you have asthma. A mask would not affect an asthmatic's breathing -- unless they contracted COVID because they would not wear one. data: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatbhoytim Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 4 hours ago, lazarus said: unless they contracted COVID because they would not wear one. It has been scientifically proven that wearing a mask does NOT protect the wearer from Covid-19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, fatbhoytim said: It has been scientifically proven that wearing a mask does NOT protect the wearer from Covid-19. Hmmm...ok. I'll amend the text you quoted: "...unless they contracted COVID because they - or someone else -- would not wear one." COVID-19: How much protection do face masks offer?https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449 Can face masks help prevent the spread of the coronavirus that causes COVID-19? Yes, face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand-washing and social distancing, help slow the spread of the virus. Edited June 26, 2020 by lazarus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 hour ago, fatbhoytim said: It has been scientifically proven that wearing a mask does NOT protect the wearer from Covid-19. So all those doctors wearing masks while treating Covid-19 patients are wasting their time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Not good. Should've worn masks. North Texas family shaken after 18 relatives test positive for COVID-19 following family gathering https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/north-texas-family-shaken-after-18-relatives-test-positive-for-covid-19-following-surprise-birthday-party/287-ea8960ea-4c3c-40c1-b75e-f4437fe6f836?fbclid=IwAR1N26gPGAAOIye3_0cfVf-Ca--Ic8YQk1pQKUqTD3djOvb4I_VxkTfmeyk ...all began on May 30 when just a single relative, unknowingly infected with COVID-19, interacted with seven family members at a surprise birthday party who later tested positive. Now, Ron Barbosa is keeping track of 18 people in his family who have tested positive for COVID-19. Per Barbosa, those seven family members contracted and spread the virus to 10 other relatives either at the party or through other family interactions.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the terrible Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 hour ago, fatbhoytim said: It has been scientifically proven that wearing a mask does NOT protect the wearer from Covid-19. it depends on the mask ,standard surgical masks protect others from those that wear it ...however if we all wore one...that should be the plan Respirator masks (N95) protect the wearer and others 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizondave Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, fygjam said: So all those doctors wearing masks while treating Covid-19 patients are wasting their time? This is one of those emotive subjects as well as a health issue. 1. There are those who won't wear a mask because it upsets their view on civil liberties etc and to wear one isn't an option and they will look way passed any health concerns. 2. There are those who believe it has no health benefit or even a negative effect. 3. There are those who believe it to be of benefit in protecting them as they have been advised by the powers that be and the medical czars that in a balanced view it is a positive action. These are called sheep by certain people who usually fall in to category 1 (especially) or possibly 2. I probably fall in to category 3 mainly because I want to believe our government and it's advisors believe it to be a benefit in not only protecting me but that it 'may' inhibit the spread of the virus and therefore may benefit those around me. I have not looked in depth into the any medical reports and papers in Lancet or any other health channel but I try to look at the balanced view that even if it is not 100% of a protection it may have some benefit. I would probably not normally wear one outside of a pandemic although even in normal times I could see a benefit from pollution or from sitting beside some one with a really bad cough or sneezing fit. I once caught a really bad infection from sitting next to a Korean in a minivan in Phuket, this guy could not stop coughing and I felt very uncomfortable being in the same space. The following week I got a virus or infection that gave me one week of the most sick feeling I had ever had, too weak to go to a doctor even. Maybe, just maybe, wearing a mask would have been a benefit to me. I also see that surgeons wear them during surgery (specialist masks of course) to stop any bacterial transmission being transferred to their patients. They are wearing masks when treating patients and I presume with other PPE and cleanliness actions they see it as preventing their patients getting ill plus in these pandemic times these same PPE will protect those very surgeons/doctors to a high degree even if not 100% (as has been proven). Even if the likelihood of getting Covid whilst wearing a mask is minimal or even unlikely I still see a benefit. I don't have an issue with Big Brother, with Government conspiracies and an issue with my civil liberties, I just see it as sensible and if I get told in a few months none of us ever needed to wear a mask then so be it but right now on balance given what I am hearing I am happy to continue to wear one. Edited June 26, 2020 by Horizondave 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) I went grocery shopping today......No mask......As a added bonus I also dogged the temperature gun.....Unfortunately only a few others had no mask...... The checkout girl was cute and friendly......After she helped me pack my bag I gave her a big smile.... Do you know what her response was to my big smile was? Well I could not tell you because she was wearing a mask.... Edited June 26, 2020 by fforest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizondave Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 minute ago, fforest said: I went grocery shopping today......No mask......As a added bonus I also dogged the temperature gun.....Unfortunately only a few others had no mask...... The checkout girl was cute and friendly......After she helped me pack my bag I gave her a big smile.... Do you know what her response to my big smile was? Well I could not tell you because she was wearing a mask.... I hope you didn't 'dog' the temperature gun, that would have been amusing to watch..