forcebwithu Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, Bazle said: That is very worrying for us in the UK. We are opening up in the same way as Singapore on the basis of a high vaccination rate. Singapore's rate is 49% of the population, and the UK is only a little ahead at 55%. There's enough evidence now that there can be no doubt that those at greatest risk of hospitalization and death from COVID are the unvaccinated. In countries with an effective vaccination program, how long do we give the hold outs to get their jab and do their part in stopping the spread of the virus. Conversely, how long do we continue to impose restrictions on the majority because a minority are too stupid and/or stubborn to get vaccinated. Edited July 22, 2021 by forcebwithu 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 50 minutes ago, forcebwithu said: There's enough evidence now that there can be no doubt that those at greatest risk of hospitalization and death from COVID are the unvaccinated. In countries with an effective vaccination program, how long do we give the hold outs to get their jab and do their part in stopping the spread of the virus. Conversely, how long do we continue to impose restrictions on the majority because a minority are too stupid and/or stubborn to get vaccinated. Well if people choose by free will to risk no vax then die, why should that concern the vaxed? The vaxed will have almost complete protection, except for the new variants that no one will have protection from till the next round of booster jabs.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, fforest said: Well if people choose by free will to risk no vax then die, why should that concern the vaxed? The vaxed will have almost complete protection, except for the new variants that no one will have protection from till the next round of booster jabs.. In the US (at least) children under 12 years old are not eligible for the vaccine. As the parent of a 9-yo who could still be infected by an un-vaxed person, I think that people exercising their "freedom" to not get the vaccine to be incredibly naïve and selfish. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, fforest said: Well if people choose by free will to risk no vax then die, why should that concern the vaxed? The vaxed will have almost complete protection, except for the new variants that no one will have protection from till the next round of booster jabs.. The sentence structure in my post wasn't the best. The main point I wanted to make was "how long do we continue to impose restrictions on the majority because a minority are too stupid and/or stubborn to get vaccinated". The anti-vaxxers can still make a choice not to protect themselves, but I think we need to at some point stop restricting the lives of the majority because of the few that refuse to vaccinate. Unfortunately the problem that will still remain is when the anti-vaxxer becomes ill with Covid the strain they put on the healthcare system. Sometimes to the point where those that need medical care for other reasons can no longer obtain that care because dealing with Covid infections has overwhelmed the system. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 54 minutes ago, fforest said: Well if people choose by free will to risk no vax then die, why should that concern the vaxed? The vaxed will have almost complete protection, except for the new variants that no one will have protection from till the next round of booster jabs.. And the unvaccinated become the virus factories from which the new variants will emerge. That's just the way viruses roll. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeb Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 2 hours ago, fforest said: Well if people choose by free will to risk no vax then die, why should that concern the vaxed? The vaxed will have almost complete protection, except for the new variants that no one will have protection from till the next round of booster jabs.. Those who refuse the vax can kill many people as well as themselves, they can give many people long covid - meaning long trail severe illness. Why should it concern those already vaxed - because we all have friends, family, work mates that we don't want killed or injured. Why do you even need this explained ? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Zeb said: Those who refuse the vax can kill many people as well as themselves, they can give many people long covid - meaning long trail severe illness. Why should it concern those already vaxed - because we all have friends, family, work mates that we don't want killed or injured. Why do you even need this explained ? Well these people should all get the vax then...They will not have to worry any more, the chances of them catching covid will be very remote....(I am sure they will even be giving the vax to kids soon).... Most contagious diseases seem to burn themself out over time....Some people just choose to roll the dice and take their chances.... Like this guy...... Edited July 22, 2021 by fforest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krapow Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 9 hours ago, fforest said: Well if people choose by free will to risk no vax then die, why should that concern the vaxed? The vaxed will have almost complete protection, except for the new variants that no one will have protection from till the next round of booster jabs.. This post is one of the most stupid you have ever made on this thread, and that's saying something. And it just confirms to anyone with even a tenuous grasp of reality, that you really have no clue about Coronavirus, absolutely none. The ignorance displayed in that post, in every sense of the word, is outstanding. Quite rightly you've had your arse handed to you for it. I'm surprised you know what day it is, much less anything more .... 