COVID 19 Related to THAILAND Posts

[dcfc2007]

13 hours ago, fygjam said:

So why are Americans dying at the rate of 2 per minute?

 

They aren't. 

[dcfc2007]

13 hours ago, Jambo said:

"Will soon come to terms with"

The point I was trying to make is the exact opposite to your comment.

There are no signs whatsoever that Thailand, or the general Thai population, are coming to terms with the fact that Covid19 is here for ever on a world wide basis.  To what degree vaccination reduces the number of cases and thus deaths depends upon what percentage of the worlds population take up the vaccine combined with how effective the vaccine is in practice. It is not going to eradicate Covid19 completely.  None of the "specialists" are saying that is going to happen.

So when, or if, Thailand opens up its borders to mass tourism there are bound to be some individuals arriving who will pass on the infection within Thailand. Accepting that fact is a matter of Thai politics as much as being a health issue. It means doing away completely with the quarantine requirements as that is not going to be acceptable to the mass tourist market.

At the very least it is almost certain one will not be able to fly to Thailand without quarantine unless vaccinated.

I understand what you are saying, but believe me, at some point they will release there is no such thing as 'zero covid'. That this mild illness will be around forever, much like the common cold, and the flu. 

[roomark]

5 hours ago, Yessongs said:

Ok all I hate to reign on the parade here but......you know the Thais, wifey has many friends over many years and they all keep in contact with each other right? Some are in the Gov't field, some in the Medical field, one works at the Police precinct locally,  one owns her own business ( takes care of my Visa etc) 

She told me last night that a friend of a friend, who knows somebody who works in the Gov't, who talked to somebody who works at the Hospital, who told her brother, who told her Niece, who finally talked to my wife said...you get my drift? LOL! 

Basically the rumor through out many of these types of conversations after all is said and done is, the Gov't is talking that even after a Vaccine, they are probably going to require you to quarantine still....for just 5 days after arrival instead of 14!  And that if you live here or are married to a Thai, you will not have to pay as much as a "tourist" would have to, a reduced cost of some sort. 

 Yeah I know, TIT and things change every day. 

 

If I go through the trouble of getting a vaccine it's because I want to stop all the trouble of quarantined.

If the 5 days is true eventually I am done with Thailand for the forceable, I've got no more patience for anymore bullshit as far as covid goes .

Let's see how many people will do 5 days going on a holiday ,I'm certainly not desperate enough.

[fygjam]

2 hours ago, dcfc2007 said:

They aren't. 

Ok, so one pops off the perch every 37.5 seconds (1.6 per minute) despite the effective treatments and now a vaccine.

 

 

 

[Esco]

31 minutes ago, fygjam said:

Ok, so one pops off the perch every 37.5 seconds (1.6 per minute) despite the effective treatments and now a vaccine.

 

 

 

I'd imagine many underlying health issues like obesity and diabetes combined with COVID-19 are what's causing this accelerated number of deaths per day.

Out of curiosity, how many more people are dying dailt now compared to the same period last year? 

Edit: this discussion probably belongs in the non-Thailand thread. 

Edited December 9, 2020 by Esco

[Esco]

2 hours ago, roomark said:

If I go through the trouble of getting a vaccine it's because I want to stop all the trouble of quarantined.

If the 5 days is true eventually I am done with Thailand for the forceable, I've got no more patience for anymore bullshit as far as covid goes .

Let's see how many people will do 5 days going on a holiday ,I'm certainly not desperate enough.

Plenty of people will but they usually aren't really on holiday, just living here with essentially the wrong visa. 

[Jambo]

3 hours ago, dcfc2007 said:

I understand what you are saying, but believe me, at some point they will release there is no such thing as 'zero covid'. That this mild illness will be around forever, much like the common cold, and the flu. 

This "mild illness" is still killing people albeit mostly coffin dodgers who probably would have pegged out anyway from non-covid medical issues. In the west it doesn't look good politically when half a Care Home's residents have Covid19 as cause of death on the certificate.

I think that Thailand's authorities are worried that the Thai medical facilities simply could not cope with a major outbreak of Covid19 that they consider, rightly or wrongly, might well overwhelm the hospitals.