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, Horizondave said: I hope you didn't 'dog' the temperature gun, that would have been amusing to watch..... Probably did a downward dog for the ladyboy with the temperature gun. Rectal temperatures are meant to be more accurate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the terrible Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Jambo said: Is that meant to be a surprise? The only surprise would have been if it had been found that they were less likely to be hospitalised than those without underlying pre-medical conditions. There is a disparity however ,people with preexisting lung disease eg COPD are very strangely much less of a risk of death than those with obesity ,metabolic syndrome,diabetes,ischaemic heart disease...there is strong evidence that if you survive the initial respiratory insult your cardiovasular fitness will determine whether you live or die.Asthmatics for example only have a very mild increased risk compared to the general population This underlines that this is in large part a metabolic and vascular disease...its a very very strange one An inhaled disease which when it gains access to your blood vessels then proceeds to wreck them completely with miniblood clots all over the shop..lung blood vells,kidney blood vessels ,heart blood vessels etc depriving those organs of oxygen and then segmentally die Edited June 26, 2020 by Ivan the terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the terrible Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 11 minutes ago, Horizondave said: I hope you didn't 'dog' the temperature gun, that would have been amusing to watch..... I think zero degrees indicates the same level of cerebral activity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 I sure hope that fforest does not end up behind closed doors...who will make the nice women risking their lives at the stores smile? "...As one research team noted, men are especially likely to opt out of wearing masks, believing them to be “shameful,” “a sign of weakness,” and “not cool”—even though men are at higher risk than women of dying from coronavirus infection. .." "...trying to shame people into wearing masks will only cement their resistance—and perhaps even drive them to socialize behind closed doors, where being unmasked is higher risk. Public health works best when it recognizes and supports people’s needs and desires without judgment. " The Dudes Who Won’t Wear Masks https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/dudes-who-wont-wear-masks/613375/?fbclid=IwAR0Tn4cwwmu9BGPKbo07AMb80bPVFXXGUuK-j9hpi1YgFbwvFacyO2Ls73c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the terrible Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, lazarus said: I sure hope that fforest does not end up behind closed doors...who will make the nice women risking their lives at the stores smile? "...As one research team noted, men are especially likely to opt out of wearing masks, believing them to be “shameful,” “a sign of weakness,” and “not cool”—even though men are at higher risk than women of dying from coronavirus infection. .." "...trying to shame people into wearing masks will only cement their resistance—and perhaps even drive them to socialize behind closed doors, where being unmasked is higher risk. Public health works best when it recognizes and supports people’s needs and desires without judgment. " The Dudes Who Won’t Wear Masks https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/dudes-who-wont-wear-masks/613375/?fbclid=IwAR0Tn4cwwmu9BGPKbo07AMb80bPVFXXGUuK-j9hpi1YgFbwvFacyO2Ls73c look...dont demonise people...the person most at risk is himself...it would be nice if he adopted the consensus brief for his own sake and to a much lesser extent others around him , I would hope that he is an honourable person and,should he develop symptoms he would go get tested and then isolate..UNTIL A NEGATIVE TEST RESULT...I would be interested to hear fforest's comments on this issue... We do all need to make our own decisions ...unless you want to live in caves..WITH BATS.. we need to get something approximating normal life going on...yes there will be deaths for sure...but in this circumstance who holds the scales of justice as to deaths on either side...a man much braver than I would take up that mantle...its a poisoned sword to boot,...if you excuse my tiptoing into "critical limb fluidity theory" ..damn..did it again ..forgot the chalice/ throat Edited June 26, 2020 by Ivan the terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krapow Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 25 minutes ago, Ivan the terrible said: look...dont demonise people...the person most at risk is himself...it would be nice if he adopted the consensus brief for his own sake and to a much lesser extent others around him , I would hope that he is an honourable person and,should he develop symptoms he would go get tested and then isolate..UNTIL A NEGATIVE TEST RESULT...I would be interested to hear fforest's comments on this issue... We do all need to make our own decisions ...unless you want to live in caves..WITH BATS.. we need to get something approximating normal life going on...yes there will be deaths for sure...but in this circumstance who holds the scales of justice as to deaths on either side...a man much braver than I would take up that mantle...its a poisoned sword to boot,...if you excuse my tiptoing into "critical limb fluidity theory" ..damn..did it again ..forgot the throat Pish! All through this thread he tires to ridicule people, call them sheeple etc for being responsible and following the guidelines, potentially saving lives. If gives it, he gets it back, them's the rules. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krapow Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Jesus 😬 The US recorded an all-time daily high of 40,000 coronavirus cases on Thursday, according to figures from Johns Hopkins University (JHU). As a mentioned earlier, recent surge in infections and hospitalisations has prompted some states and cities to pause their reopening plans. JHU's previous high of 36,400 was on 24 April when less testing was taking place. The US has 2.4 million confirmed infections and more than 124,000 deaths - more than any other country, according to JHU. While some of the increase in daily cases recorded is down to increased testing, the rate of positive tests in some areas is also increasing. US health officials have also said they estimate the true number of cases is likely to be 10 times higher than the reported figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, Krapow said: Pish! All through this thread he tires to ridicule people, call them sheeple etc for being responsible and following the guidelines, potentially saving lives. If gives it, he gets it back in spades, them's the rules. FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the terrible Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 31 minutes ago, Krapow said: Pish! All through this thread he tires to ridicule people, call them sheeple etc for being responsible and following the guidelines, potentially saving lives. If gives it, he gets it back, them's the rules. there is no road map for this...at least question your own preconceptions...I have had to do likewise Listen openly not with rancour because no one really knows what to do...now the overwhelming NHS meme (or whatever health service ..)of absolute catastrophe has gone but there is still real risk... Do we have to make value judgements now? or can it wait?? ... and this will be challenging to everyone Im sure....it is who is in eugenic terms "the most worthy of survival "..its not an inane choice ,there will be mass death in which thousands die either side in a population model ... either by virus or by starvation /deprivation particularly in the 3rd world Or do we procrastinate and hope...central banks can only do ,so much We are at stage 1 ..without a vaccine stage 2 is coming My feeling is give it another 4 months or sooner and review...delay just a little for vaccine nirvana ..can I guess the 3.15 at Kempton...thats what they are doing...seriously...no one knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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