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krapow Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 23 hours ago, Bazle said: The link between the number of cases and hospitalisations/deaths has not been broken, just considerably loosened. So, eventually, the number of cases DOES matter. Covid is far more infectious than 'flu. Cases are currently at worst levelling off, at best going down. Today's figures are near 10,000 less than this time last week, and been lower than before for a few days. Sure you can't look at just a few days in isolation, it could be 60,000 tomorrow, but it's glimmer of hope. Was it the jump for the Euros levelling off, was it as the Gov hope, the virus hitting the wall of immunity, was it a bit of both? The Politically motivated lefty professors and scientists like Deepti Gurdasani and her ilk, had the numbers far higher by now (i think they actually hope for that so they can continue to try and hammer the Tories that they despise), and no doubt the numbers will rise again when the full opening filters through. But will it be as high as some are predicting, i'm not so sure. If Boris can pull this off, hold his nerve against the politically motivated pressure, then he gets to do his dream, give a Churchillian speech to the Country like his hero did. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathmandu Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Krapow said: Cases are currently at worst levelling off, at best going down. Today's figures are near 10,000 less than this time last week, and been lower than before for a few days. I'm hopeful that at least the numbers began to climb when cases were low. If we can plateau or go down from here maybe we can start to tamp this bastard down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeb Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 15 hours ago, fforest said: Most contagious diseases seem to burn themself out over time.... Dr. Brytney Cobia, a hospitalist at Grandview Medical Center in Birmingham, in an emotional Facebook post Sunday. "One of the last things they do before they're intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I'm sorry, but it's too late." https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/doctor-reflects-covid-patients-i-m-sorry-it-s-too-n1274616 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcebwithu Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 16 hours ago, fforest said: Well these people should all get the vax then...They will not have to worry any more, the chances of them catching covid will be very remote....(I am sure they will even be giving the vax to kids soon).... Most contagious diseases seem to burn themself out over time....Some people just choose to roll the dice and take their chances.... Like this guy...... The same doofus in your Tik Tok clip is in the same demographic as what I highlighted in red below. He would in all probability be one of those using their last gasp of breath to plead for a vaccination to save him. “90% of what we are seeing hospitalized are unvaccinated,” says Dr. Lilian Abbo, an Infectious Disease Specialist at Jackson. “95% of the people we have in the ICU, critically ill, are unvaccinated. I reiterate the message that vaccines work, and the people that are vaccinated have antibodies that are protecting us from being critically ill, intubating and dying. That is the difference now and year ago.” Dr. Abbo points out these patients are not those who have co-morbidities or are elderly, and the long-term consequences can be dire. “We are seeing younger people, in their 20’s or 30’s, not many risk factors— not obese, not diabetic— coming in and very sick,” she says. “Some of them requiring potential lung transplants. So I really encourage everyone, young and old, to get vaccinated. This is no longer the disease of the very elderly or the nursing homes, this is affecting everyone regardless of race or age.” https://miami.cbslocal.com/2021/07/20/covid-south-florida-hospitalizations/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rhodie Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 10 hours ago, Krapow said: Cases are currently at worst levelling off, at best going down. Today's figures are near 10,000 less than this time last week, and been lower than before for a few days. Sure you can't look at just a few days in isolation, it could be 60,000 tomorrow, but it's glimmer of hope. Was it the jump for the Euros levelling off, was it as the Gov hope, the virus hitting the wall of immunity, was it a bit of both? The Politically motivated lefty professors and scientists like Deepti Gurdasani and her ilk, had the numbers far higher by now (i think they actually hope for that so they can continue to try and hammer the Tories that they despise), and no doubt the numbers will rise again when the full opening filters through. But will it be as high as some are predicting, i'm not so sure. If Boris can pull this off, hold his nerve against the politically motivated pressure, then he gets to do his dream, give a Churchillian speech to the Country like his hero did. Cases were going down up until 10 days ago. Down to 2.5 Mil a week. But that has changed and now at 3.6 Mil for the last 7 day period and rising by 10 to 15 percent. I suspect this is the Delta strain running rampant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krapow Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 6 hours ago, rhodie said: Cases were going down up until 10 days ago. Down to 2.5 Mil a week. But that has changed and now at 3.6 Mil for the last 7 day period and rising by 10 to 15 percent. I suspect this is the Delta strain running