Where I am at the moment there is a very large Government hospital and a couple of private ones. The Government Hospital is swamped with Thai's every day and that has nothing to do with Covid19. Last week Sai's "Young Sister" ( the one designated to look after the mum's every need) actually went to the Hospital at 04.00am simply to make an appointment for her Mother's dental treatment hopefully for later in that day. She was not first in the queue waiting for the appointment desk to open. Many of the Thai's in the eventual queue would have been turned away as all appointments had been filled.

[Toy Boy]

21 hours ago, Mrmango said:

As a practical matter, they are gone pretty much forever, as the world has not seen any cases for decades.

 

Let's just hope that the bloody Chinese don't manage to get their hands on some smallpox virus!

[Mrmango]

4 minutes ago, Toy Boy said:

Let's just hope that the bloody Chinese don't manage to get their hands on some smallpox virus!

Ok but we have had a vaccine for small pox for decades.

[dcfc2007]

7 hours ago, Jambo said:

This "mild illness" is still killing people albeit mostly coffin dodgers who probably would have pegged out anyway from non-covid medical issues. In the west it doesn't look good politically when half a Care Home's residents have Covid19 as cause of death on the certificate.

I think that Thailand's authorities are worried that the Thai medical facilities simply could not cope with a major outbreak of Covid19 that they consider, rightly or wrongly, might well overwhelm the hospitals.

Where I am at the moment there is a very large Government hospital and a couple of private ones. The Government Hospital is swamped with Thai's every day and that has nothing to do with Covid19. Last week Sai's "Young Sister" ( the one designated to look after the mum's every need) actually went to the Hospital at 04.00am simply to make an appointment for her Mother's dental treatment hopefully for later in that day. She was not first in the queue waiting for the appointment desk to open. Many of the Thai's in the eventual queue would have been turned away as all appointments had been filled.

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. At some point, Thailand, like the rest of the world will come to terms with the fact that covid can not be 'eliminated'. There is no such thing as 'zero covid'. This illness will circulate like other coronaviruses, but now we have a vaccine. At some point the world will come to that realisation, the drawbridges will come down and life will return to normal.

Will we need vaccinations to fly, yes, probably insurance to cover covid sickness as well. But I will bet every penny I have, that in two years time (max), tourists will be flowing in and out of Thailand in much the same numbers they were prior to covid19.  Just like they will flowing all over the world, as people come to the realisation that they can't hide forever. 

[dcfc2007]

9 hours ago, fygjam said:

Ok, so one pops off the perch every 37.5 seconds (1.6 per minute) despite the effective treatments and now a vaccine.

 

 

 

Still not true.

[Nightcrawler]

3 hours ago, dcfc2007 said:

IBut I will bet every penny I have, that in two years time (max), tourists will be flowing in and out of Thailand in much the same numbers they were prior to covid19.  

I hope you are right. Then the next question will be, will places like Pattaya recover in the meantime. 

I think that there will be a hietus in between. 

Lots of businesses have gone forever. New businesses to replace them will not emerge until there is confidence that tourist numbers will be there. I think that when we eventually return, it won't quite be the same place. For a few years at least. 

Just my opinion, I could be wrong and hope that I am 

[Jambo]

16 hours ago, dcfc2007 said:

 

Will we need vaccinations to fly, yes, probably insurance to cover covid sickness as well. But I will bet every penny I have, that in two years time (max), tourists will be flowing in and out of Thailand in much the same numbers they were prior to covid19.  Just like they will flowing all over the world, as people come to the realisation that they can't hide forever. 

I hope you are correct for we can certainly write off 2021 for tourists in any number that is for sure.

The complete abolition of quarantine/social distancing,self isolation etc is essential if mass tourism is going to return.

Having survived without mass tourism and destroyed some of the popular tourist destinations, particularly the islands,  in doing so maybe Thailand will decide just to let in the chinks and do without the great western unwashed.

 

[Starshine]

Great news...Thailand has just received its first allocation of the vaccine 

[dcfc2007]

The Pattaya News reporting that the Thai govt are mulling a further relaxing of restrictions. 

[Painter]

36 minutes ago, dcfc2007 said:

The Pattaya News reporting that the Thai govt are mulling a further relaxing of restrictions. 

