COVID 19 GLOBAL

[Yessongs]

@lazarus @Kathmandu Well.....some good news for us who live in Cali huh? 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-now-nations-lowest-virus-231844047.html

[Stillearly]

[roobob]

1 hour ago, Krapow said:

Poppycock!

 

 

Why don't you stop being a drama queen...dear oh dear me...post in a bigger font and all in bold..... all can see your post.

Why not take a leaf out of Nightcrawler's book and conduct yourself and follow his example in this discussion like he has.

Your post...rubbish...absolutely rubbish.

cheers

Edited September 22, 2021 by roobob

[Nightcrawler]

38 minutes ago, roobob said:

Understand what you say and even though we disagree on most points I respect your view, 

On the other hand you say that anti vaxis are poorly educated but that could also say that about the ones who blindly lined up and got the jab without doing their own independent research as they were told too.

Too me...good and bad points on both sides.

cheers

Well, as a UK resident, and therefore my experiences are drawn from there, most people have faith in our NHS. It's not perfect but it's there for all, and they have a commitment to care for their customers (the public) 

I personally would probably be dead or dying now had it not been for the care and treatment that I have received by NHS. 

All correspondence on Covid comes to us directly from the NHS. The government may have made a few cock ups here and there regarding Covid immigration rules, and some lockdown procedures, but the NHS is at the sharp end. They have to pick up the pieces. 

I, and many others, I suspect, took up the vaccine initially because that they were in high risk groups. I was still recovering from Cancer treatment at the time. There was a high death rate in care homes too among the sick and elderly who had the choice of dying or getting vaccinated. Perhaps they were blind in their choice. 

There are many medical experts within the NHS and many Specialists in varying medical fields. 

We owe a great debt to NHS and their during the difficult times. 

I would take their advice over that from an antivaxer on Social media when it comes to my life and I think most others would do the same. 

Once the rest of society realised that vaccines were working, a very few had any major side effects, then that drove the desires for the younger age groups and so on. 

The UK vaccination program has been largely successful and we have very few few restrictions in place. Travel is beginning to open up. 

There are far more positives about the vaccines than there are negatives and we are all free to carry on with our daily lives. People are getting back work. 

[Kathmandu]

48 minutes ago, Yessongs said:

@lazarus @Kathmandu Well.....some good news for us who live in Cali huh? 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-now-nations-lowest-virus-231844047.html

Sure is good news and long may it last!

[Krapow]

1 hour ago, roobob said:

Why don't you stop being a drama queen...dear oh dear me...post in a bigger font and all in bold..... all can see your post.

Why not take a leaf out of Nightcrawler's book and conduct yourself and follow his example in this discussion like he has.

Your post...rubbish...absolutely rubbish.

cheers

That you actually think i typed that out, shows the level of intelligence we're dealing with here, while comically saying you do 'your own research'   Of course you do, you being an expert in vaccines, epidemiology and such a like.

I'll let you into a secret, i didn't write that, though it's absolutely true, your 'research' would consist of reading or finding something on the net to corroborate what you already want to believe, Nong down the market, or Shane round the concrete table over a few Changs.  Much like Lost in a Forest, who's life reality stems from a few crackpot conspiracy twitter feeds.

Nightcrawler basically takes pity on you, humours you, akin to people feeling sorry for the village idiot. That you can't even see that, again show the level of intelligence we're dealing with here.

Keep up the research, i look forward to reading it when it's been published in the Lancet!

 

[KhunDon]

https://glasgowfuneralhome.com/obituaries/patrick-burshia-age-34-of-poplar/

I took the opportunity to Google the name of the anti Vax guy in the Tweet video and it came up with this, as well as videos of the guy in Hosp telling people to get vaccinated. 

Spooky, as the guy In my link had the same name, lived in the same small town, and looked very much like the anti-vaxer, only problem is, he died In 2018!

fforest will now start dribbling and hitting the keyboard like a man possessed. 🤣

[Stillearly]

8 minutes ago, KhunDon said:

https://glasgowfuneralhome.com/obituaries/patrick-burshia-age-34-of-poplar/

I took the opportunity to Google the name of the anti Vax guy in the Tweet video and it came up with this, as well as videos of the guy in Hosp telling people to get vaccinated. 