rampant. I was talking specifically about the UK , not the whole world, and last Thursday being the 15th, near 10,000 lower this Thursday - July 22 (GMT) Updates 39,906 new cases and 84 new deaths in the United Kingdom. July 21 Updates 43,907 new cases and 73 new deaths in the United Kingdom. July 20 Updates 46,127 new cases and 96 new deaths in the United Kingdom. July 19 Updates 39,375 new cases and 19 new deaths in the United Kingdom. July 18 Updates 47,646 new cases and 25 new deaths in the United Kingdom. July 17 Updates 54,205 new cases and 41 new deaths in the United Kingdom. July 16 Updates 51,311 new cases and 49 new deaths in the United Kingdom. July 15 Updates 47,932 new cases and 63 new deaths in the United Kingdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 23 minutes ago, Krapow said: I was talking specifically about the UK , not the whole world, and last Thursday being the 15th, near 10,000 lower this Thursday - July 22 (GMT) Updates 39,906 new cases and 84 new deaths in the United Kingdom. July 21 Updates 43,907 new cases and 73 new deaths in the United Kingdom. July 20 Updates 46,127 new cases and 96 new deaths in the United Kingdom. July 19 Updates 39,375 new cases and 19 new deaths in the United Kingdom. July 18 Updates 47,646 new cases and 25 new deaths in the United Kingdom. July 17 Updates 54,205 new cases and 41 new deaths in the United Kingdom. July 16 Updates 51,311 new cases and 49 new deaths in the United Kingdom. July 15 Updates 47,932 new cases and 63 new deaths in the United Kingdom. Going by those figures and all the hullabaloo we have had here from some about how great the UK has been getting the vaccine rolled out and how many they have vaccinated...well matching those figures against Thailand's.... ..you could say the Thais are matching them with less facilities and less doses of available vaccines. Seems to be a bit of smoke and mirrors coming out of the UK. cheers 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Krapow Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 41 minutes ago, roobob said: Going by those figures and all the hullabaloo we have had here from some about how great the UK has been getting the vaccine rolled out and how many they have vaccinated...well matching those figures against Thailand's.... ..you could say the Thais are matching them with less facilities and less doses of available vaccines. Seems to be a bit of smoke and mirrors coming out of the UK. cheers Currently infection numbers in the UK are about 4 or 5 times that of Thailand, with deaths about a half or a third of deaths in Thailand. Now take a wild guess why that you be? I have no idea what you're talking about, I suspect either do you. Cheers! 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 26 minutes ago, Nightcrawler said: Funny, but if only the establishment was not trying to force a medication on the antivaxxers they absolutely don't want, things would be instantly better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 19 minutes ago, fforest said: Funny, but if only the establishment was not trying to force a medication on the antivaxxers they absolutely don't want, things would be instantly better... In what way? Would they start volunteering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Nightcrawler said: In what way? Would they start volunteering? Probably start to die off in droves and halt the rapid spread of the disease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeb Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, fforest said: Funny, but if only the establishment was not trying to force a medication on the antivaxxers they absolutely don't want, things would be instantly better... Lets see how NOT being vaccinated works out in the next 12 months - In ICU, Intubation & Morgues. Plus the many others they take with them. Antivaxxers have a once in a lifetime opportunity to show commitment to what they sprout. Review set for one year. Edited July 23, 2021 by Zeb 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Krapow said: Currently infection numbers in the UK are about 4 or 5 times that of Thailand, with deaths about a half or a third of deaths in Thailand. Now take a wild guess why that you be? I have no idea what you're talking about, I suspect either do you. Cheers! You summed it up in in bold. The figures are similar yet the UK has more resources and by some the better health care. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobob Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zeb said: Lets see how NOT being vaccinated works out in the next 12 months - In ICU, Intubation & Morgues. Plus the many others they take with them. Antivaxxers have a once in a lifetime opportunity to show commitment to what they sprout. Review set for one year. Maybe one of the reasons some are holding off getting the vaccines is that they have seen the reaction effect it has had on some who have. Mainly the ones who have turned into zealot vaccine police demanding that vaccines should be compulsory for all. Could the vaccine unbalanced their brain to think that they are now superior to all others. Next you will probably see that those who do not get it should e tattooed. Maybe the vaccine zealots could offer an incentive to others to get the vaccine...offer up a soapbox for them to stand on and spruik after they do...555 cheers Edited July 23, 2021 by roobob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, Zeb said: Lets see how NOT being vaccinated works out in the next 12 months - In ICU, Intubation & Morgues. Yea well..... I haven't read a single post on twitter of antvaxer saying that they wish they had taken the jab.....Not one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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