Presumably similar to this one

https://www.iol.co.za/travel/world/asia/thailand-may-resume-visa-free-entry-for-tourists-but-with-mandatory-quarantine-cda99037-7b85-54f9-a375-0e2d7f73eca4

 

[dcfc2007]

10 hours ago, Painter said:

Presumably similar to this one

https://www.iol.co.za/travel/world/asia/thailand-may-resume-visa-free-entry-for-tourists-but-with-mandatory-quarantine-cda99037-7b85-54f9-a375-0e2d7f73eca4

 

Yes, I also seen somewhere that only 750 or so tourists have entered Thailand under the new STV. I actually think these proposed restrictions will see more tourists coming into Thailand. However, its not just about the situation in Thailand, some countries have a ban on international travel. But at least they're trying... 

[Esco]

4 minutes ago, dcfc2007 said:

Yes, I also seen somewhere that only 750 or so tourists have entered Thailand under the new STV. I actually think these proposed restrictions will see more tourists coming into Thailand. However, its not just about the situation in Thailand, some countries have a ban on international travel. But at least they're trying... 

The STV was too restrictive and half the embassies didn't even issue them. A farce really. 

[dcfc2007]

Just now, Esco said:

The STV was too restrictive and half the embassies didn't even issue them. A farce really. 

Hard to disagree. But I think pretty much every country on earth has their work cut out trying to attract international torusits, even a country with low rates of covid like Thailand. People either can't travel, or aren't allowed to travel, especially here in the epicentre of upside down world. 

[dcfc2007]

On 12/10/2020 at 2:10 AM, Jambo said:

I hope you are correct for we can certainly write off 2021 for tourists in any number that is for sure.

The complete abolition of quarantine/social distancing,self isolation etc is essential if mass tourism is going to return.

Having survived without mass tourism and destroyed some of the popular tourist destinations, particularly the islands,  in doing so maybe Thailand will decide just to let in the chinks and do without the great western unwashed.

 

The biggest impediment is the quarantine period. I'm dying to get back out there, but I can't fathom spending 15 days out of a 30 day holiday stuck in a hotel room. 

Personally, I think that when this is over, Pattaya will experience a high season like it hasn't done for years, maybe even decades.

All those punters and once a year trippers locked out for almost 2 years, the bars will be roaring busy for a few months at least. 

Then after that I think it will return to pretty much how it used to be, with the Chinese making up an ever greater proportion of the tourist numbers. 

[Horizondave]

Until the quarantine period comes to an end or is severely reduced I can't see the type of tourism that Thailand needs to be jumping on planes. 

There will always be those that are desperate to get back to Thailand and will pay because they have the money but normal tourism (and supposedly quality tourism) which covers more than just the single Pattaya fanatic will still hold firm until the paid quarantine reduces whatever the visa offers available.

My wife endured quarantine but it was free (very nice in fact) and is on a 7 week holiday (1 week to go) so was acceptable to her. I would like to book for next summer for the family but I may have had the vaccine by then but will my wife or child have had it and will they reduce the quarantine time.  Up to a couple of weeks ago I would have been more confident but now there are surges in infections on the borders etc so who knows.

 

[bob lt]

I'm not too bothered by quarantine although a reduction in the number of days would be preferable.

More confused by the amount of paperwork and timing of test, CofE etc. Mind you I thought the online application for  60 day tourist visa last year looked complicated but turned out okay once I started the process.

[dcfc2007]

[dcfc2007]

16 hours ago, Horizondave said:

Until the quarantine period comes to an end or is severely reduced I can't see the type of tourism that Thailand needs to be jumping on planes. 

There will always be those that are desperate to get back to Thailand and will pay because they have the money but normal tourism (and supposedly quality tourism) which covers more than just the single Pattaya fanatic will still hold firm until the paid quarantine reduces whatever the visa offers available.

My wife endured quarantine but it was free (very nice in fact) and is on a 7 week holiday (1 week to go) so was acceptable to her. I would like to book for next summer for the family but I may have had the vaccine by then but will my wife or child have had it and will they reduce the quarantine time.  Up to a couple of weeks ago I would have been more confident but now there are surges in infections on the borders etc so who knows.

 

I don't think it's just a question of money, it's also time and inconvenience. Most people of working age are unable to holiday for more than 4 weeks at a time, spendinf 2 of those weeks in quarantine won't appeal to most.

However, the situation is now much better for those folk who wish to return to thailand, I'm sure the latest easing of restrictions will allow those guys to get back and see their thai wife and families. 

[Esco]

30 minutes ago, dcfc2007 said:

So if I understand correctly you'll get your CoE once you've confirmed your ASQ booking and obtained the proper health insurance. Then it's q matter if getting your F2F and Covid test and off you go.