Spooky, as the guy In my link had the same name, lived in the same small town, and looked very much like the anti-vaxer, only problem is, he died In 2018!

fforest will now start dribbling and hitting the keyboard like a man possessed. 🤣

Different age , lived 300 miles apart , don't look alike 555

if I google my name I come up as a black , American football player 😉 

[KhunDon]

9 minutes ago, Stillearly said:

Different age , lived 300 miles apart , don't look alike 555

if I google my name I come up as a black , American football player 😉 

Awe, you spoiled my cunning plan mate. ☹️

I purposely didn’t say anything about age, as we all know, FF doesn’t bother with facts.
I posted it in the hope he had many sleepless nights, trying to weave an intricate conspiracy theory around 2 men with the same name, in the same country, dying 3 years apart. 🤣

[Stillearly]

[Glasseye]

5 hours ago, Stillearly said:

 

Friggin hilarious !

[fforest]

 

[fygjam]

5 hours ago, Krapow said:

Keep up the research, i look forward to reading it when it's been published in the Lancet!

It has to be peer reviewed before it gets published. Perhaps you could volunteer to do the review.

He could publish it in the American Journal of Therapeutics, they publish shit from anyone, even the Ivermectin pushers.

 

 

[fygjam]

8 hours ago, roobob said:

People who have not had the jab do not stay at home every day hiding behind their sofa... they are out and about...shopping..exercising ... working ...socialising....

... spreading the virus, infecting others, desecrating memorials...

 

 

[fygjam]

12 hours ago, roobob said:

People who have not had the jab do not stay at home every day hiding behind their sofa... they are out and about...shopping..exercising ... working ...socialising.... much like the vaccinated crowd.

Except the vaccinated crowd aren't spitting on nurses or urinating in public...

Fresh revelations about the disturbing behaviour of demonstrators, who include a ragtag
mix of construction workers, anti-vaxxers, lockdown opponents and conspiracy
theorists, continue to spark outrage.

Following condemnation of the mob’s “desecration” of the hallowed Shrine of
Remembrance, it has now emerged that health workers were subjected to physical and
verbal abuse.

The Victorian Premier said staff at a pop-up vaccination clinic at Town Hall, designed to
provide jabs to vulnerable members of the community, including homeless people, were
targeted by thugs.

Some of the workers, which include nurses, were spat at by protesters, it’s been
revealed.

Anti-lockdown protesters urinated on the walls of Melbourne’s Shrine of Remembrance
in a protest Prime Minister Scott Morrison has described as shameful.

Shrine of Remembrance chief executive Dean Lee has revealed the disgusting act left
him shocked and cleaning up the aftermath, which also included littered beer cans and
broken glass strewn across the sacred building.

“Obviously, there was a lot of broken glass. There has been urination on the walls of the
memorial, which is disgusting,” Mr Lee said.

“There was rubbish strewn everywhere. Thankfully, no permanent damage. The reality
is we‘ve got the shrine clean first thing this morning. We are as we should be, a quiet,
peaceful place of reflection to the honoured memory of our service men and women.”

[Bazle]

7 hours ago, fygjam said:

He could publish it in the American Journal of Therapeutics, they publish shit from anyone, even the Ivermectin pushers.

You shouldn't conflate Ivermectin with anti-vax nonsense. Take a look at how India has got on top of Covid, even with a relatively low vaccination rate. This video should help: 

 

[Butch]

18 hours ago, roobob said:

Understand what you say and even though we disagree on most points I respect your view, 

On the other hand you say that anti vaxis are poorly educated but that could also say that about the ones who blindly lined up and got the jab without doing their own independent research as they were told too.

Too me...good and bad points on both sides.

cheers

In the same way I happily walk onto an aircraft knowing nothing about how to fly it, only that in some very rare instances they have the ability to crash.

I use my judgement that someone more qualified than I am is in charge. To question it to the contrary indicates a poor understanding or knowledge of the requirements needed to qualify as a pilot, or, in the case of anti vaxxers, perhaps as a scientist involved in manufacturing and testing the vaccines.

[fygjam]

 

[coxyhog]

[coxyhog]

1 hour ago, Butch said:

got the jab without doing their own independent research

Not sure what sort of independent research one can do....I don't have access to a lab & even if I did I wouldn't have a clue about what to do.I guess you mean trawling the web & trying to sort fact from fiction.

I think I'd rather leave that to the scientists & doctors who are properly qualified.

[Nightcrawler]

18 minutes ago, coxyhog said:

Not sure what sort of independent research one can do....I don't have access to a lab & even if I did I wouldn't have a clue about what to do.I guess you mean trawling the web & trying to sort fact from fiction.

I think I'd rather leave that to the scientists & doctors who are properly qualified.

I have a home chemistry set which was bought for me as a child 😊 A daily concoction of Magnesium Sulphate and Iron Filings sets me up for the day

I think that what is meant by research, is examining the evidence produced by qualified  experts in the field of virology and medical science with an independent view. At least that's how I do my research. I follow the science rather than the politics where possible 

[fygjam]

4 hours ago, Bazle said:

You shouldn't conflate Ivermectin with anti-vax nonsense. Take a look at how India has got on top of Covid, even with a relatively low vaccination rate. This video should help: 

 

Why can't John Campbell reference any of those gold standard randomized double blind placebo control (RDBPC) studies published in reputable journals like The Lancet, The British Medical Journal, The New England Journal of Medicine, The Journal of the American Medical Association, Cell etc demonstrating the therapeutic benefits of ivermectin against Covid-19?

(a) Because big pharma destroyed all copies and disappeared the researchers.

(b) Because there aren't any such studies.

While Campbell probably didn't do much virology or pharmacology while getting his PhD at the School of Sport, Exercise and Rehabilitation Sciences at the University of Birmingham UK, that other Campbell, William C - discoverer of the anti-parasitic uses of Ivermectin, acknowledges his lack of expertise in the field of virology. He did however say "the probability of ivermectin (in its current form) being used safely to kill the virus in people must be considered low".

No proof ivermectin and hydroxy ‘regime’ led to COVID decline in India

https://www.aap.com.au/no-proof-ivermectin-and-hydroxy-regime-led-to-covid-decline-in-india/

Ivermectin is a wonder drug but not for COVID — and misinformation is causing a shortage

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ivermectin-shortage-1.6158777

Ivermectin Doesn’t Work For Covid-19, But Online Reviews Spread Misinformation

https://www.forbes.com/sites/debgordon/2021/09/15/ivermectin-doesnt-work-for-covid-19-but-online-reviews-spread-misinformation/

No data available to suggest a link between India’s reduction of COVID-19 cases and the use of ivermectin

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/no-data-available-to-suggest-a-link-between-indias-reduction-of-covid-19-cases-and-the-use-of-ivermectin-jim-hoft-gateway-pundit/

Fact check: No link between India's falling COVID-19 cases and hydroxychloroquine

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/05/21/fact-check-india-covid-19-cases-hydroxychloroquine-not-related/5173021001/

 

 

 

Why don't one of you ivermectin fanbois tell us how ivermectin is supposed to work?

We know how MABs (monoclonal antibodies) work, same as natural antibodies.

We know how antivirals like Molnupiravir (a nucleoside analogue) work, interfere with viral genome replication.

We know how steroids work by reducing inflammation.

 

Do a bit of that research shit and find out how it works and let us know.

 

 

[Butch]

This is a fairly comprehensive study on the efficacy of Ivermectin, with comparisons and results.

Cochrane Library is also a reliable and respected source.

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub2/full

 

[lazarus]

31 minutes ago, Butch said:

This is a fairly comprehensive study on the efficacy of Ivermectin, with comparisons and results.

Cochrane Library is also a reliable and respected source.

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub2/full

 

All anybody needs to know:

Authors' conclusions
Based on the current very low‐ to low‐certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat or prevent COVID‐19. The completed studies are small and few are considered high quality. Several studies are underway that may produce clearer answers in review updates. Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use of ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID‐19 outside of well‐designed randomized trials.

[roobob]

2 hours ago, Butch said:

In the same way I happily walk onto an aircraft knowing nothing about how to fly it, only that in some very rare instances they have the ability to crash.

I use my judgement that someone more qualified than I am is in charge. To question it to the contrary indicates a poor understanding or knowledge of the requirements needed to qualify as a pilot, or, in the case of anti vaxxers, perhaps as a scientist involved in manufacturing and testing the vaccines.

Relating to a person who is qualified to flying a plane is really clutching at straws to get some vague point across about some people who want to wait to take the covid vaccine or not take it at all..

If you were up to date on things.... there are qualified people ...even scientists.... even some who have even worked for WHO... have said that at present to hold off taking the vaccine.

cheers